meow85 said:

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I can't figure how a lot of people did not pick up on the Chritian images and messages that have been running around P music and image for over 20 years.

My guess is was always a belivever. He just was not living up to it and now that is older he making more of an effort. Not really odd for people to want to get closer to their God as they get older.

altavista said:

I thought she got a kidney transplant some years ago now.

Ifsixwuz9 said:

His actions of recent years speak volumes on his feelings about his past and seem to contradict that.

As I pointed out to another poster on this thread...yeah, Prince NEVER EVER says anything but the truth and never, ever says anythere merely for the sake of either shoring up or builiding his outward persona!

You people that believe everything that comes out of Prince's mouth to be the gospel truth and/or fact merely because he "said it" crack me up, bless your hearts.

TimCalhoun said:

You yourself have no evidence to support your claim that Prince is "lying" if he says if he has no regrets.
Furthermore, his actions of recent years show what he has always been: A man who is always growing and changing. Why is this idea so hard to accept?
Honestly Tim, when have you known Prince (or any other man for that matter) to just stay the same? People change.
I also agree with laurarichardson when she says that P was always a believer. This is true. He simply reached a stage in his life where he decided he wanted to try and live by bible principals. Becoming one of Jehovah's Witnesses doesn't mean that he let someone else tell him who God is. He let the Bible tell him who God is.
Seriously, Prince is not some victim here who's been hustled into shaming himself. The guy is married, he's worshipping God the way he believes he should, and he's apparantly happy with the way things are now. Why can't some of us just be happy that he's happy? Or is there something missing in our lives to the point that we need to start speculating about what's wrong with his?

OdysseyMiles said:

right awn.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Thank you sweetie.

TimCalhoun said:

You seem to like to assume you know what everyone is thinking and attribute words and thoughts to certain people just to make your point or get off an insult. I never said I believe everything Prince says. You, my dear, are the misguided one.

OdysseyMiles said:

Save and print.

I'm sure he's ashamed of a few things unless he's got big mental problems; he's human.

But he's defended his cussing saying he was the only one doing it back then, so it was cool, but now everyone's doing it. I agree, the constant profanity has become boring.

He just did a tour playing his old hits, including DMSR, Controversy. So he changed some lyrics, 20 years has changed him. He still kept the spirit of the songs alive. I don't think he's ashamed, he just knows he doesn't need to shock to be great.

Ifsixwuz9 said:

Whatever you say, honey baby.

OdysseyMiles said:

My point is that people who use the "Prince said blah blah blah" as a means to support something make me laugh considering how many times in his life Prince has totally reconstructed the past or the facts to suit his current mindset or enhance his persona in the way that he WANTS TO BE PERCEIVED.

There have even been occasions where he HAS outright said things that aren't true. Are you trying to tell me Prince isn't a notorious hypocrite or prone to skew the facts?

So someone saying "Prince said so" doesn't necessarily hold much weight, imo.

Also, no offense but is it possible for you to repond to a comment without mentioning or bringing up Prince's current JW-ism? It really has no bearing on what I wrote nor was I even thinking of that when I wrote what I did.

Why do the JWs on this board constantly feel the need to bring into ever ydiscussion that Prince is JW now?
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I don't think he's ashamed of his past. Why should he be? He's fucking PRINCE for crying out loud. He's created a body of work that is simply the greatest music ever made.

Besides, Prince did say a few years ago that he's not ashamed of the work he's done in the past. He says it's all part of his growing process.

Prince is a human being. I am sure that there are some things that he wishes he had done a little differently, just like the rest of us wish we had done some things differently. But, there is no point in living in or regretting a past you can't do anything about. He appears to have moved on. So should we.

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TimCalhoun said:

That's not the case. I was responding to your comment and a comment made by meow85, which was only a few posts up. Others on this thread brought up the JW thing, not me.
Plus, if you know anything about my posting history, you'll see that I post in just about all the forums. I'm not hung up about Prince being one of Jehovah's Witnesses, but you seem to be bothered by it somewhat. No offense taken, btw.
My point was that just as you say we can't assume he's always telling the truth, you too cannot assume he's lying. Your argument that "people who embrace spirituality in a specific way must be doing it out of some sort of guilt" is prejudiced and judgemental. It's been pointed out before that Prince has always been interested in spiritual things, but hey, you could be right. I guess you'd have to talk to him to really know for sure.
And yes, many folks here will give him the benefit of the doubt when he says something. I give people the benefit of the doubt all the time. I don't know, I would just rather respect a man and take him for his word than sit and stress over whether I'm being lied to (when it comes to things that are not even all that crucial). Is that a crime? My bad. I must have forgotten how "cool" it is to be skeptical about Prince and his intentions.

i think we shouldn't argue about this. We're only talking about what we think.So, everybody has a different perception, maybe we're right or wrong, but just oppinion. no need to fight

OdysseyMiles said:

I seem "bothered" by it? How so? Are you assuming that about me? I'm sure you are not as you have made it clear that you don't like assumptions.

The fact is I am not bothered by his being JW past the fact that I don't think his religion needs to be brought up ad nauseum and into every type of discussion (which is often what it seems like around here). His religion is his business and it's his life to do as he wishes in terms of how he worships God.



No, that been my experience WITH SOME PEOPLE. Ive seen it happen with my own eyes.

I'm not saying EVERYONE is that way, so please don't put words in my mouth. I have never, at any time, used such a broadbrush generalization about how or why **all** people come to embrace any certain religion. As a sidenote, though, are you saying NO ONE has EVER become spiritual or immersed themselves in a particular religion due to their feelings of guilt or angst about their past, or as a way to atone for said past?



I agree with that



As I said to you once before on another thread, that's good that you are so willing to give the benefit of the doubt. I can appreciate that.

And MY personal "skepticism" about what Prince says isn't to be "cool" - maybe others around here think it's cool to be that way, but I'm merely stating MY THOUGHTS.

I've been a Prince fan and in the Prince community for a long, long time. After seeing FOR MYSELF, and experiencing FOR MYSELF, and hearing FOR MYSELF - both directly and indirectly - how Prince has manipulated the facts and/or been less than candid and honest about certain things....yeah, I don't believe something immediately just because he says so. Especially when his actions in a given situation IN MY OPINION seem to demonstrate to the opposite.

The bottom line of this whole discussion was just that I think it's funny when people use "Prince said so" or "Prince said so in an interview" to "prove" that something is fact or true. Over the years I've come to not take that as definitive evidence of anything because Prince HAS said many things that weren't true in an effort to create the image he wants people to have of him.

And hey if someone else chooses to believe him unconditionally and completely, go ahead. But I'll counter that stance if I feel like it and people can counter my opinion back, too.

TimCalhoun said:

how do u know so much about P???

'Do You Think Prince Is Ashamed Of His Past?'


okay ...so ashamed of what got him to wher he is today ?


you seen the man ?

does he look or act ashamed of himself ?

i say

NOT

preciosa863 said:

Did I say I did?

I don't even know what you're trying to ask in relation to the quoted comment.

AsianBoi777 said:

This is so funny bcuz one time in gym class, we had to do a sit up test. And, like normal people we all had to have someone hold our feet down. Mike Arredondo was holding my feet, and...well...do I need to continue. The whole class hear it reverberate in the gym. The funniest part is that he never got up from holding my feet, he toughed it out like a true soldier.


I regret that this happened but I still get a good laugh at it. I've told this story more than once and it always gets a good laugh.
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laurarichardson said:

But it is odd for someone who seemed like he could think on his own to allow someone else to dictate who and what God is. Has Prince always been religious and used Christian imagery? Of course. But he also used to have hos own ideas
too. I just can't comprehend why anyone would think they need to belong to a particular religion in order to be "saved".

andyman91 said:

If he didn't like the lyrics anymore, maybe he shouldn't have been singing the songs at all.

I would imagine that there must be a few things in his past that he regrets.

OdysseyMiles said:

The fact that it's JW doesn't mean anything to me -it could be any organized religion. I don't understand why anyone thinks they need religion to get on God's good side.

AsianBomb777 said: