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Coincidence or Code? Do you think that Prince intentionally self-references his own music in other songs?
For example... in "International Lover" he ends one line with "buy you DIAMONDS AND PEARLS"...years later, he releases the song "Diamonds & Pearls". There's even stuff that references unreleased material. In "Hot Thing" he mentions "Crystal Ball". In "Adore" he ends a line emphasizing the word "Crucial". Is it possible that a song (or songs) like Diamonds & Pearls were written during the "1999" sessions and was updated/released in the 90's? Another reason why I dig his music so much. Prince was ironic before irony was considered cool. [This message was edited Sun Apr 21 22:56:52 PDT 2002 by S3V3N] | |
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He always thought in concepts. Whether they were actual poems, but I believe there was always a concoius effort to connect songs. See Lovesexy. One "experience gave genisis to another experience. | |
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I was pondering this phenomena myself just two day ago. Ironc? | |
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RE: Ironic
In the 90's it became fashionable to be sort of ironic as a form of social commentary. NOT in the "Alanis" sort of way. 
There seems to be an ironic quality in Prince, making a new song...and then referencing another song of his own. I dunno..maybe it's just me. | |
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I think about this too. Prince likes to refer to other songs all of the time.
In addition to the ones you already named: -200 Balloons has a reference to "Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic" -Hot Wit U has a reference to "Underneath the Cream" I think he just likes to listen to old songs and get ideas for new ones. | |
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200 balloons and Rave un2 were recorded in the same time period being as Rave un2 was intended for the Batman soundtrack. [This message was edited Mon Apr 22 0:43:06 PDT 2002 by lovemachine] | |
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S3V3N said: Do you think that Prince intentionally self-references his own music in other songs?
For example... in "International Lover" he ends one line with "buy you DIAMONDS AND PEARLS"...years later, he releases the song "Diamonds & Pearls". There's even stuff that references unreleased material. In "Hot Thing" he mentions "Crystal Ball". In "Adore" he ends a line emphasizing the word "Crucial". Is it possible that a song (or songs) like Diamonds & Pearls were written during the "1999" sessions and was updated/released in the 90's? Another reason why I dig his music so much. Prince was ironic before irony was considered cool. [This message was edited Sun Apr 21 22:56:52 PDT 2002 by S3V3N] Neither. Doesn't seem to weird when you consider it's all from the same guy. All these ideas for songs and song titles are floating around in his head. Makes sense that the ideas would be carried over through his songs. [This message was edited Mon Apr 22 1:08:03 PDT 2002 by CmputrBlu] | |
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There was a RS interview around the time of GB, where they reported P obsessively lstening 2 his own music. This is where he gets most of his ideas.
I think all of the internal referencing is intentional (look at the IWBYL sample in MNIP). It creates this web of meaning which is very cool, and intriguing. "We've never been able to pull off a funk number"
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Also, "controversy" has the line "introduction (or reproduction) of a new breed leader. Stand up - organize" and "Rainbow Children" has the same line. | |
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Prince wrote Crystal Ball in 1987 so it's no coincidence that he refers to it in a track from SOTT - not in my opinion anyway! | |
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? [This message was edited Tue Feb 25 23:40:17 PST 2003 by IstenSzek] and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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I think he just writes the lyrics and certain words or
phrases, while writing or working on the song, catches his attention and says to himself..."I can make a song around that word/phrase.....or maybe I'm just talking out of my ass! peace bgladthaturfree
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themellowone said: Prince wrote Crystal Ball in 1987 so it's no coincidence that he refers to it in a track from SOTT But an amazing feat given that he had completed recording the Crystal Ball triple album, including the title track which you say was written in 1987, by November 1986.
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wasitgood4u said: I think all of the internal referencing is intentional (look at the IWBYL sample in MNIP). It creates this web of meaning which is very cool, and intriguing. It's a bit difficult to argue that sampling one of your own songs is unintentional referencing!As for it creating a 'web of meaning which is very cool and intriguing', lifting phrases from previous songs and reviving them in other songs e.g. Alphabet St / Horny Pony, Get Off / Gett Off, Hot Wit U / Underneath The Cream - how the hell is there any meaning in such self-reference? Suggesting that this use of lyrics has any significance beyond just being 'playful' smacks of delusion.ALT+PLS+RTN: Pure as a pane of ice. It's a gift. |
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Many great musicians think in a stream of consciousness. Recurrent themes abound. He really was just talking about what young black guys his age were into at that time. Love, God, sex, women, cars, staying clean, rebellion, freedom etc.
They also make direct references to whatever is going on at that precise moment. I forgot what its called. Spontaneity breeds art. They say money don't buy you luv. But it'll help w/ the search. | |
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langebleu said: wasitgood4u said: I think all of the internal referencing is intentional (look at the IWBYL sample in MNIP). It creates this web of meaning which is very cool, and intriguing. It's a bit difficult to argue that sampling one of your own songs is unintentional referencing!As for it creating a 'web of meaning which is very cool and intriguing', lifting phrases from previous songs and reviving them in other songs e.g. Alphabet St / Horny Pony, Get Off / Gett Off, Hot Wit U / Underneath The Cream - how the hell is there any meaning in such self-reference? Suggesting that this use of lyrics has any significance beyond just being 'playful' smacks of delusion.Get a life! "We've never been able to pull off a funk number"
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wasitgood4u said: langebleu said: wasitgood4u said: I think all of the internal referencing is intentional (look at the IWBYL sample in MNIP). It creates this web of meaning which is very cool, and intriguing. It's a bit difficult to argue that sampling one of your own songs is unintentional referencing!As for it creating a 'web of meaning which is very cool and intriguing', lifting phrases from previous songs and reviving them in other songs e.g. Alphabet St / Horny Pony, Get Off / Gett Off, Hot Wit U / Underneath The Cream - how the hell is there any meaning in such self-reference? Suggesting that this use of lyrics has any significance beyond just being 'playful' smacks of delusion.Get a life! lol: pot / kettle ALT+PLS+RTN: Pure as a pane of ice. It's a gift. |
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