jonylawson said:

good. lord. you can't possibly believe that?! jimi's beyond amazing. go buy an album & listen...hopefully that will change your narrow little mind.

Lennon said:

He's commented publicly that he hated the sound of his voice and never claimed to be a singer.
But his vocals fit the musical soundscapes he created. It's just part of the package.

It's my opinion that the comical Bootsy vocal persona has a page taken from Hendrix.

I know you're not gonna claim John Lennon was a great singer.

tA


Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm

theAudience said:

what's wrong with Jimi or John's singing? Maybe prince is more technically proficient a vocalist, but saying Prince is better than Hendrix or John Lenon, or any number of other legends is absolutely assinine. I can't think of a musician who made more of an impact in such a short career than Jimi. Prince isn't superior to all of his predecessors. What makes Prince great isn't that he's surpassed the greats of the past, but that he's synthesized different aspects of the past greats while still being himself. Prince is not the guitar player that Jimi was, the dancer that James Brown was, the Songwriter and producer that Stevie was or the bandleader/producer that George Clinton was, nor did he fuse R&B and rock in as revolutionary a way as sly did. Prince is a hybrid, but he isn't better than all the ingredients that make up his influences.
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prettymansson said:

co-fucking sign Once again, for anyone who hasn't heard this before: Prince is a bright star but he's not the sun. Inflating prince's value beyond that of his influences is just narrow-minded and stupid.

jacktheimprovident said:

yes, yes, YES!

jacktheimprovident said:

Additionally though: I'm not trying to insult anyone who prefers prince to hendrix, or anyone who considers prince their favorite artist. But to insult other artists and to claim prince's superiority to them, especially ones like jimi, sly, james, stevie etc. (the big four of this forum), is very presumptuous
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Prince didnt want to let people know that Hendrix was a big influence because he wanted to he seen as a original. So he said Carlos Santana was his influence on the guitar. Thats bullshit. Its so obviously Hendrix. Prince is just alot like Hendrix in style. Even the black and white groups. The Experince and The Revolution. Purple Rain is like Are You Experinced, Around The World In a Day is like Axis: Bold As Love with its beautiful storys (even the psychedelic cover art). Parade is like Electric Ladyland (Hendrix even sings falsetto on the song Long Hot Summer Night.) The end of The Experince band and the end of the Revolution. Electric Lady studios and Paisley Park studios.

jonylawson said:

Jimi

joking.....sorry

yeah, i've thought about that to. but i don't think he ripped off Jimi. as cool as Jimi is, he just doesn't compare to Prince. shit noone does.

jonylawson said:

dude it's okay don't be sorry

now you won't die!

jacktheimprovident said:

Your last sentence is absolute. I agree whole heartedly. The first part I have to comment on by saying: Does anyone realize that KURT COBAIN is considered to be legendary and influential? For all intense purposes he is a speck on the rock spectrum, but like almost every musician that kills him/herself they are instantly immortilizes and cannonized by the masses. Don't get me wrong, from what I hear on record Jimi was the guitar GOD (I was not born when he died) but I have never even seen the guy play live so I feel uneducated as to what it is you or half the people in the world have to go by as a measuring stick to compare him the MUSICAL GOD who is PRINCE. I must add that Prince's greatest fallacy in earning the respect that he is surely due on guitar, is the fact that he spread his musicianship over so many instruments and genres that it seems that his guitar abilities are not as great as they are.

The "Controversy" chapter of Prince was seemingly the level of Genius/stardom that Hendrix was affixed at the time of his departure, more or less.
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fuck hendrix?
with out Hendrix you have no Prince. Not only did Hendrix directly influence Prince(the purple rain days) and all the different covers he has done, but he has influenced him indirectly as well. Ever heard of funkadelic. George got that straight from the Band of Gypsies album. George was singing do wop till he droped acid and listened to some hendrix and we all know how much prince was influenced by George. What about Sly? Jimi jammed with sly and they both influenced each other. Woodstock anyone. That and they both drew from all kinds of Music. Shit jimi practically started hard rock/ heavy metal, pushed funk to another place. Dabbled in country, jazz and even some of the first rap. Things that prince has done as well

Two great talents. Why hate on one. Enjoy them both

lmas said:

u should try to get your hands on some hendrix footage...when jimi arrived on the scene MANY popular artist were going back to blues and updating it for a new generation...jimi was a real BLUES MAN even though he was the same age as these other artist, he lived it...he played with all the real folks and stood out as something unique and special even with the old school greats....he made the guitar a living breathing instrument....it was no longer about notes when hendrix came on the scene ...he made it talk...he made it cry...scream...he sang songs about war and violence where the guitar shot the bullets and the amplifiers and fx combined with his incredible imagination took u where he wanted u to be...underwater...in space...floating...and even though musicians have a zillion more options for getting sounds and fx today...nobody has written the rule book for what can be done on an electric guitar better than hendrix did in the 4 short years before his death at 27...jimi is THE MAN !!!

All musicians are inspired by another. I bet Jimmi is an inspiration to Prince.Jimmi was jus a reflection of the era he came from.Most great guitarists idolise Jimmi.I thought Lenny Kravitz was trying to be like Jimmi when he first released "Let love rule".

But in their own rights, they're all bloody brilliant.

jonylawson said:

Them's is fighting words. Hendrix is the greatest guitarist to ever live.

Yes,he looked a lot like Jimi,but he looked a lot like Sly Stone also..
Never compare him to Jimi,though,'cuz Jimi was in a league of his own and never got a chance to show that he was there to stay (He was,but nobody can ever imagine what happened with Jimi if he got to grow old.Maybe he'd be recording with Prince now.)
Tecnically there are quite a few better players around,nowadays,but they didn't invent what Jimi did so many years ago!
And I rarely come across a guitarplayer that shows he's one with his guitar the way Jimi did.I doubt it that Prince knows his guitar as well as Jimi did,if he did,he'd be able to play his guitar better than he does,I think!(and I really do admire him as a guitarplayer too!!)
Maybe,like Jimi,he should have taken his guitar to bed..Instead of..

Ifsixwuz9 said:

First of all you've got to get the facts right. Terence Trent D'Arby never claimed to be better than the Beatles, Prince or anyone else. His recordcompany at that time (Sony) announced him as the new Prince, he had nothing to do with that. Sananda (TTD) always was very open about the musicians he admired. Prince and The Beatles are also among them, together with Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Miles Davis, Jimi Hendrix, James Brown, George Clinton, Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, David Bowie and lots of others.
I agree with you when you say he was quite arrogant in his early days, but hey, Prince still is an arrogant bastard. That doesn't say anything about Prince's music does it?!!! Prince still is one of the best musicians ever.
The onely thing Sananda said he probably shouldn't have said was that he would become bigger than Madonna.

Coming back at the real issue. Listening to the way Prince plays the guitar it's obvious he is influenced by Jimi, but so are most guitarplayers of these days, the best anyway. There's no denying Jimi was the best of his time, much better than Santana. That doesn't mean Santana wasn't good, he was, just not as good as Jimi. I believe Prince also feels that way, he probably denies that because he's fed up with all comparisations. I hardly hear Santana's guitarrifs in Prince's music, I hear a lot of Jimi's guitarrifs in Princes music, nothing wrong with that. It's a fact Prince is influenced by a lot of musicians like George Clinton, Sly and The Family Stone, Bootsy, James Brown, Miles Davis, Santana, Bach etc. Jimi is one of them. Every musician is influenced by artists that were there before him/her. That's the only way music can develop. Jimi also had his influences.

Besides all that, don't forget the means Jimi had acces to weren't as developed as the means Prince has acces to. All instruments are improved compared to Jimi's years, when Jimi would have been alive these days he'd probabily still kick Prince's ass on the guitar. And I do believe Prince is a great guitar player, one of the best alive. But we're talking about Jimi here!!!

About Jimi's voice, I love his voice.

When it comes to music it's all a matter of taste, but when it comes to great musicianship it comes to knowledge. Prince is a great musician, so is Sananda (TTD) and Santana is also a great musician. Jimi is one of the best ever. When you want to talk about great musicianship, make sure you know what you're talking about. It annoys me people talking about great musicianship while they talk about taste instead. Those two things are very different. There are lots of musicians of whom I don't like the music they make, that doesn't mean they aren't any good as musicians, it's just not my cup of tea. There are also lots of songs I do like, but the musicianship is crap (only able to play three accords).

to say jimi is "up there" with the greatest is an understatement. jimi is most likely "one of" your favorite guitarist' favorite guitarist. even wack ass rolling stone had to recognize him as the greatest guitarist of all-time. jimi IS one of the greatest along with miles, marley, coltrane and yes the purple prince.

prettymansson said:

When did Prince claim that he was not influenced by Hendrix? In several articles/books that I have read about Prince, Prince has always said that Hendrix was one of his biggest influences. Jimi Hendrix is a great guitarist, no doubt about it. Too bad he died so damn young. I always have dreamed of going to a Jimi Hendrix/Prince concert. Can you imagine if those two were up on the same stage, jamming together? That would be one hell of a concert, wouldn't it? It would freakin' rock!!

Jimi = Guitar King, Prince = Versatile King

ass said:

i agree with u....100%

What a crock of shit !
Every musician has influences. Saying Prince is better or Jimi was better, or someone copied someone else is inane. Music is an evolving Art.Next someone one's gonna say Prince influenced Hendrix
The chronological order of things denotes who did what, and once that was done it has to influence people further down the line. Hendrix had barely any effects , and actually had to use more natural ways to sound as he did.Totally different dimension to what guitarist's of these days are working in.Jimi had to use imagination to produce the unheard of sounds he created. He had a Marshall Amp, a Jim Dunlop wah wah pedal, and an Octavia. Plus He had to use 2 track reel to reel recorders linked together in tandem to multi track. Given the technology of the day Jimi Hendrix did the unknown and achieved the impossible.

Santana , Prince , Hendrix , all broke through new musical territory, in their own ways and I feel each broke through barriers peculiar to their own circumstances. I see influences from Frank Zappa in Prince ! Plus we all hear different. To me Hendrix had a beautiful voice, as tA said , given the "soundscape" and environment of his music.
He was also a disciplined player who was forced to play right handed, when he was lefthanded. He played for Little Richard, The Isley Brosthers, and had to move to England to get all the prejudices of American society off his back. i.e. Black, Lefthanded, Indian, virtuoso, Avante garde jazzpop Rock guitarist.
I like to appreciate players as individuals and not compare as Better or worse. They all do there own thang in the End.

Marrk said:

Temptation, She's Always In My Hair, The Ride Lots more psychedelic blues/rock songs from Prince. Also, Prince is funky, Hendrix nooooo! You can dance to Prince ,Hendrix nooooo!

rudeboynpg said:

1st of all, the thread topic was not about who is better (a rather pointless and ridiculous exercise), but influences.

In terms of Hendrix and funk...
Fire, Foxey Lady, Stone Free, Wait Until Tomorrow, Little Miss Lover, Crosstown Traffic, Voodoo Child (Slight Return), etc.
If you can't feel the funk in those tunes, your knowledge of funk must be incredibly stunted.

Again i'll have to consult the great American philosopher Homey D. Clown...



... Hendrix not funky? "I don't think so."

tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm

Man, when will it end?

theAudience said:

I LOVE Hendrix, but Hendrix was more blues then funk. Prince looked to James Brown, Sly & the Family Stone and George Clinton for the funk influence.

ThreadBare said:

Unfortunately...never

or

Definitely Maybe
~~Jeff Beck




tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm

Scrapluv said:

I agree. Jimmi is the greatest Guitarist of all time. All real guitarists know this and will never denie it. Name one person that has claimed to be better than Jimmi. There's nobody and why. Because that person doesnt exist. Prince, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, Santana, Eric Clapton and Stevie Ray (Vaughne?) wouldn't dare compare themselves to Jimmi. He's the man on the Axe and there will never be another.

rudeboynpg said:

Aye matey there's the rub.

But Jimi PLAYED with Wilson Pickett, Little Richard, King Curtis, Isley Brothers, Ike and Tina Turner and others for his.

tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm