good point about baby knows. must be camille! But La la la is normal vocal, sung in a high pitch

TheDawgCatcher said:[quote]

ace316 said:

Damn Dawgcatcher, you sure seem to have your panties in a wad about this. You know what, let's do this: Let's agree and say You're right and I'm totally wrong. You probably have the combination to Prince's vault written on your shirt collar, so there's no fucking way that me, or any one else could possibly no what the fuck we're talking about.

But hey, I'm cool with that.I'm not some self righteous Prince maniac who has all the answers. I can admit to either being wrong or being misinformed. Prince is not my life, nor am I one of his brainwashed, no-life having bitches like you obviously are.

See, its motherfuckers like you who can't get Prince's dick out of their ass long enough to simply address an error like you've got some fuckin home training and say " Hey man, your info is incorrect, and here's why....."
To which I would have replied "Damn, I didn't know that. My bad, Thanks." But no, you're too fuckin caught up in your Prince fantasy to act like you've got some damn sense.

So go ahead man, be right! You got it! You're THE man!! But, while your at it, take Prince's dick out of your mouth, and get a fucking life! If an inaccuracy about some obscure peice of meaningless trivia can set you off the deep end like that, you need some serious help! Back away from the keyboard and go get some fucking fresh air, some sunshine, some pussy, something!

Fuck you very much.
[This message was edited Tue Apr 16 14:50:24 PDT 2002 by ace316]

DawgCatcher...you sound ALOT like Bart:)

Nate said:

Because ever since 1982 Prince played with speeded up voices. Changed speed in voices was also done a lot by Parliament - maybe Sir LolliPop is Camille!

Seriously though, I think Camille is all about the disorted voice, not just the changed speeded up or down voice. There is a difference between speeding up or down 'normal' recorded voices at mixing the song and having the tapes running a little faster while recording the voice...

But to be honest: your 'Camille' CD is sure a damn funky collection! Still my point remains most of the songs credits state very clear "the usual complete shit by Prince".

Actually Liz Jones account here isn't entirely accurate.

The Camille voice on If I Was Your Girlfriend was not an accident.
The Camille voice is done by laying down a new vocal track while the mastertape is played at a slower speed (or faster). It's known as Vari-Speed (completely different to distortion). Susan Rogers was refering to the fact that she accidentally recorded Prince's vocals 'in the red' which caused some distortion (same as when you play loud music through small speakers).
If you listen carefully to the vocals on If I Was Your Girlfriend carefully you'll see what I mean.
[This message was edited Wed Apr 17 0:45:36 PDT 2002 by kaylef]

ace316 said:

The bottom line is you tried to be the man and spouted some dumbass half baked shit that you deduced from your mp3 collection. You had a beatdown coming to you. Don't cry about it.

BTW. I have less respect for Prince than I do for you. So there goes your theory about me being one of your Princefagggg pals. Nice work burning 40 paragraphs trying to break me down though.

Let me get back to this "peice" of pussy...

TheDawgCatcher said:

I'm glad too see your getting some pussy. As for our little exchange: I'm sorry if I mistakenly pegged you as some "Princefagg". It's just that you acted like you had your copy of uptown magazine shoved up your ass over some silly shit.I wasn't crying about it, the shit was just childish and un-called for.

But I understand now. You're one of the motherfuckers that feels its his duty to "dish out internet beatdowns" or whatever. Feel free to critque, rebut, or correct anything I say, cuz I'm not going anywhere. If you do so like you've got some damn sense instead of like a little bitch, I'll respond in kind. Then we can resolve the issue like adults(you are grown, aren't you?). If not, I just won't respond, then victory will be yours.

Peace.

Party man is a funny song

Pstyle said:

I always thought it was fitting that he used the Camille voice on Partyman. The whole alter ego thing worked perfectly with the movie.
[This message was edited Wed Apr 17 12:10:15 PDT 2002 by ace316]

This idea of nailing just about every song as a 'Camille' song, because it has a sped up, or distorted, or whatever voice seems to me to be the wrong approach. The 'Camille' songs are those where Prince has attributed some role to 'Camille' in the credits, or where it is known that the song was due to feature on the Camille album.

He performs different songs through different alter egos, and some have been given names - but some have not. And sometimes he's performing the song as himself - it's just he's recorded the voice in a certain way, usually out of choice. No-one seriously believes that the psychotic on Bob George is the same character as the Narrator on TRC, just because both of the voices have been slowed down. (I guess some might think it explains things - but seriously) Similarly, there's no reason to argue that he was 'Camille' for every recording where the voice is sped up, purely on the basis that Camille's voice was sped up.

There have been several debates on amp about this, and the archive of the original PML FAQ also makes reference to it. I thought Matt might also be updating that part of the FAQ for prince.org v 2,0.

To be frank, it seems to me that part of the justification that some of these tracks are being included on home-made Camille tapes or CD-Rs (fun though it all might be) is to fill up that gap on the tape or CD with some more of those songs where there's a funny voice.

langebleu said:

Good point. That's the reason I asked for you all's imput, to try to come to some definative criteria for what makes a song a Camille song. Is it just about the voice, or the time
frame in which a song was written, or a combination of the two.

ace316 said:[quote]

langebleu said:

Then my simple criterion would be:

Class it as a 'Camille song' if Prince credits it to Camille in some way.

The only song that some seem to class as a potential Camille track, but was released before the Camille project was taking place, was Love or $. The song was part of the Under the Cherry Moon project where there is no evidence that Prince believed the character of Camille had a part to play. Instead, I believe he was simply experimenting with vocal speed, just as he had done previously with Erotic City.

By the time the Camille project had been passed over, Prince also appears to have moved on to other alter egos, The Lovesexy Tour Book being the last official reference to Camille, I think???

On Graffiti Bridge's release, the Camille character has been replaced with The Kid, and Batman heralded Gemini and the Batman characters.

Ok,so based on that criteria, songs like "Partyman, Sex, and "Come On" would actually be disqualified because of a lack of direct reference to Camille, and the time frame in which they occured, correct?
[This message was edited Thu Apr 18 7:57:12 PDT 2002 by ace316]