theAudience said: rudeboynpg said: Temptation, She's Always In My Hair, The Ride Lots more psychedelic blues/rock songs from Prince. Also, Prince is funky, Hendrix nooooo! You can dance to Prince ,Hendrix nooooo!
1st of all, the thread topic was not about who is better (a rather pointless and ridiculous exercise), but influences. In terms of Hendrix and funk... Fire, Foxey Lady, Stone Free, Wait Until Tomorrow, Little Miss Lover, Crosstown Traffic, Voodoo Child (Slight Return), etc. If you can't feel the funk in those tunes, your knowledge of funk must be incredibly stunted. Again i'll have to consult the great American philosopher Homey D. Clown... ... Hendrix not funky? "I don't think so." tA Tribal Disorder http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm Just listening to "Little Miss Lover" right now and that sounds pretty damn funky to me. "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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minneapolisgenius said: Just listening to "Little Miss Lover" right now and that sounds pretty damn funky to me. Thanks mg, help a brother out here. Do you catch the similarities in groove between Little Miss Lover and Me and Baby Brother by War? tA Tribal Disorder http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm "Ya see, we're not interested in what you know...but what you are willing to learn. C'mon y'all." | |
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theAudience said: minneapolisgenius said: Just listening to "Little Miss Lover" right now and that sounds pretty damn funky to me. Thanks mg, help a brother out here. Do you catch the similarities in groove between Little Miss Lover and Me and Baby Brother by War? tA Tribal Disorder http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm I never thought about it before. Now I'll have to go listen to it, but I can't at the moment because it's back in Holland. Now I'm curious though because that's sort of become my obsession lately: (besides JP ) listening and looking for influences and similarities in artists music, and who did it first, etc. "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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theAudience said: rudeboynpg said: Prince looked to James Brown, Sly & the Family Stone and George Clinton for the funk influence.
Aye matey there's the rub. But Jimi PLAYED with Wilson Pickett, Little Richard, King Curtis, Isley Brothers, Ike and Tina Turner and others for his. tA Tribal Disorder http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm True! Prince and Hendrix are awesome! Peace! Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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ive always felt i was missing out not being in2 jim..but i just cant dig him..ive tried..
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minneapolisgenius said: I never thought about it before. Now I'll have to go listen to it, but I can't at the moment because it's back in Holland. Now I'm curious though because that's sort of become my obsession lately: (besides JP ) listening and looking for influences and similarities in artists music, and who did it first, etc. Check out a sample of it on cduniverse or allmusic. tA Tribal Disorder http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm "Ya see, we're not interested in what you know...but what you are willing to learn. C'mon y'all." | |
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jonylawson said: ive always felt i was missing out not being in2 jim..but i just cant dig him..ive tried..
any recomendations? Before I make a suggestion, what is it about his music you don't like? tA Tribal Disorder http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm "Ya see, we're not interested in what you know...but what you are willing to learn. C'mon y'all." | |
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theAudience said: minneapolisgenius said: I never thought about it before. Now I'll have to go listen to it, but I can't at the moment because it's back in Holland. Now I'm curious though because that's sort of become my obsession lately: (besides JP ) listening and looking for influences and similarities in artists music, and who did it first, etc. Check out a sample of it on cduniverse or allmusic. tA Tribal Disorder http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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jonylawson said: ive always felt i was missing out not being in2 jim..but i just cant dig him..ive tried..
any recomendations? If your a Prince fan start with The Power Of Soul Hendrix tribute CD (Prince is rockin' Purple House.) Electric Ladyland CD and Axis :Bold As Love. Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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I love the song Long Hot Summer Night on Electric Ladyland. Hendrix is singing falsetto. Prince fans should hear that! Hendrix was a big influence on Prince. Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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jonylawson said: ive always felt i was missing out not being in2 jim..but i just cant dig him..ive tried..
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minneapolisgenius said: theAudience said: 1st of all, the thread topic was not about who is better (a rather pointless and ridiculous exercise), but influences. In terms of Hendrix and funk... Fire, Foxey Lady, Stone Free, Wait Until Tomorrow, Little Miss Lover, Crosstown Traffic, Voodoo Child (Slight Return), etc. If you can't feel the funk in those tunes, your knowledge of funk must be incredibly stunted. Again i'll have to consult the great American philosopher Homey D. Clown... ... Hendrix not funky? "I don't think so." tA Tribal Disorder http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm Just listening to "Little Miss Lover" right now and that sounds pretty damn funky to me. my kinda people.... ever notice that prince USED the intro drum beat sample from little misss lover for tick tick bang off of the graffiti bridge album...??? they both rock like crazy...but NEVER NEVER NEVER come out yo face and say jimi aint the MAN !!!!! | |
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In terms of Hendrix and funk... Fire, Foxey Lady, Stone Free, Wait Until Tomorrow, Little Miss Lover, Crosstown Traffic, Voodoo Child (Slight Return), etc. If you can't feel the funk in those tunes, your knowledge of funk must be incredibly stunted. "Wait Until Tomorrow" is one of my favorite Jimi Hendrix songs and is most definately funky. Another funky one I love is "Gypsy Eyes". [Edited 12/12/04 19:02pm] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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GertjandeR said: Ifsixwuz9 said: I don't think there anything wrong with Prince being partial to Carlos over Jimi. He might just like the way Santana's plays better. Nothing wrong with that. That doesn't mean he disrepects Jimi. I don't think he wanted to be compared to him just because they both happen to be black and play guitar. (Which is just what a lot of media types were doing at the time.) Especially when he was just getting started in the business. He wanted to make a name for himself and put his own little stamp on the muscial landscape. Just imagine if he came out claiming to want to pick up where Jimi left off, he'd have come off looking like a real jackass like Terrance Trent D'Arby did when he compared himself to the Beatles and Prince when he first got into the business. And to be honest Prince sounds better covering Santana songs than he does Jimi. He and Santana have similar styles.
First of all you've got to get the facts right. Terence Trent D'Arby never claimed to be better than the Beatles, Prince or anyone else. His recordcompany at that time (Sony) announced him as the new Prince, he had nothing to do with that. Sananda (TTD) always was very open about the musicians he admired. Prince and The Beatles are also among them, together with Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Miles Davis, Jimi Hendrix, James Brown, George Clinton, Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, David Bowie and lots of others. I agree with you when you say he was quite arrogant in his early days, but hey, Prince still is an arrogant bastard. That doesn't say anything about Prince's music does it?!!! Prince still is one of the best musicians ever. The onely thing Sananda said he probably shouldn't have said was that he would become bigger than Madonna. Coming back at the real issue. Listening to the way Prince plays the guitar it's obvious he is influenced by Jimi, but so are most guitarplayers of these days, the best anyway. There's no denying Jimi was the best of his time, much better than Santana. That doesn't mean Santana wasn't good, he was, just not as good as Jimi. I believe Prince also feels that way, he probably denies that because he's fed up with all comparisations. I hardly hear Santana's guitarrifs in Prince's music, I hear a lot of Jimi's guitarrifs in Princes music, nothing wrong with that. It's a fact Prince is influenced by a lot of musicians like George Clinton, Sly and The Family Stone, Bootsy, James Brown, Miles Davis, Santana, Bach etc. Jimi is one of them. Every musician is influenced by artists that were there before him/her. That's the only way music can develop. Jimi also had his influences. Besides all that, don't forget the means Jimi had acces to weren't as developed as the means Prince has acces to. All instruments are improved compared to Jimi's years, when Jimi would have been alive these days he'd probabily still kick Prince's ass on the guitar. And I do believe Prince is a great guitar player, one of the best alive. But we're talking about Jimi here!!! About Jimi's voice, I love his voice. When it comes to music it's all a matter of taste, but when it comes to great musicianship it comes to knowledge. Prince is a great musician, so is Sananda (TTD) and Santana is also a great musician. Jimi is one of the best ever. When you want to talk about great musicianship, make sure you know what you're talking about. It annoys me people talking about great musicianship while they talk about taste instead. Those two things are very different. There are lots of musicians of whom I don't like the music they make, that doesn't mean they aren't any good as musicians, it's just not my cup of tea. There are also lots of songs I do like, but the musicianship is crap (only able to play three accords). Whoa, hold on you're responding to me about things I didn't even comment on. First, TTD did do an interview back in the day where he made the comment that he would be bigger than The Beatles and Prince. Second, why would he compare himself to friggin' Madonna? Third, I never said anyting about TTD's music, so why are you blathering on about his musicianship. I happen to like some of his albums. Furthermore, I never said Prince wasn't influenced by Jimi. I said there was nothing wrong with him being partial to Carlos Santana. I have more than a few Santana albums and Hendrix albums and I hear a lot Santna's style of guitar playing in Prince's style, "Blues For Salvador" comes to mind. And, I think my post was more than clear on what I was and was not commenting on. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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wish i knew how to post a pic here that i have of jimi...looking sorta little richard like...but sorta prince like too....we all know that apples dont fall far from tree's [Edited 12/12/04 19:38pm] | |
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prettymansson said: wish i knew how to post a pic here that i have of jimi...
1. Find the pic you want to post. 2. Right-click on it and select "Properties". 3. Copy what appears to the right of "Address:" (makes sure it ends in either .jpg or .gif) 4. Paste it into your post/reply. 5. Left-click and select the picture's "Address" you just pasted into your post/reply. 6. Click the "Img" button at the top of the text screen. (your picture's address should now be surrounded by [img] and [/img]) 7. Done tA Tribal Disorder http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm "Ya see, we're not interested in what you know...but what you are willing to learn. C'mon y'all." | |
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Wow ! Amazing how comparison's and favourites can cause such dissent in the ranks
Couple of my favourite tracks from Jimi are : CASTLES MADE OF SAND , & LITTLE WING . They aren't Funky, but i love 'em. I think it should be considered that Hendrix died at age 27 , God knows what he would have ended up doing ... Could have ended up playing in "Return to Forever", or a similar Jazz Rock based band. That's where he wanted to go with Band of Gypsy's.(Jazz); or doing elevator music...Like Jimmy Page. I'm serious Page , from Led Zeppelin , stairway to heaven (()) fame has worked for many years making elevator music ! The positive thing to come out of this thread for me is; ; what a fantastic time to be alive , hearing so many great musicians taking their Art to the peak of it's limitations, and then some ... ~PClinuxOS~ I've been here longer than I care to remember, ... I drop in from time to time, ... | |
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theAudience said: prettymansson said: wish i knew how to post a pic here that i have of jimi...
1. Find the pic you want to post. 2. Right-click on it and select "Properties". 3. Copy what appears to the right of "Address:" (makes sure it ends in either .jpg or .gif) 4. Paste it into your post/reply. 5. Left-click and select the picture's "Address" you just pasted into your post/reply. 6. Click the "Img" button at the top of the text screen. (your picture's address should now be surrounded by [img] and [/img]) 7. Done tA Tribal Disorder http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm thank u...always wondered about that....goodnight from new york... | |
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Prince could never be as proficient at playing guitar as Hendrix in the style of Hendrix. At the same time, Hendrix would never have been as proficient as Prince in the style of Prince. And this could be said about any of the 'great' guitar players.
Hendrix is deemed the greatest guitarist not because of his proficiency on the guitar, but because of what he pioneered and the style he created. What he did on the guitar paved the way for the future and created a whole new genre of guitar music. Thats what makes him the 'greatest'. But if he were alive today I am sure he would be the first to admit that he could never do what, say, slash can do on a guitar, or what Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Brian May or any other great guitarist can do. Its about style and influence, not proficiency... Hendrix was indeed a great. But there have been many greats since who are probably better, but they will all say Hendrix was the greatest... And rightly so. | |
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And what about the fact that Jimi never liked to sing 'till he heard Dylan...
(Dylan haters might say:that's cuz Dylan can't sing,but that's not true.Ask Jimi...) So everybody's influenced by anybody! And are the Hendrix lovers forgetting Robert Johnson?Or maybe Andres Segovia? Jimi lovers usually seem to forget that he wasn't the only brilliant one on guitar....What about Jeff Beck?.....Paco De Lucia?.....Rosenberg?....Zappa?... And remember:What about those millions shredding strings that we never get to hear of??!!!I bet there's about thousands of unknown talents that would make your jaw drop! Oh,anybody knew Billy Gibbons(zz top)received a guitar as a gift from Jimi? He was that impressed by him!Listen to him,you'll get it... | |
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Ifsixwuz9 said: GertjandeR said: First of all you've got to get the facts right. Terence Trent D'Arby never claimed to be better than the Beatles, Prince or anyone else. His recordcompany at that time (Sony) announced him as the new Prince, he had nothing to do with that. Sananda (TTD) always was very open about the musicians he admired. Prince and The Beatles are also among them, together with Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Miles Davis, Jimi Hendrix, James Brown, George Clinton, Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, David Bowie and lots of others. I agree with you when you say he was quite arrogant in his early days, but hey, Prince still is an arrogant bastard. That doesn't say anything about Prince's music does it?!!! Prince still is one of the best musicians ever. The onely thing Sananda said he probably shouldn't have said was that he would become bigger than Madonna. Coming back at the real issue. Listening to the way Prince plays the guitar it's obvious he is influenced by Jimi, but so are most guitarplayers of these days, the best anyway. There's no denying Jimi was the best of his time, much better than Santana. That doesn't mean Santana wasn't good, he was, just not as good as Jimi. I believe Prince also feels that way, he probably denies that because he's fed up with all comparisations. I hardly hear Santana's guitarrifs in Prince's music, I hear a lot of Jimi's guitarrifs in Princes music, nothing wrong with that. It's a fact Prince is influenced by a lot of musicians like George Clinton, Sly and The Family Stone, Bootsy, James Brown, Miles Davis, Santana, Bach etc. Jimi is one of them. Every musician is influenced by artists that were there before him/her. That's the only way music can develop. Jimi also had his influences. Besides all that, don't forget the means Jimi had acces to weren't as developed as the means Prince has acces to. All instruments are improved compared to Jimi's years, when Jimi would have been alive these days he'd probabily still kick Prince's ass on the guitar. And I do believe Prince is a great guitar player, one of the best alive. But we're talking about Jimi here!!! About Jimi's voice, I love his voice. When it comes to music it's all a matter of taste, but when it comes to great musicianship it comes to knowledge. Prince is a great musician, so is Sananda (TTD) and Santana is also a great musician. Jimi is one of the best ever. When you want to talk about great musicianship, make sure you know what you're talking about. It annoys me people talking about great musicianship while they talk about taste instead. Those two things are very different. There are lots of musicians of whom I don't like the music they make, that doesn't mean they aren't any good as musicians, it's just not my cup of tea. There are also lots of songs I do like, but the musicianship is crap (only able to play three accords). Whoa, hold on you're responding to me about things I didn't even comment on. First, TTD did do an interview back in the day where he made the comment that he would be bigger than The Beatles and Prince. Second, why would he compare himself to friggin' Madonna? Third, I never said anyting about TTD's music, so why are you blathering on about his musicianship. I happen to like some of his albums. Furthermore, I never said Prince wasn't influenced by Jimi. I said there was nothing wrong with him being partial to Carlos Santana. I have more than a few Santana albums and Hendrix albums and I hear a lot Santna's style of guitar playing in Prince's style, "Blues For Salvador" comes to mind. And, I think my post was more than clear on what I was and was not commenting on. The only part I meant as a reply to yours was the part about TTD. It was his recordcompany and not himself for sure. Like said before I agree with you about the fact he was an arrogant person back in the days. The rest of my post wasn't a reaction on yours, I thought I made it clear by starting with "getting back to the issue". I was reacting on other things written before and by others, when you read the first part it is obvious I was responding to what you commented on. | |
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FLUX said: or doing elevator music...Like Jimmy Page. I'm serious Page , from Led Zeppelin , stairway to heaven (()) fame has worked for many years making elevator music !
What elevator music has Page done over the years? To my knowledge, he hasn't done much in the way of recording except for a few albums here and there (not including the Page and Plant collaboration "Walking Into Clarksdale") like the David Coverdale album in the early 90s, the Deathwish II soundtrack, Outrider, and his short stint with The Firm. Do you have some secret knowledge about his "other" recording habits that us fans aren't aware of? "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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theAudience said: Lennon said: Ok, maybe (i said maybe) you're right..but Jimi's voice SUCKS BIG TIME!!!
He's commented publicly that he hated the sound of his voice and never claimed to be a singer. But his vocals fit the musical soundscapes he created. It's just part of the package. It's my opinion that the comical Bootsy vocal persona has a page taken from Hendrix. I know you're not gonna claim John Lennon was a great singer. Ok, and again i have to admit you are kind of right overhere... Indeed John Lennon isn't a great singer (or wasn't) but the combination of his lyrics, his sound and music makes it one!! And I do respect Jimi hendriz as an artist, just never liked his songs (because of his voice) So, i'll take back his voice sucks... It is just not my thing..... Well done Theaudience.... you brought me to my senses [Edited 12/13/04 11:41am] the beautiful ones, you always seem to loose | |
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minneapolisgenius said: FLUX said: or doing elevator music...Like Jimmy Page. I'm serious Page , from Led Zeppelin , stairway to heaven (()) fame has worked for many years making elevator music !
What elevator music has Page done over the years? To my knowledge, he hasn't done much in the way of recording except for a few albums here and there (not including the Page and Plant collaboration "Walking Into Clarksdale") like the David Coverdale album in the early 90s, the Deathwish II soundtrack, Outrider, and his short stint with The Firm. Do you have some secret knowledge about his "other" recording habits that us fans aren't aware of? Yeh, as a session musician,Page was hired to do all sorts of stuff. In the off periods you mentioned, he actually churned out a load of 'Musac'. ~PClinuxOS~ I've been here longer than I care to remember, ... I drop in from time to time, ... | |
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theAudience said: Ifsixwuz9 said: I don't think there anything wrong with Prince being partial to Carlos over Jimi. He might just like the way Santana's plays better. Nothing wrong with that. That doesn't mean he disrepects Jimi. I don't think he wanted to be compared to him just because they both happen to be black and play guitar. (Which is just what a lot of media types were doing at the time.) Especially when he was just getting started in the business. He wanted to make a name for himself and put his own little stamp on the muscial landscape. Just imagine if he came out claiming to want to pick up where Jimi left off, he'd have come off looking like a real jackass like Terrance Trent D'Arby did when he compared himself to the Beatles and Prince when he first got into the business. And to be honest Prince sounds better covering Santana songs than he does Jimi. He and Santana have similar styles. Agree with you 100% that his style is closer to Santana than Hendrix. Much more scalic and he doesn't have that slinky voodoo-blues vibe that Jimi does. The media does have a silly habit of comparing any black-guitarist to Hendrix. Lazy reporting if you ask me. My original post was based on the silly comment that was made. tA Tribal Disorder http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm Damn all this discrediting of incredible artists I think theres more than enough room for more than 2 black guitarists in a 40 year space of time. I personally see more of Santana's style in P... but there is a lil' Hendrix in the rudeboy of course. ANyone pickin up a guitar after him was pretty much spoiled... Dynamic Savior Said: Also, do you think that ugly people are God's cruel joke on humanity (like the platypus and the heterosexual) or another form of population control? | |
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I have had the pleasure of both musicians in my lifetime..
You cannot help but see alot of Jimi in Prince's guitar playing. And including his style of clothing in the 80's. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
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cinnamonjo said: theAudience said: Agree with you 100% that his style is closer to Santana than Hendrix. Much more scalic and he doesn't have that slinky voodoo-blues vibe that Jimi does. The media does have a silly habit of comparing any black-guitarist to Hendrix. Lazy reporting if you ask me. My original post was based on the silly comment that was made. tA Tribal Disorder http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm Damn all this discrediting of incredible artists I think theres more than enough room for more than 2 black guitarists in a 40 year space of time. I personally see more of Santana's style in P... but there is a lil' Hendrix in the rudeboy of course. ANyone pickin up a guitar after him was pretty much spoiled... 3 cheers 2 u...very wise words... | |
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Some peepz around here are talking about Jimi like he never did anything else than Rock and Blues. That aint true, he crossed much more musical styles.
I also hear a lot talking about Prince like he's only a Funk artist. You should give our man more credits, he released songs in almost every style of music there is. Some are Funk, most are funky but not neccesarly pure Funk. He's done a lot of songs combining Funk and Rock. They are/were both great artists. | |
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GertjandeR said: Some peepz around here are talking about Jimi like he never did anything else than Rock and Blues. That aint true, he crossed much more musical styles.
I also hear a lot talking about Prince like he's only a Funk artist. You should give our man more credits, he released songs in almost every style of music there is. Some are Funk, most are funky but not neccesarly pure Funk. He's done a lot of songs combining Funk and Rock. They are/were both great artists. Right on! Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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