Handclapsfingasnapz said:

well,maybe you shouldn't act like that to people YOU don't know yet!
i think you are rude.laugh that off...

wallysafford said:

i've done this to newbies all the time for nearly all the 6 years i've been on this site and nobody's gotten a rise out of it till now. like i said, you're still new here. you'll like me once you get to know me.



oop, almost forgot about the topic at hand: the creator of this thread shoulda defined the term "sell-out" a bit more, since some folks are beginnin to squabble 'round here.

TheBatman said:

That is a great movie. Tim Burton did an incredible job with Batman and Batman returns, Even down to the greatest musical score for a superhero movie ever by Danny Elfman. Hell, I like that score as much as the album. What didnt you like about it. Was it the fact that Billy D. played Harvey Dent? He didnt butcher it like Schumacher did. He will forever be my nemesis.

" Even down to the greatest musical score for a superhero movie ever by Danny Elfman. "

Wrong. John Williams did the greatest musical score for a superhero movie when he scored the music for Superman.

DarkKnight1 said:

Wrong.

The definitve Batman film has yet to be made. The first film may as well have been called "The Joker", and the second one was just absurd (Fish eating sewer dwellers running for mayor? Mouth-to-mouth cat CPR? penguin soldiers...?) Both of them had a nice style and had a lot of the visulas down, but lacked any genuine character exploration, plot or dialogue...king of like the record, come to think of it....

As to the question at hand: I don't believe in the term "sell-out", especially for artists. Anyone who can make a living through music, writing or painting wins - by definition. What they do after that is up to them. Having said that, I did see the record as a bit of a cash-grab; re-working obvious outtakes into new songs that "fit" the film. But so what? If someone asked me to contribute art to a Batman project I'd do it.

Until any of us have been offered half a million bucks to "sell out", I would be very leary of slapping that label on others.

TheBatman said:

I must agree. i was saddend by Tim Burton the day i saw that movie. I DO love Batman however. He's my fave.

skywalker said:

Opening theme perhaps. Entire score, no.

NouveauDance said:

i'm with u on the grammy thang...it was his 20th anniversary!! i'm not a dude so Beyonce was an unwelcomed distraction 4 B; didn't seem she brought anything 2 it...i would have loved 2 C some of the musicians who have actually played with him on stage 4 the moment...a Beauteous opportunity missed...guess it served its purpose tho'~whatever that may have been....

One of Prince's most noble qualities is his refusal to sell out

DarkKnight1 said:

I almost forgot Billy D. Williams was in Batman as Harvey Dent. It was strange he showed up in the 3rd film as Tommy Lee Jones.

My beef with the Batman movies is the poor story writing, bad acting and a miscast Batman. Tim Burton made the movie weird. Some people may think Batman weird, but I never did. He is the Dark Knight Detective, not some little guy that walks around in a heavy suit that he has to bend over backwards in, just to look up.

Gotham City came off as a weird, dark fantasy place instead of given a realistic feel that it sorely needed.

Schumacher breathed a little life into the franchise with Kilmer in "Forever," but shot himself in the foot with the dreadful, carbon copied "Batman & Robin."

The original "Crow" movie with Brandon Lee was more like Batman than the Batman movies were. IMO, anyway.

Sorry for going off topic. Prince didn't sell out.

sermwanderer said:

Which should not be confused with "cashing in" when the opportunity presents itself.

Anyone who ever called me a sell-out was never there to pay my rent when I couldn't.

herb4 said:

Exactly, sell out is a term used by those who are jealous and lack the talent or resources necessary to receive such an offer in their respective industry.

I was always a fan of the spooky Batman comics by Neal Adams/Denny O'Neil. I became a Prince fan in 1984 starting with the powerful biographical Purple Rain movie and album. With the Purple Rain film I could relate to Prince,I understood Prince, Prince is a rebel and Apollonia was hot. I love the spooky gothic Tim Burton Batman films (Batman and Batman Returns) Burtons Batman films are like the comics Killing Joke, Arkam Asylum and the 1939/1940 comics in the Batman Archives. I love the atmospheric Batman Prince album Batdance Vicki Waiting The Future Prince captured the mood of the film.

herb4 said:

Correct. The disticntion is huge

Batman is kind of psychotic. Tim Burton and Micheal Keaton show that.

laurarichardson said:

First off, do you NEED to be so rude when you respond to people?

That said, I don't think anyone was holding a gun to Prince's head when he signed his contract with WB. And even if he was sold into some kind of bizarre black-market artistic slavery by having someone else coerce him into signing with WB at 18 years old, he sure was an adult when he RE-negotiated that multi-million contract with WB, wasn't he?