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What's so hateful about the Rainbow Children lyrics? I've seen a lot of ppl say The Rainbow Children lyrics are discriminatory or hateful, but I've never gotten that.
What's so hateful or wrong with them? I'm agnostic, but I don't see anything particularly offensive about them. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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PurpleKnight said: I'm agnostic, but I don't see anything particularly offensive about them.
Well there's the reason for your misunderstanding right there. TRC was chock full of religious lyrics. Lovesexy Funkateer | |
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But I was raised a JW, so it's not like I don't understand everything on the album. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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PurpleKnight said: But I was raised a JW, so it's not like I don't understand everything on the album.
 Then ya got me.
The only reason I took offense to TRC was because lyrics were condoning a religion. Can't speak for anybody else. Lovesexy Funkateer | |
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i dint really find much too hateful on the wrekkid...
i dug it..i kinda jus grooved 2 the music and only listened to a few of the lyrics that i thought were really thought provoking i had no bad bones about it  | |
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The only thing I don't like is that theocratic order stuff. I thought that was moreso primitive than hateful though.
Apparently, on the Kevin Smith DVD, one guy thought it was racist against white ppl. WTF? "It's time to come together, come together as one" is racist? The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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There's a lot of talk against the devil.
Very hateful and discriminatory words against the devil. | |
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Were should I start?
"The Wise One who understood the law that was handed down from God long ago reflected the true meaning 2 his woman every day and she surrendered her discerning of it in2 his care and keeping 4 she trusted he would lead in the right way. Her children in subjection 2 her, she subjected 2 the Wise One, and the Wise One in subjection 2 the only begotten one, all - 4ever in subjection 2 God" hmmmm let me get this straight...the woman cant interpret God's word for herself. She must "surrender" it to her man...the children are subjected to her and she to her man and the man to god...Does this sound like the Prince you grew up with???? "Holocaust aside, many lived and died But when all truth is told Would u rather b dead or b sold? " What is this supposed to mean...my people suffered worse than yours?...what are we talking about here..compartive atrocities??? whats the point??? "Sold 2 the one who can now mate the displaced bloodline with the white jailbait." Huh?.... "Every time I watch the other people news "... Other people's news??? is this the opposite of YOU people??? "There's a theocratic order now This is how it's gonna b If u wanna b with me Ain't no room 4 disagree " Interesting....so we're gonna switch one oppressor for another? The Taliban was a theocracy..they also have one in Iran...its not pretty. "room 4 disagree" is one of the few things that make this country great "First of all, the term "black and white" is a fallacy. It simply is another way of saying "this or that". Let's examine the term "this or that" in its ultimate form which is: "this" means the truth or "that which is resistant 2 it. When a minority realizes its similarities on a higher level- not just "black"- but PEOPLE OF COLOR, and higher still "INDIGENOUS", and even higher still, "FROM THE TRIBE OF.", and yet higher- the "RAINBOW CHILDREN". When this understanding comes, the so-called minority becomes a majority in the wink of an eye. This action will cause a Reaction or Resistance. The source of this Resistance must b banished as it is in direct conflict with the initial action. It cannot be assimilated, 4 its very nature is resistance. In other words, ONE CANNOT SERVE 2 MASTERS. U r either "this" or "that" which is not "this". " So if all the "Rainbow Children" become a majority then who is left to be the "minority"? Who exactly is being "banished" here? You are either with us or against us?....compare with the message of LoveSexy, PartyUp etc... Those are the most obvious examples but the whole thing reeks of moral superiority and condemnation of that which he doesnt agree with.... [Edited 2/8/05 18:09pm] | |
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emesem said: Were should I start?
"The Wise One who understood the law that was handed down from God long ago reflected the true meaning 2 his woman every day and she surrendered her discerning of it in2 his care and keeping 4 she trusted he would lead in the right way. Her children in subjection 2 her, she subjected 2 the Wise One, and the Wise One in subjection 2 the only begotten one, all - 4ever in subjection 2 God" hmmmm let me get this straight...the woman cant interpret God's word for herself. She must "surrender" it to her man...the children are subjected to her and she to her man and the man to god...Does this sound like the Prince you grew up with???? "Holocaust aside, many lived and died But when all truth is told Would u rather b dead or b sold? " What is this supposed to mean...my people suffered worse than yours?...what are we talking about here..compartive atrocities??? whats the point??? "Sold 2 the one who can now mate the displaced bloodline with the white jailbait." Huh?.... "Every time I watch the other people news "... Other people's news??? is this the opposite of YOU people??? "There's a theocratic order now This is how it's gonna b If u wanna b with me Ain't no room 4 disagree " Interesting....so we're gonna switch one oppressor for another? The Taliban was a theocracy..they also have one in Iran...its not pretty. "room 4 disagree" is one of the few things that make this country great "First of all, the term "black and white" is a fallacy. It simply is another way of saying "this or that". Let's examine the term "this or that" in its ultimate form which is: "this" means the truth or "that which is resistant 2 it. When a minority realizes its similarities on a higher level- not just "black"- but PEOPLE OF COLOR, and higher still "INDIGENOUS", and even higher still, "FROM THE TRIBE OF.", and yet higher- the "RAINBOW CHILDREN". When this understanding comes, the so-called minority becomes a majority in the wink of an eye. This action will cause a Reaction or Resistance. The source of this Resistance must b banished as it is in direct conflict with the initial action. It cannot be assimilated, 4 its very nature is resistance. In other words, ONE CANNOT SERVE 2 MASTERS. U r either "this" or "that" which is not "this". " So if all the "Rainbow Children" become a majority then who is left to be the "minority"? Who exactly is being "banished" here? You are either with us or against us?....compare with the message of LoveSexy, PartyUp etc... Those are the most obvious examples but the whole thing reeks of moral superiority and condemnation of that which he doesnt agree with.... [Edited 2/8/05 18:09pm] You got some good points there. Also in "Family Name", the names that he gives to the "bad guys" are very "Jewish" sounding - Pearlman, Lynch, Rosenbloom and Goldstruck (which sounds like a reference to Goldstein or Goldburg) ??? Anyway, I still think the album is great. I don't read too much into the lyrics - after all, the final song preaches how we should "come together as one", so maybe all the songs before that are part of his journey towards that goal. Toejam @ Peach & Black Podcast: http://peachandblack.podbean.com
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toejam said: You got some good points there. Also in "Family Name", the names that he gives to the "bad guys" are very "Jewish" sounding - Pearlman, Lynch, Rosenbloom and Goldstruck (which sounds like a reference to Goldstein or Goldburg) ??? Anyway, I still think the album is great. I don't read too much into the lyrics - after all, the final song preaches how we should "come together as one", so maybe all the songs before that are part of his journey towards that goal. Goldstruck is real name....(in fact one of Aristas executives at the time of Rave was Goldstuck..hmmm) THe MLK quote and the "come together as one" thing is the most hypocritical thing on the album...yes he wants us to "come together" but as in "come together under my literalist, JW interpretation of the bible theocracy where everyone agrees with me and therefore there are no conflicts".....[quote] [Edited 2/8/05 18:27pm] [Edited 2/8/05 18:27pm] [Edited 2/8/05 18:28pm] | |
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hmmmm let me get this straight...the woman cant interpret God's word for herself. She must "surrender" it to her man...the children are subjected to her and she to her man and the man to god...Does this sound like the Prince you grew up with????
I dont think he means that women arent smart enough to distinguish right or wrong. here he is merely relaying the Adam and Eve account were the devil went after eve first not beacuse she inferior but because she was "younger" less experience being on earth thatn the man. What is this supposed to mean...my people suffered worse than yours?...what are we talking about here..compartive atrocities??? whats the point???
I think what hes trying to say here is that at least you can trace your lineage to a peice of land which is something that many blacks in america wish they could do. but all in allit is just him acknowledging the struggles of his own people not dissrespecting others. "Sold 2 the one who can now mate the displaced bloodline with the white jailbait."
Personally I think that hes means this in a cultural sense. THe way urban styles in music and dress and otherwise have been intertwined to create the american culture "Every time I watch the other people news "...
I think you are knitpicking on this one. THe other people are simply the Big Media Machine. "There's a theocratic order now
This is how it's gonna b If u wanna b with me Ain't no room 4 disagree " He is talking about theocratic order in the biblical sense. THe Early Irsealites were a true theocracy ruled by God. And he is also playing onthe number three in the bible. Jah, Jesus, Holy Spirit....and so on. "First of all, the term "black and white" is a fallacy. It simply is another way of saying "this or that". Let's examine the term "this or that" in its ultimate form which is: "this" means the truth or "that which is resistant 2 it. When a minority realizes its similarities on a higher level- not just "black"- but PEOPLE OF COLOR, and higher still "INDIGENOUS", and even higher still, "FROM THE TRIBE OF.", and yet higher- the "RAINBOW CHILDREN". When this understanding comes, the so-called minority becomes a majority in the wink of an eye. This action will cause a Reaction or Resistance. The source of this Resistance must b banished as it is in direct conflict with the initial action. It cannot be assimilated, 4 its very nature is resistance. In other words, ONE CANNOT SERVE 2 MASTERS. U r either "this" or "that" which is not "this". "
A Human is a human. though we differ cosmetically. our differences a simply cultural. when we step out of that box and realize we are all god's children, then we all become a righteous majority. TRC has trick metaphor in it some of which i really dont fully get, but I dont really think its hateful. Musically its his best in years. Lyrics are challenging which is ok. But its stilla master work just like Lovesexy,Signothetimes, dirty mind and so on "Thinking like the Keys on Prince's piano, we'll be just fine" | |
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Soulchild82 said: its stilla master work just like Lovesexy,Signothetimes, dirty mind and so on
I wouldn't go that far. Lovesexy Funkateer | |
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LovesexyIsThe1 said: Soulchild82 said: its stilla master work just like Lovesexy,Signothetimes, dirty mind and so on
I wouldn't go that far. Well, I would. And I would go so far as to say it's the best thing he's done this century. I'd also like to see him top it...this century. |
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TheBigBang said: LovesexyIsThe1 said: I wouldn't go that far. Well, I would. And I would go so far as to say it's the best thing he's done this century. I'd also like to see him top it...this century. I fully agree with you. I think he got his musical mojo back on this. He did what art is supposed to do-- make you think. Some people will not like it, some will. Hell, some people may hate it to high heaven, but we're here still talking about it years later. I felt this is one of his best albums. | |
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musicman said: TheBigBang said: Well, I would. And I would go so far as to say it's the best thing he's done this century. I'd also like to see him top it...this century. I fully agree with you. I think he got his musical mojo back on this. He did what art is supposed to do-- make you think. Some people will not like it, some will. Hell, some people may hate it to high heaven, but we're here still talking about it years later. I felt this is one of his best albums. I agree again. A wonderful piece of work. My favourite album. I can obviously see where the inferences come from but does it actually refer to the JW religion directly. I know it's inferred but the "Rainbow Children" are fiction. Also, others have mentioned that some of the lyrics might be related to the Mayte split and Manuella relationship ASWELL as drawing on his new found beliefs. Isn't it all just a though-provoking story not to be taken too literally? Religion is at the forefront, but as with Lovesexy GOD is the word used not Jehovah. | |
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TheBigBang said: LovesexyIsThe1 said: I wouldn't go that far. Well, I would. And I would go so far as to say it's the best thing he's done this century. I'd also like to see him top it...this century. He's come full-circle from "Controversy" on TRC. It's the end of a spiritual journey. Yes, I'm very eager to hear what he'll come up with next as a spiritual statement, after the nostalgia-laden "Musicology." | |
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Then it truly boils down to personal taste.
As good as TRC is, I wouldn't put it in my top 10 Prince albums. The only true gems on TRC are: The Sensual Everafter I don't care for instrumentals, but this is the best one he's done since Alexa De Paris. Last December Some of his best recorded guitar work, great vocals, and theme. The only downside is the suspicious absence of the holy spirit. I guess that was explained in the previous song before. Where as Lovesexy was SOLID all the way through. Lovesexy Funkateer | |
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LovesexyIsThe1 said: Then it truly boils down to personal taste.
As good as TRC is, I wouldn't put it in my top 10 Prince albums. The only true gems on TRC are: The Sensual Everafter I don't care for instrumentals, but this is the best one he's done since Alexa De Paris. Last December Some of his best recorded guitar work, great vocals, and theme. The only downside is the suspicious absence of the holy spirit. I guess that was explained in the previous song before. What's so suspicious about it? The emphasis was put on the father and the Son. It's quite simple, really. Dude couldn't find anything to rhyme with Holy Spirit,  . I'm sure he recognizes God's active force, though not in a Trinitarian way.
LovesexyIsThe1 said: Where as Lovesexy was SOLID all the way
through. I believe TRC is much more thematically and musically cohesive. [Edited 2/9/05 10:30am] | |
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emesem said: "First of all, the term "black and white" is a fallacy. It simply is another way of saying "this or that". Let's examine the term "this or that" in its ultimate form which is: "this" means the truth or "that which is resistant 2 it. When a minority realizes its similarities on a higher level- not just "black"- but PEOPLE OF COLOR, and higher still "INDIGENOUS", and even higher still, "FROM THE TRIBE OF.", and yet higher- the "RAINBOW CHILDREN". When this understanding comes, the so-called minority becomes a majority in the wink of an eye. This action will cause a Reaction or Resistance. The source of this Resistance must b banished as it is in direct conflict with the initial action. It cannot be assimilated, 4 its very nature is resistance. In other words, ONE CANNOT SERVE 2 MASTERS. U r either "this" or "that" which is not "this". " I often wondered how other people interpreted/understand (stood under  ) that part of the song.
Prince speaks a lot on this album, and when he does, it's usually a diatribe he's giving with little explicit reference to what exactly it is he is trying to convey - the above could be taken in any number of ways. Don't worry, I can't get pregnant - my ovaries are diseased...... | |
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MetroArea said: emesem said: "First of all, the term "black and white" is a fallacy. It simply is another way of saying "this or that". Let's examine the term "this or that" in its ultimate form which is: "this" means the truth or "that which is resistant 2 it. When a minority realizes its similarities on a higher level- not just "black"- but PEOPLE OF COLOR, and higher still "INDIGENOUS", and even higher still, "FROM THE TRIBE OF.", and yet higher- the "RAINBOW CHILDREN". When this understanding comes, the so-called minority becomes a majority in the wink of an eye. This action will cause a Reaction or Resistance. The source of this Resistance must b banished as it is in direct conflict with the initial action. It cannot be assimilated, 4 its very nature is resistance. In other words, ONE CANNOT SERVE 2 MASTERS. U r either "this" or "that" which is not "this". " I often wondered how other people interpreted/understand (stood under ) that part of the song.
Prince speaks a lot on this album, and when he does, it's usually a diatribe he's giving with little explicit reference to what exactly it is he is trying to convey - the above could be taken in any number of ways. Right, and it's a shame that some people insist on taking these words in a negative way rather than opening their minds to other possibilities. | |
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emesem said: Were should I start?
"The Wise One who understood the law that was handed down from God long ago reflected the true meaning 2 his woman every day and she surrendered her discerning of it in2 his care and keeping 4 she trusted he would lead in the right way. Her children in subjection 2 her, she subjected 2 the Wise One, and the Wise One in subjection 2 the only begotten one, all - 4ever in subjection 2 God" hmmmm let me get this straight...the woman cant interpret God's word for herself. She must "surrender" it to her man...the children are subjected to her and she to her man and the man to god...Does this sound like the Prince you grew up with???? "Holocaust aside, many lived and died But when all truth is told Would u rather b dead or b sold? " What is this supposed to mean...my people suffered worse than yours?...what are we talking about here..compartive atrocities??? whats the point??? "Sold 2 the one who can now mate the displaced bloodline with the white jailbait." Huh?.... "Every time I watch the other people news "... Other people's news??? is this the opposite of YOU people??? "There's a theocratic order now This is how it's gonna b If u wanna b with me Ain't no room 4 disagree " Interesting....so we're gonna switch one oppressor for another? The Taliban was a theocracy..they also have one in Iran...its not pretty. "room 4 disagree" is one of the few things that make this country great "First of all, the term "black and white" is a fallacy. It simply is another way of saying "this or that". Let's examine the term "this or that" in its ultimate form which is: "this" means the truth or "that which is resistant 2 it. When a minority realizes its similarities on a higher level- not just "black"- but PEOPLE OF COLOR, and higher still "INDIGENOUS", and even higher still, "FROM THE TRIBE OF.", and yet higher- the "RAINBOW CHILDREN". When this understanding comes, the so-called minority becomes a majority in the wink of an eye. This action will cause a Reaction or Resistance. The source of this Resistance must b banished as it is in direct conflict with the initial action. It cannot be assimilated, 4 its very nature is resistance. In other words, ONE CANNOT SERVE 2 MASTERS. U r either "this" or "that" which is not "this". " So if all the "Rainbow Children" become a majority then who is left to be the "minority"? Who exactly is being "banished" here? You are either with us or against us?....compare with the message of LoveSexy, PartyUp etc... Those are the most obvious examples but the whole thing reeks of moral superiority and condemnation of that which he doesnt agree with.... [Edited 2/8/05 18:09pm] Seriously, thank you for nailing the reasons the lyrics on this CD have always left a bad taste in my mouth! And it's a shame, cuz some of the music is pretty yummy. | |
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OdysseyMiles said: Right, and it's a shame that some people insist on taking these words in a negative way rather than opening their minds to other possibilities.
For example, the "dem devil come dressed as light" lyric. Some folks have been so determined to make that into a somehow racist lyric. I'm not even a Christian and I know that Biblical teachings are full of references to the devil disguising himslef as goodness and light in order to deceive people. It's sad to hear some people try to twist this into something against white folks. The Normal Whores Club | |
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FunkMistress said: OdysseyMiles said: Right, and it's a shame that some people insist on taking these words in a negative way rather than opening their minds to other possibilities.
For example, the "dem devil come dressed as light" lyric. Some folks have been so determined to make that into a somehow racist lyric. I'm not even a Christian and I know that Biblical teachings are full of references to the devil disguising himslef as goodness and light in order to deceive people. It's sad to hear some people try to twist this into something against white folks. You're right on the money, babe.  | |
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OdysseyMiles said: What's so suspicious about it? The emphasis was put on the father and the Son. It's quite simple, really. Dude couldn't find anything to rhyme with Holy Spirit,
. I'm sure he recognizes God's active force, though not in a Trinitarian way.Can't have a spiritual life without the spirit. I believe TRC is much more thematically
Absolutely NOT!!! and musically cohesive.
Musically (not lyrically), it could give Lovesexy a run for it's money, but it still doesn't put TRC in my favorite top 10. Lovesexy Funkateer | |
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SO WRONG with YOUR INTERPRETATION. I UNDERSTAND it COMPLETELY! PRINCE is NO BIGIT and NO RACIST and NO BIG MEANIE. You JUST are NOT UNDERSTANDING. LOOK at his BANDMATES..WHITE and BLACK AND PUERTO RICAN / SPANISH. And ya know PRINCE is saying that HE as a BLACK MALE WANTS to SET A GOOD EXAMPLE and NOT be Like a LOW-CLASS and ALL. PRINCE is SAYING to SET HIGH STANDARDS. Ya JUST DON'T get him or a MAN who STRIVES to ALWAYS BE and ACHEIVE the BEST! I get him. He has Changed from the past and is MORE say CULTURED. He's MATURED and he's POLISHED. Ya DON'T GET it? SEE COACH CARTER and ALL! I UNDERSTAND MY HUNK and HE'S MARVELOUS and SEXY and those OTHER WOMEN he dated talking STUFF /Shit well ya Know he's BETTER Off WITHOUT Them and WHERE he is NOW with a YOUNGER Better Woman. It's all Good. Prince is the BEST! WISE UP and Get In The KNOW! | |
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