DorothyParkerWasCool said:

You misspelled "ignant".

squirrelgrease said:

You're right I did...didn't catch that...but u got the point; your post was still IGNORANT.

Name Elvis type Songs By Prince.
>Delirous
>Horny Toad
Any Else.....?

Name an Elvis Song Prince should Do.
>Suspicious Minds
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Damn Elvis sampling and stealing music. He should come back again and steal some more music.

Elvis was bad in his day, anyone with an musical since knows that, and Prince has lots of it, I know P respects Elvis, as an entertainer not as a musician, Elvis was just a singer and entertainer, not a true musician like P. P will never go out like Elvis, fat and out of shape.

10 seconds on google shows the supposed Elvis comment is an urban legend

http://www.snopes.com/mus...esley1.asp

The "dead like Elvis" line in Face Down is actually a sample from an unreleased Poet 99 track recorded in around 1989 I think.

Just some useless trivia for you. I think he used that line cos he liked the sample, simple as that.

bkw said:

it's funny though how people here go absolutely nuts over something
like this and make up their own story as they go along. at the end
of a thread the outcome is mostly hilarious and absolutely wrong.

then, a month or so later, that same wrong outcome is posted again
as fact at the beginning of yet another thread. the fabrications
have than become "fact".

Most of you people defending Elvis are a Trip and a half. He said it, (there is no proof) Give me a break, he said it, Back in the 60's when James Brown did I'm Black and I'm Proud, Elvis did a song in concert, SAy it loud I'm white and I'm, proud.

Prince does a song and says Abraham Lincoln was a Racist, and a lot of white folks call him a racist, he's against white people etc. Why do white people run from the truth, Elvis didn't care for Blacks, period. Live with it, Hell when The beatles came here, they asked them who was their favorite american singer, John said, James Brown and the reporter said who is James Brown? Black people didn't matter to most whites, was not important, and anything they did that was important, somebody white stole it and got paid and got the credit for it. Why don't you people living in Egypt (de nile) just shut up, you sound like fools. He did say it.

With "Rock 'n Roll Is Still Alive" he was reacting on the song "Rock 'n Roll Is Dead" by Lenny Kravitz.

Prince doesn't hate Elvis. He once even mentioned Elvis as an example for his live performances, like James Brown was an example for the same.

jazzy328is said:

You really need to learn how to argue your point instead of just putting those down who don't agree with you and insisting that you needn't give any proof. Something isn't true just because you believe it to be so.

RipHer2Shreds said:

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You know what Elvis may have changed as he got older but if you think the Elvis of the Jim Crow South of the 1950's was singing the prises of black people publicly you are living in a dream world.

RipHer2Shreds said:

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Well of course black people brought his records. We buy rap music and the rappers do nothing but degrad themselves and the African-American communinty.

African-Americans are so use to being put down in this country that we are numb to it. Elvis being white and racist comments would not have stopped us from buying his records.

laurarichardson said:

You continue to argue the same point without reading what I posted. The radio interview I listened to was indeed from the 1950s, and guess what? He was singing the praises (or prises, take your pick) of black music in the 1950s.

mozfonky said:

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"there are times when black folks just flat out imagine shit"

yes, black people imagined the "Jim Crow south", lynchings, "KKK", Castrations and Slavery.

None of this shit happend it was all in our minds. You need to get to the public libary immediatly and do some reading.

laurarichardson said:

I'm not arguing against that. I'm simply saying his music reached a lot of people - not just white Americans. We can argue whether or not he was a bigot, but his musical content was not in any way.

Fleshofmyflesh said:

That was my sentiment exactly,,,WTF!!!


Let me just say that I am a fan of Elvis. Even have a rare collection of trading cards. BUT the man WAS racist amongst other things. It still doesn't take away from his talents.

R-kelly is a peeing pedophile, but he can still sing better than most artist out there.
[Edited 12/22/04 7:35am]

RipHer2Shreds said:

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Singing the praises of black musicians has nothing to do with Elvis being a bigot. Lot's of white people purchased black music in the 50's. That does not mean they wanted blacks to have equal rights. Elvis was a product of the Jim Crow South. My guess is he made racist statements all the time, enjoyed RnB music and employed blacks at Graceland. It does not mean he was free of bigotry.

You just will not acknowledge the time that Elvis came from.

laurarichardson said:

Actually, I did just that; I never said he was free of bigotry. You should re-read my posts. You seem to be trying to make a point and painting me as a fool who's ignorant of how the south was in the 1950s. I grew up in the South. I know racism existed there and still exists everywhere in this country. Your train of thought is to paint everyone that came out of that era and location as a racist. It's simply not true.

I think I've argued my point with facts. You have not. I'm not saying Elvis was definitively not a bigot. If you'd take the time to actually read what I said, you'd see that. You've just not argued your point well at all. I've given you a fact about Elvis and you counter it with a notion about that time in general. That doesn't mean everyone subscribed to that notion. To continue this discussion would be pointless, because people's minds - including my own - are already made up on this. I'm certainly not going to be the one to change them.

Elvis was so collosal that no one knew what to make of him in the early days. Hence, there were all kinds of rumours. Some going way back to his boyhood that Elvis was actually part black, and as he got into entertainment, that he was passing for white. They say he shot his mother, that he stuffed his pants with a garden hose for tv, (the real reason sullivan shot him from the shoulders up) and so forth. That he was gay,etc.. Most of these had no truth to them, Either way, he's good enough for Prince though and remained a touchstone for him since the early days.

Fleshofmyflesh said:

co-sign. i loved elvis b4 i had any worldly comprehension of what "obsessive" ment. but that's not the point.

I think if Prince was around in Elvis' day, EP would've ripped him off almost every record Prince put out and the only thing the kids would hear was EP's version. That's essentially what happened to Little Richard, Chuck Berry, and countless other black artists in the day.

WapoWan said:

Aroo? If you're talking about the Aladdin DVD concert, where does he do James? I remember him goofing on Ozzy Osbourne, but not James.

Fleshofmyflesh said:

Well, gosh, it's not like him to want to bag on someone, eh? He did it to Michael Jackson, so why are you surprised to see this? It's like when MJ dissed Donny Osmond on the Carol Burnett Show. LOL

poetbear68 said:

MJ dissed Donnnnny??? Whaaaaahhhhhtttt? That bastard!
Just proves he likes to fuck little kids in the ass.

..nevermind
[Edited 12/23/04 23:40pm]

Hello everyone at the org. been lurking here for a couple of years, and this is going to be my first post...be gentle.
I've got to say that I love this topic because I am a huge fan of both Prince and Elvis. And the things I like about them are very similar. They both did music that defied any sort of classification during the peaks of their careers. The both shattered not only racial but gender barriers. And they both tore it up on stage through out their careers.

But one seems to be at issue in this thread is racism. I am a little shocked to hear people say that everyone in the fifties had to be racist. If that was the case things would be even worse in this country than they are. I always find it upsetting to see racism from anyone, black white or the rainbow in between. There is no escaping the racist past of America. Period. There it is we are a nation ofpredjudiced people. Unfortunately that is the way it is. But that doesnt mean everyone is a racist. The Jim Crow south doesn't make everyone in the south a racist, the riots in LA doesn't mean every person of color is gonna cave in some truckers skull with a brick. But like the man himself said in "race" what are we gaining by only looking at that part of our history. And like another man said "If I can dream of a better land, where all my brother walk hand in hand, why Can't my dream come true?" Elvis "If I can Dream, 1968.)

Now to some cold hard facts. Presley recorded his first commercial work in 1954, Toured throughout the south where he was an outrageous success because NO ONE had heard anything like what he was putting out at the time. Chuck Berry and Little Richard both recorded their essential music after Presley was all over the air waves and the music they recorded after Elvis' success was far different than what the recorded before July 54 when Elvis first commercial single was released. Not point this out to in anyway to undermine the importance of either of these musical geniuses, just feel it important to put it all into context.
The biggest differences between Elvis, Chuck, and Little Richard is that Elvis ALWAYS acknowledged his influences both black and white and Chuck and Little Richard would have the world believe the created in a vacuum. Where is the theivery happening?

Culture is not genetic or racial it is environmental. The idea that if you take two people raised in the deep south, dirt poor sharecroppers, ostrecized from society and that based on the color of their skin one is a theif and the other a genius, that is in itself a racist notion.

Me personally I would rather put color aside and be part a new power generation.

Peace ya'll.

excuse the many typos in the previous post, just got home from end of semester celebrating.

kalelvisj said:

Good points. Thank you.

There has never been any proof that Elvis was racist. That alleged comment that Elvis made was made up by a black magazine way back. All of their so called evidence was B.S. Redd Foxx was not a friend of Elvis', they only met a couple times in Vegas.

The Sweet Inspirations backed him up in concert. A racist would not do that. In Houston, the rednecks down there didn't want them on stage with Elvis but Elvis said if The Sweets couldn't appear than he wouldn't be appearing. The rednecks changed their minds.

Darlene Love claims she made out with Elvis in his trailer on the sets of one of his movies.

The guy from Public Enemy has since taken back what he said about Elvis because he actually did some research on him and realized he was wrong. Said his favorite Elvis tune was Suspicious Minds.

Prince is a fan of Elvis'. He talked about growing up on his movies when he was young and he has covered his tunes in concert.