Spinlight said:

I noticed that too. I posted this on 02/02/05. I only mod the artist hangout. I suppose Tom may have just noticed it as of yesterday. Not to mention there really hasn't been much new prince news. Just my guess.

SquirrelMeat said:

mouse buttons == functionality? Last I checked my Mac's mouse had like 5 buttons, so it must be almost three times more functional then your two-button computer!!


When I hit the right mouse button on my XP system, sometimes the whole system slows to a crawl. On the Mac, my context menu always snaps up instantly when I do the same.

Recent versions of Mac OS X has some 64-bit hooks for apps that really, really need them (there are several 64-bit plug-ins for Photoshop). Remember, the G5 is a 64-bit chip. The next Mac OS X (Tiger) will have more 64-bit hooks and libraries. Not many people in forums like this know what is meant by a wholesale switch to 64-bit OS, and even fewer understand when it is and is not a good move. The short version is that a 100% code change to 64-bit is not the best move for a consumer OS.

For those comparing the PowerPC G5 to Athlon 64 or Pentium 4, it is very, very difficult to comprehensively compare these chips, as the architectures are fundamentally different. A G5 may have a smaller cache then an Athlon, but perform better, as the pipelines commands run through are arranged far more efficiently. It's not all about one thing (Ghz, L2 Cache, whatever) it's the whole package, and how the code uses it....

charly1310 said:

Common miss-conception: "No one writes viruses for the Mac cuz No one ownes one". I really is much more difficult to write viruses for the Mac, as it's based on solid BSD UNIX system with a strong security model and few exploitable bugs. Windows security is based on a bunch of bolted-on code, with every layer having more exploitable bugs.

I think most people defend windows simply do to the amount of $$ they have invested in their hardware/software. No one likes to be told they wasted all that cash on an inferior product...

charly1310 said:

absolutely. If someone created a virus on for MacOS X, it would be news because it hasn't been done before. How is virus #70,001 on windows going to make news unless it's destroying the drive on thousands of computers. What you are missing is that windows is full of holes that make viruses easy to write. Here's a direct quote from Microsoft on this issue:
"... Our products just aren't engineered for security."
- Brian Valentine - Microsoft senior v.p., Windows development.

MacOS X is built on Unix, which was engineered for security. Huge difference. Microsoft keeps plugging hole after hole to no avail because their design is fundamentally flawed with respect to security.
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alandail said:

Our Network Security Officer said that there are about 5 known viruses for the MAC. He didn't elaborate if they effected OSX though and I didn't think to ask him until after the fact.

But still. 5? I can live with that!

The only thing I have a beef with Apple is usually the company themselves. They make outstanding machines, but offer very little help. Usually Apple screws up their own users with some of these auto updates and don't take in account that their users may have third party apps in there, thus causing some conflict at times. The biggest was a few months ago when thousands of MAC users got their little "OS Update" one morning and their systems went down. They didn't really offer a lot of help in fixing it. They just rolled out a new update and pretended it didn't happen.

It's almost like they expect ALL USERS to be programmers and know to disconnect all firwire devices and thirdparty apps before making the update.

I was in the clear as I only installed the update on my Laptop and not my main tower. Lost a few e-mails and contacts but that was about it.

BUT REALLY. If I weighed out the problems of both machines, the ratio would be 1 to 10 / Mac to Windows. So I really can't complain. A lot of issues were resolved by just learning to be a better computer user that would make no difference on platforms. And the Mac was by far easier to learn these things than my PC.

MY FRIGGIN' OPINION and I'M NOT TELLING ANYONE TO GET A MAC RATHER WHAT JUST WORKS FOR ME FOR THOSE WHO THOUGHT I WAS TRYING TO BRING ABOUT A DEBATE.

Back when I lived in Tennessee they talked like this but it was FORD vs CHEVEY.

alandail said:

You're certainly right in some of what you said, but I could throw up when I read messages like the one from chookalana. People like him always mixing up things and make other knuckleheads jump on the train.

So, let's make a full stop here and concentrate on writing viruses for the MAC. I'd love to see the stupid faces of all these die hard MAC disciples when all their iShit got deleted suddenly without a warning

Too bad I'm not able to programm...

cheers and peace,
charly1310

charly1310 said:

it doesn't matter that you're not a programmer. I am a programmer, and even if you were a programmer too, you simply can't write a virus for MacOS X because to do the things a virus does, you need the user to authenticate themselves with an administrator password. Without that authentication, you can't touch the OS. And even if you got the user to authenticate, you don't have a way to spread to another mac.
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yamomma said:

There are 0 viruses for OS X

There are 597 viruses for OS 9 and earlier, over 400 of those operate through Microsoft Office....

langebleu said:

Why don't I have that yet?!

purpleizpassion said:

i'm gonna get it. to think the only official release i don't already have and now i discover it has something on it i want

muttley said:

That site was frickin sweet! I know haw hard it can be when u r trying to develop your own plan and how inspirational it is when you someone else's work. Makes u wanna haul ass huh Yommomma?

sosgemini said:

I believe Big Head Todd and the Monsters' "Sister Sweetly" album was recorded at PP... (btw: they're playing the Fillmore on March 19th - I'm going - you should join)....

I dunno about this Mac vs. PC argument, but I doubt I could buy a 2.4GHz Mac with 512MB RAM and 128GB HD for under $400.

Tell me if I'm wrong.

Fauxie said:

First of all Ghz is all relative. That's why Pentium dropped them from their processor names. It's how the operating system and applications are optimized to USE those Ghz.

I did a test with my 1.5 Ghz Powerbook vs by buddy's custom PC running a Pentium IV @ 3.2 Ghz.

I had 1 DVD playing, 10 quicktime movies playing, and 53 applications running all at the same time. I had no problems what so ever.

His PC had 1 DVD playing 5 quicktime movies, and it crashed when he started his 14 program.

I could have run more, but I only had 53 installed.....

Fauxie said:

You could go with this little toy though: http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html

I hear they are pretty good for the price.

yamomma said:

No, I already have the computer. I live in Thailand where computers are pretty cheap. I had some problems with it initially, but I've found that if I give it rice whiskey three times a day it works beautifully!

chookalana said:

I don't think I have 53 apps on my computer. I do, however, have spare $ in my pocket.

the paisley site is not loading!

main reason i use a mac at home: Final Cut Pro and dvd studio pro

I use pc's at work for everything that we used to use macs for (after effects, etc

but the crucial pcs cannot be connected to the internet or externals, because we always get hacked and such.... ususally from Japan.

This is so awesome!

Snap said:

Pro-Tools & Reason are availavle for Mac & PC.

yamomma said:

Thank you for the info Yamomma!

So Prince use Pro-Tools & Reason. Wow!

Novabreaker said:

Thank you for speaking for all of us PC-users!!!

yamomma said:

This PC-user likes the freedom of "getting my hands dirty" by fixing my PC if there were any problems to solve or new technology to add on (like a new DVD writer, more USB outlets, etc).

If I had a problem with a Mac, it's always wait for the release of G4, G5, G6, G7, etc. etc. etc.

As for the software, OSX is beautiful. But for music recording, why did Apple turn it back on VST by going for its own AU format? At least all PC's can have their DXi & VST!

XP SP2 isn't perfect by any means. But since I started using the free Firefox Web Brower, life has been great!!!

Novabreaker said:

That must be why the trend in supercomputer building is to use PowerPC based systems instead of Intel/AMD based systems - a trend started win Virginia Tech built one of the fastest supercomputers in the world out of G5 PowerMacs at a fraction of the cost the Intel/AMD systems cost.

It aint that far from TO (or Hamilton)
It's 14 hour drive but a 1.25 hr flight!
You gotta go! Dont let the distance stop ya. I loved wandering the Studios during the last 2 celebrations!

SammiJ said:

I wonder if this means Paisley Park are accepting demos again?

amyhr said:

Yes, it is indeed based on solid BSD UNIX system. Yet somehow the whole UNIX community wonders how the hell did they manage to fuck it up (and have the nerve to cash on something that was meant to be open source to begin with). There's nothing UNIX about Mac OS.

And talking about UNIX, why the hell doesn't any decent LINUX distro run without considerable problems on Apple products when many of them work out just fine on even old Commodore Amigas? And when the UNIX DAW studio becomes reality in a few years of time, and most everything in the software end of things is free of charge, that'll provide another reason to steer away from Apple. Of course professionals will always use Macs because professionals use Macs. You cannot create professional quality music on a PC.(guess how many times I have heard that line in my life)



Windows security has always been fucking trash, and it's constantly being attacked by "evil" programmers just because its their developing platform anyway. But what the hell do you think what happens when most PC users expect their computers run just fine after having 1,000+ cracked programs, all that porno and games on their harddrives.



That is exactly the scenario with Machintosh systems. And see? PC people do not use their cash on a "product" per se, most of us have the capacity to build our own systems from the components that we exactly want. The reason why I defend PCs is not because of the money I've spent on Windows (I use Linux for everything else than music production), but because people do not see the forest from trees given all the bad rep Microsoft has gotten over the years. And hell yes, those motherfuckers deserve all the bad rep they've gotten and even more, but that doesn't mean their product is an inferior one.

And let's be real, the processing power of Macs is indeed lagging seriously behind when keeping in mind how much those high-end Macs cost. You could have bought all kinds of great thingamajicks for your recording studio for that money anyway. Kids, stay away from Macs - buy the cheapest PC trash you can find instead!

And no, I don't think OS X is good-looking. Commodore Basic V2, now there's a "good-looking" operating system in my books.

alandail said:

Nobody's building a fucking supercomputer here. Just something you can place on your own desktop. Why do home artists, people with no real careers, think they need to invest ridiculous amounts of cash on their set-ups? Just get a cheap component machine with no bells and whistles and be realistic about it. It gets the job done. Artistic creation should be about humility, not Snoop Dogg having in all of his five luxury homes a (Mac based) recording studio. Neither of which I'm sure he knows how to operate. Because true professionals use Machintosh computers

When I need a recording studio or a sound stage, I will be sure to give them a call.