lovemachine said:

Yes, and he´s also performed Jailhouse Rock in 1993 and several other times, gave him props during his concerts and I vaguely recall seeing some Elvis books at Paisley Park ( Celebration 02).
Maybe it´s because Elvis is or was a prime example how the industry exploited and destroyed a legend...kind of like the opposite of Prince.
But saying he hates Elvis isn´t fair, it´s close to slander.I don´t think he HATES Elvis.

Fleshofmyflesh said:

Its not supposed to be funny. Its just an analogy. It fits with the rythmn, it flows off the tongue... He could have used any dead person I suppose, but in keeping with the rock n roll theme, the music theme, he chose elvis... I suppose he could have said

'dead like...
... Joplin
... Hendrix
... Moon
... Lennon
... Liberache' etc etc...

But dead like Elvis fits well... He was the king, he was a HUGE star and now he is, in fact, dead...

Anyway, I think that bit is a sample...
[Edited 12/16/04 5:03am]

At the musicology concert I went to he began to play Elvis and then he stopped and said, " I can't play the King, for I, I am just...a Prince!!!"

chickengrease said:

co-

FunkyStrange said:

The king of what?

Fleshofmyflesh said:

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Then why did Elvis say the "only thing a black man can do for me is buy my records and shine my shoes."

Redd Foxx who was good friends with Elvis said that Elvis admitted saying this but, explained that he had grown-up and changed his views. Which is fine and dandy but, it is not going to win him any awards around black folks.

WapoWan said:

I was just watching that DVD and he didn't make fun of James Brown he gave him respect. Now he did make fun of Ozzie Osbourne. I think that is what you are referring too.

Peace

squirrelgrease said:

That's just bullshit , calling him a racist!
Public Enemy are fools !


ELVIS RULES



(hey that rhymed)

laurarichardson said:

and there it is

Fleshofmyflesh said:

Prince isn't trashing Elvis in Face Down - he's trashing the industry in the way they treated Elvis and the way they were treating him.

I always took the line "You have to be a Prince before you can be King" (which comes from My Name is Prince, as a shot at Michael Jackson.

Dewrede said:[quote]

squirrelgrease said:

That's just bullshit , calling him a racist!
Public Enemy are fools !

Indeed!!!

Unfortunately, racism thrives and some people actually believe shit like that.

Deminarcotix said:

That's just wrong. I'm not a virgin, woman, or homosexual and I think Elvis was a great entertainer, great personality, and I love his early records.

And people did love him as a fat man too.

Fleshofmyflesh said:

WapoWan said:

I think he's just kidding.
Have you seen Prince's concert in Las Vegas. He impersonates James Brown as senile old man.
Thats his sense of humor I guess



But to say FaceDown, DeadLikeElvis?
I just don't see how that's funny.


Its not supposed to be funny. Its just an analogy. It fits with the rythmn, it flows off the tongue... He could have used any dead person I suppose, but in keeping with the rock n roll theme, the music theme, he chose elvis... I suppose he could have said

'dead like...
... Joplin
... Hendrix
... Moon
... Lennon
... Liberache' etc etc...

But dead like Elvis fits well... He was the king, he was a HUGE star and now he is, in fact, dead...

Anyway, I think that bit is a sample...
[Edited 12/16/04 5:03am]


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78% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

DEAD LIKE.....
.....Morrison
.....Kobain
.....Garcia (4 the deadheads)
.....Sinatra
.....KENNY (u bastards!!)

Deminarcotix said:

If you don't like "Suspicious Minds" you must be
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kisscamille said:[quote]

Dewrede said:

Um,, whether public enemy are fools or not, Elvis WAS a racist, but not as much as John Wayne. He was also very sexist.

But non of that takes away from his talents . I don't have to like the man to appreciate his music. I seriously doubt prince hates Elvis. He wouldn't dare play live covers of elvis if he hated him.

Dewrede said:

ment.






Actually its not bullshit at all and Public Enemy are not fools. Elvis is quoted as saying the only things a black man can do for him is "buy my records and shine my shoes." Now I don't know what your definition for a racist statement is but this is one such statement.

Peace

It seemed pretty obvious that Prince's in the round acoustic part of the concert showed an awarness of another royal's comeback concert.

He looked like Elvis in that white polka dot getup, & in the LA concert he wore black like Elvis did in the acoustic part of his comeback concert.

And, of course, he sang that bit of Jailhouse Rock.

Though, no doubt, Prince thinks of himself as far more talented!

chiltonmusic said:

That quote has been disputed also. There hasn't been solid proof that he said that, but I believe he did since he also didn't want black musicians to play in his band, His justification was that a lot of black musicians can't read music.

um, neither could he. But the topic was whether prince hates him, I seriously doubt he does.

Deminarcotix said:

To each his own but Elvis is in the history of american music for good reason, his impact was second to none. Nobody is going to repeat his victory anytime soon. You are free to your opinion though.

Actually its not bullshit at all and Public Enemy are not fools. Elvis is quoted as saying the only things a black man can do for him is "buy my records and shine my shoes." Now I don't know what your definition for a racist statement is but this is one such statement.

Peace[/quote]

Actually, the story of Elvis saying this are impossible to confirm or deny, I read in "Last Train to Memphis" that this statement was reputedly overheard by a black bellhop in Boston, forgetting the fact that Elvis never actually went to Boston. I put it in with the urban myth category. Black folks want to think that shit and it has kept the thing alive. Chuck D admitted in his bio that Elvis was one of the greatest entertainers ever and was only taking a shot at the cult of Elvis. Truth is, if you want to dislike Elvis he had plenty of shortcomings as we all do, I doubt racism was one of them. In fact, his achievement was (along with all the early rockers) a forunner of the races coming closer together. Stories abound about him wandering the streats of memphis, playing black clubs and even driving the black girls crazy, they say he had a lot of fun on that side of town. As BB King says, "when they called him the king they didn't make a mistake."

Fleshofmyflesh said:

To start with, I think the reason people never put them in the same breath is because, people are not looking for Prince to copy Elvis, it seems kind of unlikely, however, Prince has always been very eclectic and has stolen from everyone. He's the best historian of american music and dance that you will find. Anyway, if you check Delerious, you will hear a quirky Rockabilly style full of Elvis mannerisms, and even on Jack U Off. The pole he would go down on the 1999 tour was from Jailhouse rock. The black leather suit he wears in Purple Rain is from Elvis' 68 special. Then you go with the moves, During his concert versions of let's go crazy, he looks a lot like Elvis in his early tv appearances. If you watch his Prince and The Revolution Live, you will see a few brief vintage Elvis moves, (and even Jerry Lee Lewis and Little Richard during the piano segue.) The fact is Elvis is and will always be the archetype of the rocker, mysterious, lonely, brooding, inarticulate, natively talented. As I watched Prince this summer as he was leaving the stage, he again did a variation of Elvis' latter stage exits, he would point to the crowd, then point to himself and shake his head and point towards the heavens. It was his version of the same move, Elvis did it half stoned on his last tours, Prince, learning from history, seemed to imply that the ego is a destructive thing and he learned some of this from the king.

How is "You have to become a Prince before your King anyway" meant to be a refernce to MJ. I never got that . Is it because MJ started calling himself the King of Pop at that time??

player said:

That's what I always figured.

Universaluv said:

That goes back to My Name is Prince, where he & Tony make the king comments, and (in my opinion) Prince mocks MJ "I ain't saying I'm better, whoo! no better than you, huh!" and lots more "dah's" and "uh's."

Elvis was a fluke. Additionally, he stole 99.99% of his work. Mother F@#! him and John Wayne!!!

You're talking bollocks

PureOne said:

What's with all this nonsense he stole his music ?!

Dewrede said:

A lot of black people (and white people I suppose) are angry because Elvis took a style of music that was predominantly black and cashed in big time. I personally don't look at it that way because everyone borrows ideas from everyone when it comes to music.