Being a huge Prince fan and posting on a Prince fan website, I don't expect an all round objective answer and rightly so, I'm open to attack. But personally, as much as I love Prince and his music, he has had his day. He may well declare, 'Real music, for real musicians', but don't you feel he harps back to music to which to some extent is dated?

Of course, he is a genius and multi talented musician but what has he got left to offer? The artists he hypes...Alicia Keys, Outkast, Common...bring nothing new to the table in opinion. As talented as they are and wonderful as they are to see live they offer nothing new in challenging you as a listener. As music lovers, I erge you to open your ears, expand...delve into the Org musicians forum if it offers anything interesting. The NewFunkerOrder are fantastic and I thoroughly support them. It is their time now. Support them, because for goodness sake, they have more to say than Prince does these days as far as music, creativity and expression is concerned these days.

Again, I adore Prince's music, it envelops me, in such as if I got bored of music he is the one artist I go back to. Disagree if you like, declare if Prince is still of a relevance and explain why but don't stand for half baked, funk rubbish as he is making to day because fakes facts... it is dated. Sure, there are unconvered bootlegs that offer further insight into his genius to collect but shouldn't we be looking to the future and putting our admiration of Prince behind us?!

Come on Prince and Orgers, prove me wrong...

andykeen said:

Wouldn't you just love for Prince to proof us both wrong Andy? To what extent has he got it in him do you think?

I think he mentions Alicia Keys, Outkast, Common because they are a) Black and b) play instruments, and c) site him as an influence (ego stroke).

About a) I just say that because I know Prince likes to big up Black artists, it's not a dig in any way.

Personally, I'd like to see him add people like Felix da Housecat to that list. It would be super-cool to see Prince ackowledge his electro following and influence.

Prince is amazing because of his range and skill, but I suppose I agree, he's had his day as an artist who pushes forward, and that's natural, that's the natural flow of an artist, there's nothing bad about acknowledging Prince is 2005 is not as pioneering as Prince in 1982, how could he be?!

Looking at his peers, I think Prince is in a fantastic position, maybe the best position - he's in control of his own career, he's still producing new music, and the media don't really expects anything of him after all this time because of his time "in the wilderness" during the 90s and his string of "flops".

I think is eccentricities have served him well, and I think he is respected as one of the last true great musical eccentrics.

NouveauDance said:

Of cause, but isn't it through his own, well perhaps not, his own fault in what he listens to? I'd love it if Prince took on board what 'dance' (maybe thats is unfair to contextualise them as such) are creating these days. If you went to see Jamie Lidell, Playgroup, Romanthony, Daft Punk I'm sure you'd love it just as much as a Prince gig. But as talented as he is he has never opened his ears to it.

JDINTERACTIVE said:

Well let me tell u this, I feel prince could never create a great album again, this is because he has no 1 behind him pushing him for a great album, all he has is him self.
ppl say if he get bak with the REV. he'll make wonderful music again, but peps gotta understand that prince is in his 40's comin up to his 50's, and is only gonna make music he wants 2 hear, and at the mo its funky, jazzed up shite, will that ever change i think not, ever since he changed bak 2 prince, what have we heard from him?

Mainly jazzed up funk crap! so I doubt if he will ever make fantastic music again, good music maybe but not great.

JDINTERACTIVE said:

See kiddies, this is why a mind is a terrible thing to waste!

JDINTERACTIVE said:

First of all, you need to learn how to write and spell in English. Second of all,

Musicology: #1 tour of 2004, 8th highest grossing tour in history, album sold over 1.5 million copies. Maybe his songs aren't as progressive as in the past, but don't say he's not relevant. People are dying to see what Prince does next.

7lovesymbol7 said:

Please stick the point and offer something relevant to the topic.

SexyBeautifulOne said:

Mine is a young mind who wants to be creatively challenged.

Thankyou, 7Lovesymbol7. I can't make head nor tail of JD.

7lovesymbol7 said:

Man this isn't an english lesson, Just cuz he may of said sumthing that U believe is wrong, U dont have 2 take the piss, that was his opinion, dont knock him!
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i agree to a point, but you have to remember that prince has been releasing music now for 27 years,...27 years...no artist has continued to grow musically over such a period, prince's first 10 albums showed amazing growth,brilliant innovative albums that made him rightly considered a genius but at the end of the day, he is only human and it would be impossible for him to continue to release innovative music.
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look at all the greats..mccartney, brian wilson, david bowie, bob dylan, stevie wonder, none of them has been brilliant over such a period as prince has been recording. every artist has his time and prince had a wonderful run during the 80s when he was almost untouchable so i say, enjoy his music for what it is...he can still make great music, if not as brilliant as his early stuff, but he still a superb live performer so there is still a long way to go....

7lovesymbol7 said:

Do you think so?

No doubt WE are, and maybe critics and music fans are curious, but really, most concert goers just wanna hear the hits - and that goes for anyone.

When I go and see a concert of someone I'm not a big fan/collector of, I wanna hear the songs I know.

The Musicology tour was a hits show, on the back of a comeback album.


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blackboab said:

Great point, and if I was much of a fan of the artists you mentioned I'd be saying the same things. I guess, I just want Prince to really oustand me again. I know he must have it in him.

Well that is the beauty of music. Music touches people emotionaly in diffrent ways. You may feel Prince's music nowadays is lackluster compared to his most inovative time but for me the music he puts out today is just as good. Granted I don't like everything he puts out but he is one of the few aritists-maybe the only aritist- I like that doesn't bore me.and keeps me interested.

williammelvinhicks said:

That't what they all say.

JDINTERACTIVE said:

I'd love to see Prince ackowledge those people - add Chromeo and Bangkok Impact to that list too

Imagine if Prince sent his stuff to be remixed by these folks instead of getting Doug E Fresh or Eve to add their tired little raps over his stuff.


» NouveauDance
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you cannot discount him making a brilliant album again, he is too talented to do that...it is unlikely but not impossible.

JDINTERACTIVE said:

Mine is a young mind that wants to be creatively challenged.

Perhaps if you stopped worrying about what Prince is or is not doing and dropped by an English class, you would be!

NouveauDance said:

I guess that has to some extent been his problem. Acknowledging what he believes to be challenging music as to opposed to having an outside and objective influence produce and comment on his music. I guess it's not Prince set out to achieve, musical deity, but he's damn near close as anyone in my opinion. Maybe his musical path may not be as interesting as it has been. But yet, who knows?!

SexyBeautifulOne said:

If you have got nothing relevant to contribute to the debate but point out a few minor English errors, why comment?

NouveauDance said:

Lovely point. The show was perhaps the best I've seen in years but the word of mouth spread cause he was playing his old stuff. Had it tried to be another stadium tour with only new music to promote it would have failed miserably.

andykeen said:

I got a 2.1 university degree Andy but then this is a Prince website I guess. I did say prove me wrong but I didn't expect a comment on my grammatical mistakes.

JDINTERACTIVE said:

Lol

NouveauDance said:

Indeed an intelligent observer and to be fair I feel the same. It's kind of strange though, do you want him to play the hits because of the enjoyment of friends who are not so familiar with his music enjoy it? Or because it's a display of his creative best?

Knowing Prince's rich musical vocabulary, from every album he's released, not released, demo'd, teased us with, etc, i'd like to think he's still capable of producing something that'll make people go "fuck me!!! that's Prince!!!"
I stopped looking for it 'round about 95, got frustrated with him for a while, then realised that half his back catalogue is utter fucking genius. So i don't think it matters if he can produce the goods these days. It's his own stuff he's got to compete with.
Stuff like Basement Jaxx, Felix Da Housecat, Peaches etc as much as i love 'em, are nowhere near as innovative as Prince was. So really, i think they have Him to compete with, not the other way round.
Someone mentioned something in a thread recently about where Prince will stand in the musical history pages. I think he's the Miles Davis of our generation.

blackboab said:

Totally.

I always felt that any kind of music is good as long as it's made with the purpose of sounding good or conveying some sort of message. It doesn't matter how it's made -- live instruments, keyboards, computers, effects, whatever. However, I do think it's a shame that people are making money off of other peoples' work (using samples, rapping on top of someone else's music, etc). "Don't steal the beats -- be creative at least" (from "Creativity" by Snap, available on the HaveMoxie album). Besides that, it's all good. "Why can't we just dance?"