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PrintableEvilWhiteMale said: Neversin said: While supporting something that's equally or even more bullshit: Satanism... Neversin. Do you have any understanding about the Satanic philosophy or are you just prejudging it? I have an understanding of it, and I agree with Neversin. 
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OdysseyMiles said: EvilWhiteMale said: Do you have any understanding about the Satanic philosophy or are you just prejudging it? I have an understanding of it, and I agree with Neversin.
Anton LaVey is not someone I've ever taken seriously. So you disagree with the 9 Satanic Statements? "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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I don't know what any of it means really but I share my birthday with him ... 7th June... ( how chuffed was I as a 13yr old when I found that out all those years ago!!!  ) ... sooo ... I dunno ... like ... whatever...Prince is a bit too religous for me to be anything like him because I hate religion.
Why are we talking about 'satan' in here? ... yeah i used to like Deicide, Morbid Angel and Slayer etc but like Prince's message about 'god' I never got into any of that 'satan' business either. | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: OdysseyMiles said: I have an understanding of it, and I agree with Neversin.
Anton LaVey is not someone I've ever taken seriously. So you disagree with the 9 Satanic Statements? The 9 Satanic Statements seem like a nice little ironic joke. Mostly, they try to counter the principals of Christ-like selflessness with selfishness. It's as though LaVey was trying purposely to go the opposite way as Christianity in order to prove a point or get under people's skin. I am curious as to what his intentions were as far as really helping people to live better, happier lives. I'd love to know what his definition of "undefiled wisdom" is too. #8 is pretty silly though you gotta admit: 8)Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification! That just smacks of provocation, dude.  | |
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OdysseyMiles said: EvilWhiteMale said: So you disagree with the 9 Satanic Statements? The 9 Satanic Statements seem like a nice little ironic joke. Mostly, they try to counter the principals of Christ-like selflessness with selfishness. It's as though LaVey was trying purposely to go the opposite way as Christianity in order to prove a point or get under people's skin. I am curious as to what his intentions were as far as really helping people to live better, happier lives. I'd love to know what his definition of "undefiled wisdom" is too. #8 is pretty silly though you gotta admit: 8)Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification! That just smacks of provocation, dude. Many of the things we do are considered sinful according to the Bible, but we do them anyway because most of us don't live by the Bible. We do what we like because it feels natural and we enjoy it. That's all LaVey was trying to point out. Religions were created to control people in some manner and Satanism is more about living freely, yet responsibly. The basic principles of Satanism make a lot of sense. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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EvilWhiteMale said: OdysseyMiles said: The 9 Satanic Statements seem like a nice little ironic joke. Mostly, they try to counter the principals of Christ-like selflessness with selfishness. It's as though LaVey was trying purposely to go the opposite way as Christianity in order to prove a point or get under people's skin. I am curious as to what his intentions were as far as really helping people to live better, happier lives. I'd love to know what his definition of "undefiled wisdom" is too. #8 is pretty silly though you gotta admit: 8)Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification! That just smacks of provocation, dude. Many of the things we do are considered sinful according to the Bible, but we do them anyway because most of us don't live by the Bible. We do what we like because it feels natural and we enjoy it. That's all LaVey was trying to point out. Religions were created to control people in some manner and Satanism is more about living freely, yet responsibly. The basic principles of Satanism make a lot of sense. I definitely see your point, but there's a difference between 1)following what the bible says because someone told you so and they're trying to control you and 2) following what the bible says because you yourself see it as a protection. I believe that many people who have "faith" have all sorts of different intentions. We can't generalize and say that all who practice some sort of religion are being controlled. At least I don't feel that way. Even as a kid I worshipped Jehovah because I wanted to. If I left my faith, it would be because I wanted to. I wonder if these 9 Satanic principals are actually a reflection of the power that some individuals' desires have over them, rather than a display of freedom or vitality. 
You feel me? Like, "dude, I know I can't help myself here, but it's my own gratification that matters." If you agree that we're all imperfect humans, than surely you can understand that just because we have an impulse to do or say something doesn't necessarily make it a good idea. Here's a brief example to think about: Let's say I wanna have a dinner party and I want to invite a guy that I know has just overcome a drinking problem. Should I serve alcohol at the party? Should I call him and ask him if it's o.k.? SHould I say "Forget it, I'm not invitin' that cat!" Or should I go, "Well, maybe I can go without brew or wine tonight, it's no big deal. I want my friend to be comfortable." What would a Satanist do in that situation? [Edited 2/23/05 14:37pm] | |
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OdysseyMiles said: I definitely see your point, but there's a difference between 1)following what the bible says because someone told you so and they're trying to control you and 2) following what the bible says because you yourself see it as a protection. I believe that many people who have "faith" have all sorts of different intentions. We can't generalize and say that all who practice some sort of religion are being controlled. At least I don't feel that way. Even as a kid I worshipped Jehovah because I wanted to. If I left my faith, it would be because I wanted to. I wonder if these 9 Satanic principals are actually a reflection of the power that some individuals' desires have over them, rather than a display of freedom or vitality.
You feel me? Like, "dude, I know I can't help myself here, but it's my own gratification that matters." If you agree that we're all imperfect humans, than surely you can understand that just because we have an impulse to do or say something doesn't necessarily make it a good idea. Here's a brief example to think about: Let's say I wanna have a dinner party and I want to invite a guy that I know has just overcome a drinking problem. Should I serve alcohol at the party? Should I call him and ask him if it's o.k.? SHould I say "Forget it, I'm not invitin' that cat!" Or should I go, "Well, maybe I can go without brew or wine tonight, it's no big deal. I want my friend to be comfortable." What would a Satanist do in that situation?] I think a Satanist would serve alcohol and expect the ex-alcoholic to be strong and resist giving in to his weakness. He would probably tell him beforehand that there will be alcohol and he will need to keep his ass in check. If the guy gives in then he deserves no sympathy. And if he gets drunk and acts like an asshole, then he would be asked to leave. If the majority of people want to drink, then they should be able to drink. No reason for one person to take away from the rest. If the group agrees that having alcohol would be a bad idea and decide they all don't want it, then that's a different story. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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EvilWhiteMale said: OdysseyMiles said: I definitely see your point, but there's a difference between 1)following what the bible says because someone told you so and they're trying to control you and 2) following what the bible says because you yourself see it as a protection. I believe that many people who have "faith" have all sorts of different intentions. We can't generalize and say that all who practice some sort of religion are being controlled. At least I don't feel that way. Even as a kid I worshipped Jehovah because I wanted to. If I left my faith, it would be because I wanted to. I wonder if these 9 Satanic principals are actually a reflection of the power that some individuals' desires have over them, rather than a display of freedom or vitality.
You feel me? Like, "dude, I know I can't help myself here, but it's my own gratification that matters." If you agree that we're all imperfect humans, than surely you can understand that just because we have an impulse to do or say something doesn't necessarily make it a good idea. Here's a brief example to think about: Let's say I wanna have a dinner party and I want to invite a guy that I know has just overcome a drinking problem. Should I serve alcohol at the party? Should I call him and ask him if it's o.k.? SHould I say "Forget it, I'm not invitin' that cat!" Or should I go, "Well, maybe I can go without brew or wine tonight, it's no big deal. I want my friend to be comfortable." What would a Satanist do in that situation?] I think a Satanist would serve alcohol and expect the ex-alcoholic to be strong and resist giving in to his weakness. He would probably tell him beforehand that there will be alcohol and he will need to keep his ass in check. If the guy gives in then he deserves no sympathy. And if he gets drunk and acts like an asshole, then he would be asked to leave. If the majority of people want to drink, then they should be able to drink. No reason for one person to take away from the rest. I see. Keep in mind that it is your party, and maybe you really like the dude and you want him to be able to socialize a bit. You would still put that situation in front of him and expect him to just "shut his hole and keep it together"? Not sayin' that's an evil thing to do, just getting an idea of these pricipals. EvilWhiteMale said: If the group agrees that having alcohol would be a bad idea and decide they all don't want it, then that's a different story.
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EvilWhiteMale said: Neversin said: While supporting something that's equally or even more bullshit: Satanism... Neversin. Do you have any understanding about the Satanic philosophy or are you just prejudging it? I have an understanding of that lame bullshit (unlike most people here I read and don't bash these kind of things just to bash it...) Satanic Philosophy is as pretentious and crap like every other "religious" (man-made) philosophy... Just because you find it inspiring or whatever doesn't mean it's not equally distorted like, say, Astrology... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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EvilWhiteMale said: So you disagree with the 9 Satanic Statements?
Those rather obvious statements are just pathetic considering humans have a brain, so labeling these statements as satanic makes 'em just as pretentious as any other "rule" by any other religious philosophy and means true freedom is out the door yet again, true freedom means no rules to abide to instead of abiding to rules that just counterreacts to already set rules just to be opposite... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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EvilWhiteMale said: The basic principles of Satanism make a lot of sense.
No it doesn't... Satanism is based on rules set for specific actions... For example one of the lamest of all: "Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!" There are numerous situations that don't require "vengeance" but just common sense that will make you do what you think as right, be it turning the other cheek, be it vengeance or be it something else... Unlike you I don't automatically choose "vengeance" just because it's one of the rules of Satanism, I'd rather think for myself instead of trying to appease some rulebook... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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Neversin said: EvilWhiteMale said: The basic principles of Satanism make a lot of sense.
No it doesn't... Satanism is based on rules set for specific actions... For example one of the lamest of all: "Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!" There are numerous situations that don't require "vengeance" but just common sense that will make you do what you think as right, be it turning the other cheek, be it vengeance or be it something else... Unlike you I don't automatically choose "vengeance" just because it's one of the rules of Satanism, I'd rather think for myself instead of trying to appease some rulebook... Neversin. Well, it seems to me that Satan kind of made his own rules, as he went along... | |
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alright folks, ya'll have taken this waaaaay off-topic...i'm tempted to move this over to p & r now. | |
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Heiress said: Well, it seems to me that Satan kind of made his own rules, as he went along...
And it seems to me that these rules were made up by some guy A: with too much time on his hands... B: who just wanted to be opposite... C: who'd rather live by rules than to be free... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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Neversin said: EvilWhiteMale said: Do you have any understanding about the Satanic philosophy or are you just prejudging it? I have an understanding of that lame bullshit (unlike most people here I read and don't bash these kind of things just to bash it...) Satanic Philosophy is as pretentious and crap like every other "religious" (man-made) philosophy... Just because you find it inspiring or whatever doesn't mean it's not equally distorted like, say, Astrology... Neversin. Astrology is about fairy tales and bogus science. Satanism is more about reality. . [Edited 2/24/05 19:26pm] "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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Neversin said: EvilWhiteMale said: So you disagree with the 9 Satanic Statements?
Those rather obvious statements are just pathetic considering humans have a brain, so labeling these statements as satanic makes 'em just as pretentious as any other "rule" by any other religious philosophy and means true freedom is out the door yet again, true freedom means no rules to abide to instead of abiding to rules that just counterreacts to already set rules just to be opposite... Neversin. The statements just represent what people already feel. It promotes more free thinking and behaving. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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Neversin said: EvilWhiteMale said: The basic principles of Satanism make a lot of sense.
No it doesn't... Satanism is based on rules set for specific actions... For example one of the lamest of all: "Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!" There are numerous situations that don't require "vengeance" but just common sense that will make you do what you think as right, be it turning the other cheek, be it vengeance or be it something else... Unlike you I don't automatically choose "vengeance" just because it's one of the rules of Satanism, I'd rather think for myself instead of trying to appease some rulebook... Neversin. The vengeance statement makes perfect sense. It's something that needs to be practiced more because too many people get over in this world, being assholes. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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Heiress said: Neversin said: No it doesn't... Satanism is based on rules set for specific actions... For example one of the lamest of all: "Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!" There are numerous situations that don't require "vengeance" but just common sense that will make you do what you think as right, be it turning the other cheek, be it vengeance or be it something else... Unlike you I don't automatically choose "vengeance" just because it's one of the rules of Satanism, I'd rather think for myself instead of trying to appease some rulebook... Neversin. Well, it seems to me that Satan kind of made his own rules, as he went along... Satan is nothing more than nature. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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ehuffnsd said: i dated a gemini on and off for 5 years. NEVER WOULD DO IT AGAIN!!
I feel your pain.I'm a Gemini musician and I'm very high maintanence when it comes to relationships.My music is my 1st love and I get bored very easily.Usually I do get along with other Gemini's so me and P could probably hang for a minute. larry luvlife
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Im a Scorpio...Ive been with and still amd with a Gemini...all ive gotta say is woooo booooy.        &  | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: Neversin said: Those rather obvious statements are just pathetic considering humans have a brain, so labeling these statements as satanic makes 'em just as pretentious as any other "rule" by any other religious philosophy and means true freedom is out the door yet again, true freedom means no rules to abide to instead of abiding to rules that just counterreacts to already set rules just to be opposite... Neversin. The statements just represent what people already feel. It promotes more free thinking and behaving. It promotes an alternative way of dealing with things, nothing more, they're just another set of rules... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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EvilWhiteMale said: Neversin said: No it doesn't... Satanism is based on rules set for specific actions... For example one of the lamest of all: "Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!" There are numerous situations that don't require "vengeance" but just common sense that will make you do what you think as right, be it turning the other cheek, be it vengeance or be it something else... Unlike you I don't automatically choose "vengeance" just because it's one of the rules of Satanism, I'd rather think for myself instead of trying to appease some rulebook... Neversin. The vengeance statement makes perfect sense. It's something that needs to be practiced more because too many people get over in this world, being assholes. It makes no sense whatsoever... By your logic everything should be avenged and eventually it would never stop... Who would avenge who for how long? Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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EvilWhiteMale said: Heiress said: Well, it seems to me that Satan kind of made his own rules, as he went along... Satan is nothing more than nature. Satan is just another label conjured up by ignorant religions... It doesn't represent shit... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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since this has totally gone off-topic... | |
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