opinions, opinions, opinions !!!
personally my view,..... lovesexy = classic sott = classic musicology = totally average its just opinoins !!! | |
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PurpleKnight said: What bothers me about the way fans react to this album is the way they condemn certain 90's Prince albums for certain things they excuse in Lovesexy.
People say Prince's 90's albums are overproduced. What do you call Lovesexy? It's the glossiest thing I've ever heard. People talk about how annoying the segues on TGE are, but they excuse the single track idea of Lovesexy. Or, they talk about the throwaways on Emancipation but magically Dance On and Glam Slam are classics? The 90s were overproduced in the way that everything (well, from 1996 on) sounded too clean, Lovesexy might be overpoduced in the way that there was a whole lot going in the mix. It still has a this edge. These terms might not actually mean the same thing, but people use them the same way, I think. | |
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danielboon said: Rumpofsteelskin said: Lovesexy made a lot of people gay. It still doesn't make a great album. how can an album make you gay ??? either you are or your not !! surely ??? from what I've read here, Lovesexy is one of those Prince albums that helped many folks make a decision when they were unsure about coming out...(i.e..Lovesexy saved my life) Don't take it so personally or so literally. | |
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Rumpofsteelskin said: danielboon said: how can an album make you gay ??? either you are or your not !! surely ??? from what I've read here, Lovesexy is one of those Prince albums that helped many folks make a decision when they were unsure about coming out...(i.e..Lovesexy saved my life) Don't take it so personally or so literally. Anna Stesia!! GlamSlamKid...The resident clown on Prince.orgy
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BinaryJustin said: It was the last really great album. It's got this flow that you don't find on later albums.
I'm not saying that he hasn't made better songs since but as a collection of songs it flows like a good movie. I think that your overall appreciation may depend on: a) Your age at the time of first listen; b) If you heard this album sequentially after Sign O' The Times and The Black Album; c) How American you are. Do you remember before the internet and actually queuing in front of a record store to open so you could buy the new Prince single? Remember that the last single from Sign O' The Times was 'I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man'? Stadium-rock MOR pop and then... BOOM! 'Alphabet St.' dropped. It sounded like nothing else before. A funky sparse ballad with nursery-rhyme melodies, cartoon production and the 'Yeah, yeah, yeah' refrain. It sounded like a barely-rehearsed jam recorded to 4-track. It's the only time that I can ever remember local mainstream DJs playing both sides of the 7". Then the video... Silly, wilfully cheap, garish, bizarre but above all - fun. Subliminal messages and chroma-key distortion. I can remember buying the album on cassette like it was yesterday. I got the bus into town, armed with my walkman. I was confronted with nude Princes all over the record store. The image is still my favourite of his album covers. It's art - it really is. The flower's stamen standing in for his dick was sacred and profane all at the same time. I listened to the album all the way through on the journey back home. It was like the musical equivalent of drinking undiluted squash. Somebody earlier commented that the album was "shiny" sounding. It isn't at all - not in the way that his 90s crap was. It sounded "bright" - not shiny. I decided to stop repeating myself when discussing reasons why an album listened to for the first time today from way back doesn't hit the same way it used to (age of listener). Today, we look for instant gratification, a la internet. No more actually sitting down to listen to an album. I am MrVictor.... | |
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Believe it or not, I just got around to buying Lovesexy within the past couple of months. I like it a good deal, but haven't listened to it enough to make it one of my fave P records. | |
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vainandy said: To me, "Lovesexy" is one of his typical average albums from 1985 to the present, it's "good" music but it's not "spectacular" music like the ealier albums. The album I have seen so far overrated around here is "Sign O The Times".
yup..i mean don't get me wrong..sign o the times is a nice record..but it aint spectacular and all that...not 2 me anyways. Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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How come you're talking shit? Dance ON "forgettable"?
Forget this To each his own. This album can never be sufficiently praised for what it did for my life. . [Edited 12/27/04 12:15pm] 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Help me out Supa and glamslam. What is it exactly about this album that was so personal for you? I've always wanted to ask a gay person this but was scared about how to approach it for fear that I would be making some sort of inaccurate generalization. What is the "life saving" factor in Lovesexy? What song, lyrics or music possesses that "salvation". Once again, I thought it was the imagery of the tour and Prince's "fashion sense" at the time that made some fall in the love with this album. The only true stellar moment I hear on the cd is Anna Stesia. | |
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Okay, this is how it is for me. i NEVER knew about Lovesexy before. Last summer, while i was dealing with me being gay, but not out yet, i heard Glam Slam for the first time and i fell in love with the song which prompted me to get Lovesexy. I've always admired Prince for his play on sexuality, which i really didn't care about becuase i saw past that and realized his talent. ANYWAY...that lyric at the beginning of Anna Stesia "Have you ever been so lonely that you feel like you can take anyone boy or girl" Hearing that meant a LOT to me...first in a sense that he says "take" instead of "choose" and that he said "boy OR girl", then there's the "genderless" love songs on there. Except for that part in "When 2 R in Love" when he says "the thought of his tongue in the V of her love", and it's the fact that he mixed sexuality AND spirituality, which was something else i was also going through at the time, and it showed me that they can come together to make something beautiful. It's not one or the other. That's how i see it though. Basically. There are a whole bunch of other factors too. It just has a positive message through the WHOLE album too. So that's MY experience. GlamSlamKid...The resident clown on Prince.orgy
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glamslamkid said: Rumpofsteelskin said: Lovesexy made a lot of people gay. It still doesn't make a great album. that's what makes it so great about it! it turns people gay!! YAY! MORE DICK FOR ME!! preach on | |
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Lodger said: danielboon said: how can an album make you gay ??? either you are or your not !! surely ??? He discovered Lovesexy cuz he's gay or Lovesexy made him realize he's gay I think... Prince had a bad trip on Ecstasy. He thought he was going to Hell. He thought the Black Album was evil. He cancel the album. He recorded Lovesexy. The nude cover is a spiritual rebirth. "Lovesexy is the feeling u get when u fall in love with the heavens about. Hold on to your soul." Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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rudeboynpg said: Its overrated because it was released in the 80s (1988). The Black Album is a much better album.
Ummm...that's your opinion. The Black Album is more of a b-tier album. It's a good funky mix of music, but no where near the critical success of it's successor, Lovesexy. And as for the guy who thinks Lovesexy is over-rated, I have this question to ask (again - ) Have you listened to Lovsexy like Prince means you to listen to it? It's a revival album, mixed with sexual and political imagery. I realize that you may not be able to understand this concept album as such. There haven't been many of this kind of record to come out in the last ten years, but please don't spoil it for other people who might pick it up and jam hard on it. And no, to that person who was wondering, you're not the only gay org'er. I'm a happy guy myself. | |
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Also, the single track idea is a hugely silly feature added...
I'm so sorry that in this world of post-talented boy bands and Paris Hilton Videos, that you find the single track a silly thing. Go on ahead and watch the next episode of Fear Factor, and then why don't you go download the Tommy Lee sex tape again? Or better yet, why not go out and buy Britney Spears greatest hits, and then come back and hail it on here as the greatest album of all time. You would do that wouldn't you? Cause you know you're just a poser, don't you? "You know the Lord loves the truth..." | |
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In retrospect it's a great album. | |
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poetbear68 said: rudeboynpg said: Its overrated because it was released in the 80s (1988). The Black Album is a much better album.
Ummm...that's your opinion. The Black Album is more of a b-tier album. It's a good funky mix of music, but no where near the critical success of it's successor, Lovesexy. And as for the guy who thinks Lovesexy is over-rated, I have this question to ask (again - ) Have you listened to Lovsexy like Prince means you to listen to it? It's a revival album, mixed with sexual and political imagery. I realize that you may not be able to understand this concept album as such. There haven't been many of this kind of record to come out in the last ten years, but please don't spoil it for other people who might pick it up and jam hard on it. And no, to that person who was wondering, you're not the only gay org'er. I'm a happy guy myself. Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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rudeboynpg said: Its overrated because it was released in the 80s (1988). The Black Album is a much better album.
I agree. Outside of "When 2 R In Love" (which fits in a lot better on The Black Album IMO) and "Alphabet St.", I don't care for Lovesexy at all. The Black Album is funky, fun, and enjoyable -- one of my favorite Prince albums. I enjoy listening to it as a whole, without skipping a single track. | |
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Lovesexy (for me) just has a certain feeling to it. There's a joy about it that just doesn't come across in most albums (I feel the same way about the Rainbow Children). I'm not saying it's great song for song - I simply cannot listen to "Positivity" or "Dance On" (sorry Supa ) - but most of the songs on there represent positivity in some sense & (in turn) make me feel good when I listen... it's like taking a happy pill for me Doesn't hurt that I associated it seeing him live for the first time either So F y'all, I'll never diss this album | |
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Like most first singles from Prince's album, I wasn't thrilled with "Alphabet St". Then I heard the lp...I thought "Eye No" was a funky chuch revival and was like
Then "Glam Slam", an operatic, funky collage of music madness, an audible interpretation of all those "weird" feelings you have when you love someone (as I did at that time). By the end of "Anna Stesia" I was (and always am) in tears. I would call "Dance On" a lot of things, but overproduced is not one of them. What Prince did with the instruments in this song is what hip-hop producers at the time were doing with samples (eg. The Bomb Squad, Dr. Dre) I have similar sentiments with a lot of you about the remaining songs, except "Positivity". I think it's a great closer for this lp. I personally like the riffs, fills and licks provided in this cut. The part starting at "In every man's life there will be a hangup..." until the end of the song gives me the same feeling as the "Swing down,sweet chariot..." part of "Mothership Connection" by Parliament. If the "1999" lp is a funky celebration of the secular, then "Lovesexy" is a funky celebration of the sacred...something we all wrestle with at various times in our lives. Prince really played on this conflict with the "Lovesexy" tour...and people also think the tour was overrated and hypocritical. I'll take this lp over anything he has released since. I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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I think it's overrated on this board certainly, but I also think it's the last uniformly great prince album and marked the end of his artistic prime. I would never rank it highter (or even as high) as Purple Rain or Sign O' the Times, but I'd rank it about as high as ATWIAD, Parade or 1999.
As a point of clarification, I say it's Prince's last uniformly great album because while there's plenty of good to great material in Prince's latter work, I don't think he made any albums that were as strong as his prime since lovesexy. I would have ranked TRC closer to his prime material is the lyrics weren't so lame. | |
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It’s an extremely uneven and ultimately mediocre record that is over-rated by Prince’s hard-core fans. Let’s take stock of what we have here:
-one good (but not great) pop-funk single in Alphabet Street -three very bland, ordinary funk work-outs that Prince could have written in his sleep (eye no, glam slam and positivity) -two fairly effective jams that are spacey, loose and good fun (dance on and the title track) -one sappy, generic sex ballad (when 2 r in love) -one pleasant and extremely unremarkable piece of filler (I wish u heaven) I don’t think that this adds up to an exceptional album by anyone’s standards. It certainly doesn’t meet the high watermark that Prince had set for himself. His abilities as a songwriter were displayed to dazzling effect on SOTT, and rather than expanding on those qualities, he gave us a (mostly) lazy, bloated and listless recording. This was the beginning of the end of Prince’s reign as popular music’s most interesting and creative recording artist. | |
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damosuzuki said: It’s an extremely uneven and ultimately mediocre record that is over-rated by Prince’s hard-core fans. Let’s take stock of what we have here:
-one good (but not great) pop-funk single in Alphabet Street -three very bland, ordinary funk work-outs that Prince could have written in his sleep (eye no, glam slam and positivity) -two fairly effective jams that are spacey, loose and good fun (dance on and the title track) -one sappy, generic sex ballad (when 2 r in love) -one pleasant and extremely unremarkable piece of filler (I wish u heaven) I don’t think that this adds up to an exceptional album by anyone’s standards. It certainly doesn’t meet the high watermark that Prince had set for himself. His abilities as a songwriter were displayed to dazzling effect on SOTT, and rather than expanding on those qualities, he gave us a (mostly) lazy, bloated and listless recording. This was the beginning of the end of Prince’s reign as popular music’s most interesting and creative recording artist. r u talking bout Musicology !!! ??? | |
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danielboon said: damosuzuki said: It’s an extremely uneven and ultimately mediocre record that is over-rated by Prince’s hard-core fans. Let’s take stock of what we have here:
-one good (but not great) pop-funk single in Alphabet Street -three very bland, ordinary funk work-outs that Prince could have written in his sleep (eye no, glam slam and positivity) -two fairly effective jams that are spacey, loose and good fun (dance on and the title track) -one sappy, generic sex ballad (when 2 r in love) -one pleasant and extremely unremarkable piece of filler (I wish u heaven) I don’t think that this adds up to an exceptional album by anyone’s standards. It certainly doesn’t meet the high watermark that Prince had set for himself. His abilities as a songwriter were displayed to dazzling effect on SOTT, and rather than expanding on those qualities, he gave us a (mostly) lazy, bloated and listless recording. This was the beginning of the end of Prince’s reign as popular music’s most interesting and creative recording artist. r u talking bout Musicology !!! ??? No, but I might as well have been - or almost every other post-"Sign..." album, I guess... | |
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Lovesexy is a great experience. The songs in and of themselves aren't spectacular, aside from Anna Stesia, but it's a great album which is much more than the sum of its parts. The only likeness it bears to his best works-- 1999 and Purple Rain-- is that it's from the 80's (and Prince made it). Personally I like it about as as I like TRC-- Lovesexy has a better feeling to it but less musical quality.
I think most fans here had a Purple hangover after Purple Rain and thus elevate anything after that fondly to greatness. These fans lump anything with the Revolution or from the 80's in with 1999 and Purple Rain. The fact is that ATWIAD and to a lesser extent Parade while enjoyable are an inevitable drop- off in quality. Both of these albums feature unremarkable songs. Emancipation has no less a ratio of quality songs to forgetable songs than ATWIAD. Parade is a step up from ATWIAD but is a far cry from Purple Rain. SOTT is a great album with great songs. It lacks the magic of Lovesexy because it is clearly only the sum of those great parts. As an album it doesn't stand out like Purple Rain which also has great songs which, however, work even better in the context of the album. | |
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"If the "1999" lp is a funky celebration of the secular, then "Lovesexy" is a funky celebration of the sacred...something we all wrestle with at various times in our lives. Prince really played on this conflict with the "Lovesexy" tour...and people also think the tour was overrated and hypocritical.
I'll take this lp over anything he has released since." Me too. I adore the Lovesexy album. Timeless, beautiful melodies and instruments recorded properly-analogue and valve. I think the difference in production now is everything being recorded digitally. Gives everything a clean, clinical sound. Put Lovesexy on, turn it up, and you've got the band playing there with you. I don't understand how it's possible to overrate a gorgeous album like Lovesexy. "Prince don't hear Ravel when he wanna make love to his woman. He hears drums and shit." Miles Davis | |
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williammelvinhicks said: "If the "1999" lp is a funky celebration of the secular, then "Lovesexy" is a funky celebration of the sacred...something we all wrestle with at various times in our lives. Prince really played on this conflict with the "Lovesexy" tour...and people also think the tour was overrated and hypocritical.
I'll take this lp over anything he has released since." Me too. I adore the Lovesexy album. Timeless, beautiful melodies and instruments recorded properly-analogue and valve. I think the difference in production now is everything being recorded digitally. Gives everything a clean, clinical sound. Put Lovesexy on, turn it up, and you've got the band playing there with you. I don't understand how it's possible to overrate a gorgeous album like Lovesexy. I agree with the production sounding very live, but this was the first record that Prince put out that I thought was overproduced. There were no funky demo quality jams like "Dorothy Parker" or "Something in the Water." Its kind of overblown, and I prefer when Prince puts out stripped down music like "Kiss" Sign O" and of course "Erotic City"... ______________________________________________
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