the song just isnt taking off like i thought it would here in the U,S..the video has only been played 4 times on MTV..it hasnt been picked up by VH1
and only ONE Hot/AC station is playing it on a regular basis out of 97 stations..its a shame cuz i really liked this song.. oh well maybe now we can get on with the next album

that's funny - the last time i saw cinammon girl, she was in good health.

It's not going to do well because it's too good of a song to fit in with the rest of today's sorry ass music.

Mazerati said:

I have tried depserately to catch it on MTV ....to no avail. I guess I will miss this one too. Missed Call My Name...this sucks.

Cinnamon Girl is flopping because it's weak. It's nothing new. It sounds cliched and dated.

Simple as.

Had he released ICP&C or What Do U Want Me 2 Do it would've been a different story.

vainandy said:

It' s a very weak, uninspired song. It was a very bad decision to release this as a single.

I think it's the most obvious single on the album. If this doesn't hit then I doubt any other track from Musicology will, either.

Whether the song is good or not, well that's in the eye of the beholder. I get the feeling half the people on here like it and half don't. Certainly not up there with classic Prince singles, but decent enough compared with recent years output.

But put together with the excellent video, it packs a more powerful punch. If the video had been outright banned, perhaps that controversy would have helped it. But it is actually in a bit of limbo where it is too controversial to be shown often but not outright banned. So no wonder it's not getting noticed much.

What it really needed was all the channels to ban it - except one, which really pushed it. Get the best of both worlds.

Certainly, after this single it should be time to move on to newer things. There just aren't any more great singles on the album.

MattyJam said:

Yeah I agree mate. I think it's a nice enough track but it is a dated sound.
A crackin video to ICP&C, or a double A sided release of Marrying Kind/IIWTMIYL would have had a much better chance.

People act like this is a something new from Prince.

HELLLLOOOOO!!!

He NEVER releases the songs from virtually any album which SHOULD HAVE BEEN released. Prince's history is to sell destruct his own album sales and hinder his own mass appeal. This has been the most sour point of his career... period.

Sure as a whole I... we love his body of work. However, few poeple will buy an album 'songs unheard' unless they are a fan already of the artist and assume they will like what's there.... or a true music conosuer (spelling ) of music and tends to buy everything.

The only peeps whom are exposed to Prince's music regularly are other musicaians on various levels in the industry... and his fans. This is why we..and his peers use synonyms like 'genius' and 'revlutionary' when we speak of Prince. The casual music listener...the 'pop audience' buy and support what the industry 'big pocket peeps' tell them. If MTV dont play it... or thier local radio station don't throw it into heavy rotation.... they will not buy it.. they will not support it... they may never know it even exist. These peeps use synonyms like 'has been', 'freak', and 'wierd' when you mention prince.

Sure they can name some tunes... he IS STILL PRINCE and has made some you'ld have to have been def not to ever hear. But most of them can't recal much since Purple Rain and Kiss. sure there have been other hits.. but just as sure as a single released from any album was a commercial hit.... the follow up was a commercial bomb.

The released music after the title track, Call My Name and Cinnamon Girl... would have made good eventual singles... but AFFTER and only AFTER more pop friendly:
Illuision, Coma, Pimp & Circumtance
If Were The Man in Ure Life
The Marrying Kind

You may not lke these tunes or you may think there are the better ones on the album... but they are the most 'commercially smart' tracks on it.

Those three following Musicalogy and released in a timely fashion would have had peeps not compliaining about how he 'outsmarted' or 'cheated' the system with his record sales helping him to achieve double platinum status...

but rather they would have been making comments on how well the actual 'sales' of the album was...IN SPITE OF THE FACT he was giving them away free at concerts.

The whole musicaolgy thing would have had a different spin.. but oh well... we're still stuck with the same Prince we both love and hate..and how he fucks up his album's success with repeated bad choices for releases.

Hate to say i told u so, but i knew that this single would do nothing here in the UK. Terrible song.

ludwig said:

When was the last time musics sucess/popularity was based on it's quality?

When was the last time musics sucess/popularity was based on it's quality? [/quote]


exactly! people are acting like if song a had been released instead of song b or whatever, then radio would have picked up on it. like their opinion is more in tone with the whole of american tastes than someone elses.

and to say cinnamon girl sounds dated and illusion coma should have been released instead i find strange. to me ICP&C uses the same sound for the riff than prince did in 1989 with "sex" and the general sound don't sound like nuthin' new. just my opinion though i guess!

The Song: 'Cinnamon Girl' in my opinion doesn't sound dated!
Its a very good song, it doesn't sound like anything on the radio at the moment!

U2 has the worst song out now!
Yet radio and mtv are all over it and I hate to say this!!!
But if 'Cinnamon Girl' was released by someone else, it wouldve gone further...simply because mtv and radio hates Prince at this point, he's made alot of negative comments towards the radio and video companies...so its definitely gonna be hard to get them to add his songs into heavy rotation!

Of course they jumped all over 'Musicology'...but come on folx, if Prince wouldve released these songs back in the 1980's they would be all over the charts now!

'Call My Name' a gorgeous r&b ballad, took off well on adult urban fm stations...and of course blacks will always support Prince and his genius!

But Mainstream is done with him, unless he kisses major ass and cater to what they want...and that would be for Prince to hook up with todays hottest artist(s) and I guarrantee it will work!

Back in 1999, the rave project didn't work because it was a bitter sweet agreement with Prince and Clive...of course Clive was going through some things himself and then Prince grew impatient and started disrespecting the man publicly...you can't do that if your gonna work with the big dogs and have them work for you.

'Cinnamon Girl' is a great pop song, its better than Lindsay Lohan's Rumor song, or Britney Spears Bobby Brown Remake.
Hell its better than Eminem's Just lose it song!

But because he's made it hard for himself in the mainstream with ppl in the business, of course its gonna be a struggle and the kind of contracts/agreements he signs...which means the lable won't be making money from him...their just pushing a product for nothing, when they got other artist(s) who brings in the bacon.

Prince also has a duty to promote this album and single aswell!
He releases a video without explanation and ppl are all pissed off...just like he changed his name and didn't give the real reason why he changed it!

Come PRINCE, ppl can't read minds!
So If it were me...of course, I wouldve released 'The Marrying Kind' soon after the Musicology single fizzled on Mtv...which they played the hell out of that video and I was so happy to see Prince everyday on 3 video stations!

But 'The Marrying Kind/If I were The Man in your life' would have come out hard!
I would have taken the song to SNL and performed while in NYC for the Madison Square Garden Shows; along with 'A Million Days'- giving the world an ear full of new PRINCE music!

Plus The Today Show- Live Concert Series!
Performed "Musicology, The Marrying Kind/If I were the man in your life & Life O'Party"!

Plus...The Dave Letterman show!!!
I wouldve sat down with the man for our first interview, talked about the album, the tour, and played "Reflection & Take Me With U" Medley with Wendy Melvoin!

Filmed a Video in Ground Zero area of NYC for "A Million Days" and took it to TRL, like he did with TGRE in 1999 to promote Rave!
Plus surprised the audience with an acoustic performance of 'Cinnamon Girl'.

See, thats how you work the media and mainstream, give us what we want and I guarranteed...PRINCE would have had a video after 'Musicology' on MTV in heavy rotation...those were ways of getting not only 'Musicology, but A Million Days and Cinnamon Girl' on the station often.

Now as far as these upcoming award shows go...um, I would have attended the american music awards, atleast introduced 'Gwen Stafani'.

and performed at the Billboard Music Awards!
Basically...rocked the house with a Harder Edge version Of Cinnamon Girl with Explosives and Video Montage behind all the players. Plus a teaser of some new song called 'Glass'

Now thats HOTT!


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Ive been watchin eMpTy Vee every friggin morning
and havent yet seen it play! WTF!

You can see 6 Usher videos back to back
but can I just see Cinnamon Girl once?

...And what happened to VH1??
they played Musicology and Call my Name but
no love for this video?

Dag Vh1, I thought we were cool!

and BET, well I wont even go there again, I give up!

I'm with those who think Cinnamon Girl is just not a great song. Just odd, the video is odd, I just don't see the point. And somebody said that it is confusing to the pop listener who just got off on Musicology. It'll make people not want to buy the CD, because it's just "that weird Prince stuff" again.

I get really excited everytime I hear Call MY Name on the radio. It's as if people are getting a taste of something that we've been in on all the time.

The Marrying Kind would be such a natural. I don't know what folks are thinking. Oh well.. I'd sure like to see a video for that song,

well,I like "Cinnamon Girl"


But let's face it folks,radio doesn't care about artists in their 40s.Sad but true.I never expected this song to become a huge hit.

Cinnamon Girl is only a bad song because the man performing it has set the bar so HIGH for himself that people only notice when he does something truly amazing and groundbreaking.

Even when he DOES do something groundbreaking (hell go back and read Kurt Loder's review of SOTT) people don't give it the props it deserves. We all know how hard his 1980's stuff was and yet with every album topping the last, the critics were all still saying things like, "Wow, this is great but I wonder what he's going to sound like in ten years." or "THis was a great album, but we know there is an album in him that will be a grand statement ala Marvin Gay's Mercy Me."

This all makes me think of Prince's own words on the Musicology album "WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO?"

I mean Prince can't get airplay and Britney Spears does a remake of a mediocre 80's R & B song and everybody is falling over themselves to play it.

We reward "artists" who are confirmed lipsynchers, while singer/songwriters who make statements with every album are left to fight for the spotlight.

Just like we reward a President who is a confirmed liar.

This world makes a brotha want to move to Neptune.

P.S. Have you HEARD Lindsay Lohan's song? And I guarantee that crap will hit in the top ten, if not go to number one. Gee, a song by some teenager about the trials and tribulations of being famous--how novel.

Mazerati said:

That really is ashame, I really really liked the song still do as a matter of fact. The video is too controversal for people in this world. They would have to actually use a smal fragment of their brain to try and understand the message behind it.

QuakeXLE said:

man u have said some of what i've been thinking...all along...true statements....i feel u man

NPD313 said:

I love that song.

Hello, hello ¡Hola!
I'm at a place called Vertigo

I've seen Cinnamon Girl many times on European MTV.
Could it be that the video is to controversial for USA...? Because of the terroristic issues and stuff?
Just guessin'

Cinnamon Girl has a lot of things working against it. First, the message doesn't fit the program here in the U.S. You also factor in that it's Prince who has pissed off many in the industry and you aren't going to see people go out of their way to put him back "on top", especially if they don't stand to profit like they do with one of their own manufactured stars. Besides Prince can't have it both ways-- he can't be an independent artist and still enjoy the "success" he once did. Also there's the fact that he doesn't appeal to the young crowd in general. At his age we shouldn't expect that.

Most importantly, I believe, the song isn't that good. It's enjoyable to some of us fans but it isn't a song that forces them to play the song. It's nothing groundbreaking which, let's be honest, Prince would need to get into major rotation. The song is a decent pop song and I think all Prince was trying to do was get his message out there and remind the masses that he's still making records.
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DavidEye said:

i thought the same way about radio not playing artists in their 40's but they are playing Duran Duran's new one a lot and they are playing the hell out of u2's new one on top 40 radio and those guys are in there mid 40's

I agree with the age distinction in regards to artists in their 40's not getting respect. Unfair, but an unpleasant reality of life. Insecure kids rule the radio and live off peer pressure. As for my part, I just purchased the single from Amazon.com, I also contacted my local Hot AC stations and requested CM. I even contacted one of the R&B stations which had been playing Dear Mr. Man several times and asked them to continue playing it.

Good music with a message is rare, and I think that it's important to support it.

audience1 said:

There it is right there. WE have to vote for the song in polls. We have to request the song on the radio. If these radio groups don't know who wants to hear what then you'll never hear what you want to hear. Cinnamon Girl should be getting lots of play and it apparant that it isn't. We should buy the single when it comes out if it isn't out now and vote for it on MTV.

Just my 2 cents.

howcomeudontcallme said:

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Well according to another poster the song is in the top 40 in the UK. If this is true then you Brits must have bad taste.(LOL)

Nothing wrong with the song. It is no different than " I could never take the place of your man.". Prince is over 40 and it is hard for him to get Top 40 airplay in the states. Plus he pissed a lot of people off the industry.

He had a great year and I am sure he is off to the next project by now. If he is not worrying about it none of the fans should worry.

MattyJam said:

Yup.