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Printablewallysafford said: Jon said: Anyone who says that the 80's was a great musical decade are just tripping on nostalgia... The 80's were by-and-large absolutely useless... Sure, there are stand out artists, just like there are in every decade, but go back and listen to "Now thats what I call music..." Volumes 1 to 5.... My god, it is mostly crap... No soul, no heart and not very much talent... two words-U2 in the 80's we had fun.we had heart and soul.now we have bullshit music from bullshit producers... go listen to "The Unforgettable Fire" and tell me the 80's had no heart and soul. p.s-your bait is tasty.... CO-SIGN Miguel  MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits" | |
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You guys have to understand that Prince is 45 years old now; so it would be a little ridiculous if he still wrote songs like the ones he did when he was 25 years old. It's called maturing. EVER HEAR OF IT? Just accept the new Prince and move on!!! | |
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hooray for new Prince! 
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wallysafford said: I will probally take some heat from certain folks who weren't even buying Prince
albums back in the mid-80's(these "folks" shall go nameless,i checked their profiles and lo and behold,they were very,very young children in the mid-80's). Those of us who were buying Prince albums and studying them back then seem to have an affinity to his music from that time(1978-1988).Since then we have been subjected to a completely different artist,this new dude loves to shove HIS PERSONAL religeous beliefs down our throats,the Prince we were mystified by in the 80's really never did that,he only "preached" about equality and the benifits of diversity.The new dude loves to keep shoving "smooth jazz" down our throats.The 80's Prince said that "it's time 4 jazz 2 die"...It is all subjective and a matter of personal taste.You can't say that we are "frontin"- WE WERE THERE,WHERE WERE YOU?it is easier for the younger crowd to accept some of prince's knock-off music because that is the music that they grew up on.that generation got "COME",my generation got "1999".see the difference? Actually, I was there. Buying the vinyl albums for $6.98 a pop on sale and 12" singles for $3.99... all purpled down and dressed up in costume jewelry. Yes those indeed were the days. What's suprising is that being an "old-schooler" such as yourself that you don't understand that Prince has evolved beyond the "rude boy" image, trenchcoats and ruffles, Linn's for days and the "don't give a fuck attitude". You see, I grew up on that stuff too. So be careful when you use the words "I grew up on such and such" What that leaves me wanting to know is did you "grow beyond such and such Yes, those are all the things that made Prince an icon. But once again, Prince fans are holding him to a standard that no other artist is held to. I'm not saying what he does now is better or worse, but creatively, he's simply not in that place anymore. I can respect that. BTW, as for this "shoving his personal religion down your throats"... that cliche is bullshit because here's a mini-timeline:
and nobody had a problem with all that personal religion then...  What because it's an organized religion now there's gotta be some stimga? I don't agree with all the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses either but I wouldn't dare assume that those beliefs have some type of bearing on the music
Okay... back to my rant. One of the intriguing things about Prince is that you are subjected to a completely different artist with every few releases. The Prince who created Sexy Dancer is a completely different sound than the one who made When Doves Cry. The one who made When Doves Cry is a completely different Prince than the one who masterminded the Madhouse projects. As a result of these albums, I would have never gone back to discover Joni Mitchell, Parliament-Funkadelic and James Brown. With the release of The Rainbow Children, that was the first time in a long time that I heard Prince simply being Prince and not trying to keep up with what was going on in the clubs and on the radio. So would I say that Musicology is better than Parade? No, but it's a whole lot better than folks here give it credit for. As long as New Power Soul and 1999 The New Master exist, all words should be chosen carefully when it comes to critiquing anything post-2000. For clarification, when I say "fronter" I say that for those who pretend they aren't as captivated by Prince now as when he was the pretty little pompous asswipe that we've all come to know and love. If it's that certain "thing from the 80s" you were looking for when it came to Prince's music you would have fallen off and never returned after Lovesexy. What's funny is that many a "fronter" will be checking Wal-Mart tomorrow just to make sure they didn't miss out on anything. [Edited 11/29/04 10:24am] | |
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wallysafford said: it is easier for the younger crowd to accept some of prince's knock-off music because that is the music that they grew up on.that generation got "COME",my generation got "1999".see the difference?
there really is no difference--my generation got everything yours did as well. if it weren't for the back catalogue of stuff, all we would know about is the '90s material and come to accept it as just that and we'd pay no mind to anything else p did beforehand. as for one's age in whatever era and things being irrelevant due to youth, i was there. you don't have to buy albums and do the do (princely trend-wise) in order to truly "be there"--if you were around at the time and can remember things (as i can), you were there. you shouldn't hold this elitist way of thinking, a great majority of the other old-skool folks here sure don't. saddens me when older folks act like this, cuz it makes me feel older. and last, but not least:  chickengrease | |
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As much as I love "the old stuff" I don't really want more of it.
Give me new material that is of the same caliber as the old material and played with the same passion the old material was played with. That's what I want.  I'm firmly planted in denial |
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chickengrease said: BTW, as for this "shoving his personal religion down your throats"... that cliche is bullshit because here's a mini-timeline:
oop! you forgot the nod to god at the very beginning in the "thank you" notes on the majority of his albums (from the jump, i might add)...can't forget that bit. | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: chickengrease said: BTW, as for this "shoving his personal religion down your throats"... that cliche is bullshit because here's a mini-timeline:
oop! you forgot the nod to god in the "thank you" notes at the very beginning of the majority of his albums (from the jump, i might add)...can't forget that bit. Cough! Ahem! Hack! Cough I'm sorry all that religion being crammed down my throat makes it hard to talk... What'd you say?  | |
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chickengrease said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: oop! you forgot the nod to god in the "thank you" notes at the very beginning of the majority of his albums (from the jump, i might add)...can't forget that bit. Cough! Ahem! Hack! Cough I'm sorry all that religion being crammed down my throat makes it hard to talk... What'd you say?  | |
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Jon said: MIGUELGOMEZ said: The eighties was an INCREDIBLE time for music. Everything sounded different. Prince didn't sound like Michael J. didn't sound like Adam Ant didn't sound like Duran Duran didn't sound like Def Leppard. Different types of music were played together a lot. I wish it was still like that. I'm sorry to hear about people that were too young to experience the 80's but then again there are people that feel sorry for me because I wasn't around in the 50's or 60's.
Miguel
[Edited 11/23/04 14:40pm] Anyone who says that the 80's was a great musical decade are just tripping on nostalgia... The 80's were by-and-large absolutely useless... Sure, there are stand out artists, just like there are in every decade, but go back and listen to "Now thats what I call music..." Volumes 1 to 5.... My god, it is mostly crap... No soul, no heart and not very much talent... Thank you. I thought I was the only one. The 80's produced a few very good artists, but by and large most of it was one hit wonder garbage and knock-off wanna be BS. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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chickengrease said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: if he didn't come up with somethin new, half this place would be up in arms and ready to strangle a brotha. prince be damned.  I'm sayin' after reading all of these posts about how Prince coulda...woulda....shoulda been this and that, i realized that there isn't anything wrong with Prince nor is there anything wrong with his string of recent releases. After Rave, I realized that Prince will probably never be able to capture that 80s sound again. And of course, I sat on my pity potty also and bitched and moaned about what I expected. But after The Rainbow Children, he shut me up pretty quickly and his whole catalog came into perspective once again.
the problem isn't Prince. It's people with this bullshit mindset about how YOU want Prince to sound like or what YOU think Prince should do to get big numbers for the next album. Y'all giving all of this fake ass praise to Prince as a musician, performer etc and then turn around and shit on albums that are clearly a step up and beyond the montonous time warp ya'll minds are livin in. it AINT 1984 people! Purple Rain days are a wrap! I'm not saying that you don't have he right to objectively critique the music. But, I'm so sick and tired of this fake ass support for Prince and then, turn around and crap all over albums that have some really great music on them. These albums might not be certified classics but they are still part of his ongoing evolution. Please let the man evolve. At the end of the day, no matter what he releases you'll still be trying to get your hands on it. Don't front. All rise...let the choir say, amen. And for all those folks who missed it ... sorry. But you need to buy a video tape or dvd and get over it. And for the love of god stop watching "vh-1 I love the 80's" and tripping. They're pulling out the memorable stuff and leaving out the doo-doo. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: chickengrease said: BTW, as for this "shoving his personal religion down your throats"... that cliche is bullshit because here's a mini-timeline:
oop! you forgot the nod to god at the very beginning in the "thank you" notes on the majority of his albums (from the jump, i might add)...can't forget that bit. Double oops!, also for the the long rant during the Lovesexy tour, "Do you believe, do you believe." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Ifsixwuz9 said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: oop! you forgot the nod to god at the very beginning in the "thank you" notes on the majority of his albums (from the jump, i might add)...can't forget that bit. Double oops!, also for the the long rant during the Lovesexy tour, "Do you believe, do you believe."  Not the beloved, oh so cherished era of Lovesexy. Not the era deemed by so many Prince fans as the last great era. Nope  I refuse to believe that. I DON'T BELIEVE!!!!! I DON'T BELIEVE!!!!!
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chickengrease said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Double oops!, also for the the long rant during the Lovesexy tour, "Do you believe, do you believe." Not the beloved, oh so cherished era of Lovesexy. Not the era deemed by so many Prince fans as the last great era. Nope I refuse to believe that. I DON'T BELIEVE!!!!! I DON'T BELIEVE!!!!!
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You know...I liked all of you better too in the eighties. You where younger, less nostalgic and less of the smartass parrots like you're now.
Let Prince have his life and growth. I'm glad he follows his or His way and not yours! It served us well, didn't it? Be with me darling 'till the end of all time
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I am seriously hoping that he pulls the funk out again. I mean, not to sound selfish, but did he seriously think that WE would change with him? I love the man like family, but i'm sorry. I understand that the 80's are over and what not, but still. A LOT of stuff he did in the 80's didn't even sound like it was from the 80's. I always saw him as a musical pioneer, and whatever everyone else was doing at the time, he was gonna go his OWN way, since that's what he's been doing. Then i hear Musicology, and it sounds like everything else on the radio. That's what upset me about the album. We know he's a musician and all, but i seriously don't understand...Where's the experimental Prince? I mean, listen to Lovesexy. It doesn't have any abundant sex or drug themes on it. I wonder if he was going through a spiritual revelation on that album, because it's seriously the LAST we heard of him being so spiritually profound on an album, and it was cool without being preachy.
Save me jesus i've been a fool, how could i forget you are the rule, you are my God, I am your child, and from NOW ON for you i shall be wild, i shall be quick, i shall be strong, i'll tell your story no matter how long... Eye Know is basically a church song... eye wish you HEAVEN This album really meant a lot to me because at the time i was trying to deal with my sexuality and my spirituality at the same time, then to hear Lovesexy blew my mind away.. Have you ever been so lonely that you feel like you could take anyone boy OR girl... he says "Take" instead of "choose" that spoke volumes to me. If we don't get another SOTT, 1999, or Purple Rain, i was AT LEAST expecting another Lovesexy. Lovesexy dealt with him coming to terms with God, it would be nice to see a follow up about God being in his life, and it's something only he can do. Making sexuality spiritual. He can do another spiritual album, and it doesn't have to be preachy "Jehovah this, Jehovah that..." Alphabet St. says "put the right letters together and make a better day", right along WITH sexual references in the song. To me, the Lovesexy lyrics are ambiguous. He could be talking about sex, or God, or both: This feeling's so good in every single way, I want it morning night and noon and night of everyday, and if by chance i can not have it i can't say, with it i know HEAVEN'S just a kiss away. I'm sorry, i seriously forgot where i was going with this. But can we AT LEAST get another Lovesexy if he's gonna be so spiritual now. that's all i want. and yes, it is all about me. GlamSlamKid...The resident clown on Prince.orgy
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glamslamkid said: I am seriously hoping that he pulls the funk out again. I mean, not to sound selfish, but did he seriously think that WE would change with him?
for the love of all that's grand and good and buttercream frosting-coated, i sure hope that he did. i'd hate to have a fanbase that ain't with the times. | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: glamslamkid said: I am seriously hoping that he pulls the funk out again. I mean, not to sound selfish, but did he seriously think that WE would change with him?
for the love of all that's grand and good and buttercream frosting-coated, i sure hope that he did. i'd hate to have a fanbase that ain't with the times. you know what i mean. did he think he could start a revolution without the Revolution? i mean seriouly, just because he converted doesn't mean i have to. and i said "change" not "grow up" damn. i want a beer right now... GlamSlamKid...The resident clown on Prince.orgy
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: glamslamkid said: I am seriously hoping that he pulls the funk out again. I mean, not to sound selfish, but did he seriously think that WE would change with him?
for the love of all that's grand and good and buttercream frosting-coated, i sure hope that he did. i'd hate to have a fanbase that ain't with the times. just noticed the sig... I'm gonna need to use that when you're done with it. | |
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glamslamkid said: I am seriously hoping that he pulls the funk out again. I mean, not to sound selfish, but did he seriously think that WE would change with him? I love the man like family, but i'm sorry. I understand that the 80's are over and what not, but still. A LOT of stuff he did in the 80's didn't even sound like it was from the 80's. I always saw him as a musical pioneer, and whatever everyone else was doing at the time, he was gonna go his OWN way, since that's what he's been doing. Then i hear Musicology, and it sounds like everything else on the radio. That's what upset me about the album. We know he's a musician and all, but i seriously don't understand...Where's the experimental Prince? I mean, listen to Lovesexy. It doesn't have any abundant sex or drug themes on it. I wonder if he was going through a spiritual revelation on that album, because it's seriously the LAST we heard of him being so spiritually profound on an album, and it was cool without being preachy.
Save me jesus i've been a fool, how could i forget you are the rule, you are my God, I am your child, and from NOW ON for you i shall be wild, i shall be quick, i shall be strong, i'll tell your story no matter how long... Eye Know is basically a church song... eye wish you HEAVEN This album really meant a lot to me because at the time i was trying to deal with my sexuality and my spirituality at the same time, then to hear Lovesexy blew my mind away.. Have you ever been so lonely that you feel like you could take anyone boy OR girl... he says "Take" instead of "choose" that spoke volumes to me. If we don't get another SOTT, 1999, or Purple Rain, i was AT LEAST expecting another Lovesexy. Lovesexy dealt with him coming to terms with God, it would be nice to see a follow up about God being in his life, and it's something only he can do. Making sexuality spiritual. He can do another spiritual album, and it doesn't have to be preachy "Jehovah this, Jehovah that..." Alphabet St. says "put the right letters together and make a better day", right along WITH sexual references in the song. To me, the Lovesexy lyrics are ambiguous. He could be talking about sex, or God, or both: This feeling's so good in every single way, I want it morning night and noon and night of everyday, and if by chance i can not have it i can't say, with it i know HEAVEN'S just a kiss away. I'm sorry, i seriously forgot where i was going with this. But can we AT LEAST get another Lovesexy if he's gonna be so spiritual now. that's all i want. and yes, it is all about me. Very well put my sister, I too would like some of his funkyness to appear. Just because you say funky in a song does it make it so. Just because you mention James Brown in a song does it make it funky. Lovesexy was a very interesting album. When 2 Are In Love doesn't mention gender. I loved that about that song. Later on in the song does get specific in gender but as long as the title included everyone, that was all right by me. Miguel [Edited 11/29/04 13:04pm] MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits" | |
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chickengrease said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: for the love of all that's grand and good and buttercream frosting-coated, i sure hope that he did. i'd hate to have a fanbase that ain't with the times. just noticed the sig... I'm gonna need to use that when you're done with it. awright--you get dibs on it.  | |
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glamslamkid said: you know what i mean. did he think he could start a revolution without the Revolution? i mean seriouly, just because he converted doesn't mean i have to. and i said "change" not "grow up" damn. i want a beer right now...
you're right, you don't have to...but it'll hinder your outlook on the brotha in the long run if you don't. | |
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TheDeacon said: You guys have to understand that Prince is 45 years old now; so it would be a little ridiculous if he still wrote songs like the ones he did when he was 25 years old. It's called maturing. EVER HEAR OF IT? Just accept the new Prince and move on!!!
 Why would it be ridiculous if he was still writing songs everyone can agree are at least interesting?"A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Nothinbutjoy said: As much as I love "the old stuff" I don't really want more of it.
Give me new material that is of the same caliber as the old material and played with the same passion the old material was played with. That's what I want. Co-Sign! Exactly what I've been trying to say! Nobody needs a rehashing of the 80's material -it was good, but now we can move on. But what is needed is for the new material to have the same energy and passion as the "classics". "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Remember that long as story on the back of the Purple Rain LP? Hello? It takes me forever to read it for some reason | |
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Janfriend said: Remember that long as story on the back of the Purple Rain LP? Hello? It takes me forever to read it for some reason
Was that story actually supposed to be about something? Or was it another grande Princely brainfart? "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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glamslamkid said: stuff
Lovesexy is great, but it's like a great painting. You've got one. Why do you need another one? The dude did landscapes, now he wants to do portraits. Tomorrow we start sculpture...you get the picture...I mean painting. | |
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OdysseyMiles said:[quote] glamslamkid said: Lovesexy is great, but it's like a great painting. You've got one. Why do you need another one? The dude did landscapes, now he wants to do portraits.
right on... 
...don't ya'll know that he got a brand new tube of phthalo blue the other day that he wants to try out? | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said:[quote] OdysseyMiles said: glamslamkid said: Lovesexy is great, but it's like a great painting. You've got one. Why do you need another one? The dude did landscapes, now he wants to do portraits.
right on... [img]bob ross was here[/img] ...don't ya'll know that he got a brand new tube of phthalo blue the other day that he wants to try out? I luv you, girl. 
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OdysseyMiles said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: right on... [img]bob ross was here[/img] ...don't ya'll know that he got a brand new tube of phthalo blue the other day that he wants to try out? I luv you, girl.
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