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PrintableDavidEye said: I always thought that Prince made a huge mistake by not bringing his 'SOTT' to the US.There was ALOT of momentum with that album,and alot of critics and fans were saying it was his best album yet.In addition,in the fall of 1987,singles like "U Got The Look" and "I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man" were climbing the Top 10 charts,while non-singles like "Hot Thing" and "Adore" were receiving tremendous airplay on R&B radio stations.If there was ever a right time to do a lengthy tour,this was it.
I agree 100%. From what I understand a couple of Band members begged him to tour the United States with that tour because even they could see the momentum it was riding here. I believe it was Eric Leeds who said his not touring the United States with SOTT was one of the biggest mistakes he witnessed. Say what you will but it was a foolish move. Imagine U2 releasing it's most successful album in years, that has all of Ireland abuzz with impressive sales and radio play and the band doing a tour but deciding not to make any stops in Ireland? Well, this is what happened with Prince and the United States. No one is trying to deny there are other countries outside of the U.S., but one cannot deny the importance of it either. The Lovesexy album did not sell as well in the United but by that point the "Prince" momentum had died, American radio nor many fans found it really radio friendly, not to mention the album cover controversy. The American Music scene had began to change dramatically and this just helped it along IMO. America did not respond the way he wanted us to and as a result he decided to "punish" us by refusing to tour here. I believe his exact words were, "I will never tour the United States again". I love Prince just as much as anyone else but we all know there are times when he can be unreasonable. He seems to have no concept of the fact that EVERYTHING he does is not a masterpiece and if fans don't like it, they just don't like it. Prince has a tendency to blame everyone but himself. America was "wrong" for not attaching itself to Lovesexy, so he decided to punish us. If someone has a less than stellar opinion about some of his music, they are "criticizing God". Give me a break. Prince should have toured the United States with SOTT and everyone knows it, and whether he admits it or not, looking back I'm sure even he realizes he should have toured his homeland. I am convinced Beyonce's career would not be where it is, if she had dark skin. | |
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squirrelgrease said: SOTT was released all across the US in major theaters. It was just like a tour, but without the roadies and sweat stains.
Yet, not a dry seat in the house.... Miguel  MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits" | |
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VelvetJ said:[quote]DavidEye said:[quote]
I love Prince just as much as anyone else but we all know there are times when he can be unreasonable. He seems to have no concept of the fact that EVERYTHING he does is not a masterpiece and if fans don't like it, they just don't like it. Prince has a tendency to blame everyone but himself. America was "wrong" for not attaching itself to Lovesexy, so he decided to punish us. If someone has a less than stellar opinion about some of his music, they are "criticizing God". Give me a break. 
IF THE FANS DON'T LIKE IT, THEY DON'T LIKE! WELL PUT, VELVETJ I'M NOT SHOUTING, JEEZ! | |
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VelvetJ said: DavidEye said: I always thought that Prince made a huge mistake by not bringing his 'SOTT' to the US.There was ALOT of momentum with that album,and alot of critics and fans were saying it was his best album yet.In addition,in the fall of 1987,singles like "U Got The Look" and "I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man" were climbing the Top 10 charts,while non-singles like "Hot Thing" and "Adore" were receiving tremendous airplay on R&B radio stations.If there was ever a right time to do a lengthy tour,this was it.
I agree 100%. From what I understand a couple of Band members begged him to tour the United States with that tour because even they could see the momentum it was riding here. I believe it was Eric Leeds who said his not touring the United States with SOTT was one of the biggest mistakes he witnessed. Say what you will but it was a foolish move. Imagine U2 releasing it's most successful album in years, that has all of Ireland abuzz with impressive sales and radio play and the band doing a tour but deciding not to make any stops in Ireland? Well, this is what happened with Prince and the United States. No one is trying to deny there are other countries outside of the U.S., but one cannot deny the importance of it either. The Lovesexy album did not sell as well in the United but by that point the "Prince" momentum had died, American radio nor many fans found it really radio friendly, not to mention the album cover controversy. The American Music scene had began to change dramatically and this just helped it along IMO. America did not respond the way he wanted us to and as a result he decided to "punish" us by refusing to tour here. I believe his exact words were, "I will never tour the United States again". I love Prince just as much as anyone else but we all know there are times when he can be unreasonable. He seems to have no concept of the fact that EVERYTHING he does is not a masterpiece and if fans don't like it, they just don't like it. Prince has a tendency to blame everyone but himself. America was "wrong" for not attaching itself to Lovesexy, so he decided to punish us. If someone has a less than stellar opinion about some of his music, they are "criticizing God". Give me a break. Prince should have toured the United States with SOTT and everyone knows it, and whether he admits it or not, looking back I'm sure even he realizes he should have toured his homeland. Lovesexy, the album, bombed in the US becuase of the cover and for the fact it wasn't very commercial. The tour did well in major cities (I remember it selling out 3 nights in Chicago), but your right about that Prince's momentum from SOTT was all but over when the tour did reach the states. I totally agree it was Prince's BIGGEST mistake not bringing the tour to the states. I also think he should have released Strange Relationship as a single after I Could Never...SOTT could have been a much bigger hit if Prince gave it the push it deserved. I think he was totally bored with it at end of the Europe tour and then the whole Black Album/Ecstacy incident happened and thus Lovesexy was born. | |
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debbiedean2 said: SPOOKYGAS said: GLAD HE DIDN'T TOUR THE STATES WITH SOTT! SAW IT ON CABLE THE OTHER DAY, THAT WAS THE SADDEST CONCERT I'VE SEEN PRINCE PERFORM I HATE CONCERTS WITH THE EXTRA PEOPLE ON STAGE ESP CAT ON STAGE WITH HER HOUSESHOES . IT WAS EMBARRASSING, EVEN THOUGH PRINCE LOOKED GOOD IN HIS OUTFITS
LET THE HATING BEGAN! c what i fuckin mean 'even though prince looked good in his outfits' , how the fuck did this man come from u'r shores he belongs with bowie beatles stones who led zeplin pink floyd and robbie williams 4 the love of the wee man SOTT and u never got it. just listen 2 the variety of song, the change of style, oh a give up am sure PRINCE has got scottish blood in him anyway!! FIRST OF ALL, SOTT WAS NOT GROUNDBREAKING. IT WAS A MAJOR CROSSOVER THAT PRINCE MADE, WHICH MOST ARTIST DO AND LOSE A BIG PART OF THEIR FAN BASE AND IF YOU HAVEN'T NOTICE IT WAS DOWNHILL FOR PRINCE (IN THE DETROIT R&B MARKET) SECOND YEAH, HE WENT TO LIBERATED EUROPE AND SOLD MORE ALBUMS, AND CAME BACK TO THE SO-CALLED FUCKED-UP USA AND BANKED HIS MONEY WITH THE FDIC BACKING, YOU TRICK! THIRD, I LISTENED TO THE VARIETY OF SONGS ON SOTT AND IF I DON'T LIKE, I DONT'T LIKE! FOURTH, I DIDN'T VOTE FOR BUSH 1ST OR 2ND TERM FIFTH, I DON'T HAVE TO REDEEM MYSELF TO YOU OR NOBODY ELSE IN THIS ASS SORRY WORLD ooh i like ur wording sounds like something i would say and very true.BUT SOTT was a good movie now that i hahve seen it off of bootleg.the whole movie is like WHOA!!! 4 it 2 be so old i was surprised but i have wondered it it flopped in the US | |
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It used to piss me off back in the late 1980s that he always had his ass overseas instead of here at home...mainly because I wanted to see him. Now that I look back on those years, I think the majority of those shows would have bombed here in the states. I have always heard that Europeans have a much wider variety of taste than the average American.
A tour consisting of the majority of his new material at the time would have definately bombed here. People weren't buying the records like they used to so they sure weren't going to shell out big money for a concert unless he was going to be performing what was considered old at the time. We are Prince fans here, but the majority of average people I know only remember "Adore" from that album. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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bds70 said: Do you think it would made any diffiernce in the commerical success of SOTT?? I saw the Loevesexy tour and it wasn't all that bad, but I think the SOTT tour would faired much better. He had the momentum in the fall of 1987 with the U got look and I could never..singles on the pop charts and Adore and Hot Thing on thr r&b charts.
I will just chalk it up to one of many Prince blunders.... apples and oranges -- two entirely different tours, and with Lovesexy, he had a message he wanted to share no matter how successful the tour was (more successful in Europe & Japan than in the States, by the way -- which, thank God, didn't stop him -- that tour was an experience-and-a-half!) | |
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VelvetJ said: DavidEye said: I always thought that Prince made a huge mistake by not bringing his 'SOTT' to the US.There was ALOT of momentum with that album,and alot of critics and fans were saying it was his best album yet.In addition,in the fall of 1987,singles like "U Got The Look" and "I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man" were climbing the Top 10 charts,while non-singles like "Hot Thing" and "Adore" were receiving tremendous airplay on R&B radio stations.If there was ever a right time to do a lengthy tour,this was it.
I agree 100%. From what I understand a couple of Band members begged him to tour the United States with that tour because even they could see the momentum it was riding here. I believe it was Eric Leeds who said his not touring the United States with SOTT was one of the biggest mistakes he witnessed. Say what you will but it was a foolish move. Imagine U2 releasing it's most successful album in years, that has all of Ireland abuzz with impressive sales and radio play and the band doing a tour but deciding not to make any stops in Ireland? Well, this is what happened with Prince and the United States. No one is trying to deny there are other countries outside of the U.S., but one cannot deny the importance of it either. The Lovesexy album did not sell as well in the United but by that point the "Prince" momentum had died, American radio nor many fans found it really radio friendly, not to mention the album cover controversy. The American Music scene had began to change dramatically and this just helped it along IMO. America did not respond the way he wanted us to and as a result he decided to "punish" us by refusing to tour here. I believe his exact words were, "I will never tour the United States again". I love Prince just as much as anyone else but we all know there are times when he can be unreasonable. He seems to have no concept of the fact that EVERYTHING he does is not a masterpiece and if fans don't like it, they just don't like it. Prince has a tendency to blame everyone but himself. America was "wrong" for not attaching itself to Lovesexy, so he decided to punish us. If someone has a less than stellar opinion about some of his music, they are "criticizing God". Give me a break. Prince should have toured the United States with SOTT and everyone knows it, and whether he admits it or not, looking back I'm sure even he realizes he should have toured his homeland.  | |
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VelvetJ said: The Lovesexy album did not sell as well in the United but by that point the "Prince" momentum had died, American radio nor many fans found it really radio friendly, not to mention the album cover controversy. The American Music scene had began to change dramatically and this just helped it along IMO. America did not respond the way he wanted us to and as a result he decided to "punish" us by refusing to tour here. I believe his exact words were, "I will never tour the United States again".
He didn't say that and he did tour the US with "LoveSexy", he just postponed the US tour as a "marketing ploy"... "LoveSexy" sold huge in Europe so he just decided to tour there first, let the US see the tour (Dortmund broadcast) and hope it would help sell more records and build momentum and then tour the US... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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Neversin said: VelvetJ said: The Lovesexy album did not sell as well in the United but by that point the "Prince" momentum had died, American radio nor many fans found it really radio friendly, not to mention the album cover controversy. The American Music scene had began to change dramatically and this just helped it along IMO. America did not respond the way he wanted us to and as a result he decided to "punish" us by refusing to tour here. I believe his exact words were, "I will never tour the United States again".
He didn't say that and he did tour the US with "LoveSexy", he just postponed the US tour as a "marketing ploy"... "LoveSexy" sold huge in Europe so he just decided to tour there first, let the US see the tour (Dortmund broadcast) and hope it would help sell more records and build momentum and then tour the US... Neversin. You misunderstood my post. Despite what a couple of people here have said, The Lovesexy Tour was not as successful in the United States as a whole as some are making it out to be. I even remember seeing a report on MTV that said he didn't even sell out his hometown of Minneapolis. Did he sell out some shows, yes he did, but Prince lost MAJOR money on that tour. It was because of these events that after the tour was over he said, "he would never tour the United States again". And he didn't for a VERY long time. I live in Houston and he didn't tour here and Dallas for 9 whole years. Not to mention places like New Orleans, Denver, St. Louis, Atlanta, etc. Unfortunately at the time, I lived in a city that Prince didn't tour with LoveSexy, so I missed it, but I have seen it on video and it truly is amazing. But even with that, I say the SOTT tour would have been much more successful. I am convinced Beyonce's career would not be where it is, if she had dark skin. | |
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I think I would have love to see the SOTT tour live more than the Lovesexy tour. All the footage that I've seen from Lovesexy as well as what I saw on the tour was kind of dissapointing. I mean I loved it but everything was soooo rushed. Prince was out of breath almost the entire concert. It was the let's-put-10,000-songs-together-in-two-hours-tour. SOTT was more laid back.
Miguel MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits" | |
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VelvetJ said: You misunderstood my post. Despite what a couple of people here have said, The Lovesexy Tour was not as successful in the United States as a whole as some are making it out to be. I even remember seeing a report on MTV that said he didn't even sell out his hometown of Minneapolis. Did he sell out some shows, yes he did, but Prince lost MAJOR money on that tour.
Of course, the "LoveSexy" tour is pretty overrated... The "LoveSexy" tour was Europe's "Purple Rain" tour... Both nice tours but highly overrated in contrast to his other tours in the 1980's... It was because of these events that after the tour was over he said, "he would never tour the United States again". And he didn't for a VERY long time.
Ok, I thought you meant after the LoveSexy album sales... I say the SOTT tour would have been much more successful.
Same here... The SOTT tour was something really amazing and showcased his new band and style perfectly, while the "LoveSexy" tour was just a downgraded version of the SOTT tour... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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If Prince toured the US with Sign "O" The Times he would have got back alot of the audience he had with Purple Rain. He confused them with the weird Around The World in A Day and Cherry Moon/Parade the change of style and look.Sign "O" The Time was a killer album. Sign "O" the Times was a return to Rock! The Lovesexy Tour was to preachy. Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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VelvetJ said: Neversin said: He didn't say that and he did tour the US with "LoveSexy", he just postponed the US tour as a "marketing ploy"... "LoveSexy" sold huge in Europe so he just decided to tour there first, let the US see the tour (Dortmund broadcast) and hope it would help sell more records and build momentum and then tour the US... Neversin. You misunderstood my post. Despite what a couple of people here have said, The Lovesexy Tour was not as successful in the United States as a whole as some are making it out to be. I even remember seeing a report on MTV that said he didn't even sell out his hometown of Minneapolis. Did he sell out some shows, yes he did, but Prince lost MAJOR money on that tour. It was because of these events that after the tour was over he said, "he would never tour the United States again". And he didn't for a VERY long time. I live in Houston and he didn't tour here and Dallas for 9 whole years. Not to mention places like New Orleans, Denver, St. Louis, Atlanta, etc. Unfortunately at the time, I lived in a city that Prince didn't tour with LoveSexy, so I missed it, but I have seen it on video and it truly is amazing. But even with that, I say the SOTT tour would have been much more successful. I was really surprised when some of the 'Lovesexy' shows in the US had trouble selling out.I was like "What the F*#@ is wrong with people? Prince has the best band of his career,and he's on the best tour of his career,and y'all don't wanna see him?" 
But there is no doubt in my mind that a 'SOTT' US tour would have been a bigger success.For one thing,the SOTT album was commerically successful ('Lovesexy' faded from the charts rapidly,and only had one real hit). | |
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