a while ago KOP had a thread on there about whether or not people thought that Thriller destroyed mj...which made me think, purple rain destroyed prince.
i mean i wasn't there or nothin so i wont act as if what i'm bout 2 say is the gospel truth but from what i've heard and read purple rain blew prince up 2 super huge rock star status. people who didn't kno a dude named prince existed were sudenly likeing him. and because of purple rain people probly expected him not do anything different. and not go in different musical directions

then he drops around the world in a day.
which sounds nothing like purple rain. thats the first nail in the coffin, then he releases parade. which @ the time probly sounded just as weird if not weirder than atwiad. alot of people were probly threw with him.
and even tho he went on to gain some more fans and make the amazing lovesexy, diamond and pearls and so on..i think purple rain was the beginning of the end of his career. when people think of prince they think of purple rain as if thats the only record he ever recorded.

Most people propably wouldn't think of him at all if it wasn't for Purple Rain. I'd say he's doing pretty good these days.

Nah, I don't believe it did that to P. Purple Rain just got his career majorly off the ground. Some artists like to experiment.

calldapplwondery83 said:

thats true. but because of purple rain i think people kind of tried to box him in2 one catagory and after purple rain when he went outside of that box it seems alot of people turned on him

I know COUNTLESS numbers of people that held on through "Around The World In A Day" thinking the next album would be different. When they heard the weirdness of "Parade", that was it...they were through. There have been songs that have been exceptions that they enjoy like "Adore" or "Scandalous" but they didn't buy the albums because they knew the "old Prince" was not back and they would be burned just like they were with "Around The World In A Day" and "Parade".

The fans that left him that act like "Purple Rain" was the only album he ever recorded were the pop fans. Prince had a huge R&B following since the beginning of his career. There was rock, as well as R&B, on all the earlier albums but it took the pop world years later to catch up when they heard "Little Red Corvette".

As much as I love "Purple Rain", the album and the movie, I almost wish it had never been released because it made him such a huge star that he could afford to stop being cutting edge.

prince killed prince's career when he refused to see that the music buying public no longer bought into "larger then life" acts....

ditto w/ mj..

thats why madge lasted longer...she saw this and mellowed out and started acting real...

prince did this with Musicology and its worked to an extent...the problem with Musicology is that the music hasnt shown growth...Madge got lucky and that her normalcy concided with a groundbreaking (for her) album; Ray Of Light.

Lets not forget that Prince had a groundbreaking album after Purple Rain in SOTT...and huge selling albums after Purple Rain in Batman and Diamond & Pearls...

but when prince should have become human he wrote slave on his face, changed his name to something unpronouncable and went on Oprah claiming he was sybil...

at the same time mj simply couldnt grow up.....nor stop changing his face...

they both alienated themselves from the record buying public.....
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It's an albatross, but to say it destroyed him is too dramatic and over the top. His career ebbs and flows.
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Moonwalkbjrain said:

silly MJ fan nonsense, obviously not a true music lover, there is nothing weird on ATWIAD and on Parade

It was Princes choice to release ATWIAD after Purple Rain. In my view he purposely decided not to do a 'Purple Rain 2' and I respect him for that.

Had Purple Rain not been such a huge hit his later albums might not have sold at all and maybe we wouldn't have got to hear all the great music that came afterwards. Just my

How is the world did Purple Rain Destroy Prince when he put another album out as fast as he could ATWIAD.

Jacko was the one that milked Thriller from 1982-1985. Begged for new awards after 1982? How in the world was Jacko getting awards for a album released in 1982 still in 1985?? Lets not forget the full 10 YEARS of Greatest Hits Packages milking the same crap we all have.

Prince has never milked Purple Rain, he ran from it! He could have had a Tour in Europe for all of 1985 maybe 1986. But he didnt he put out "Around the World in a Day"

Prince from 1984 (purple rain) - 1987 Put Out: 2 Single Disk Albums, a Double Disk Album & 2 Movies.

Jacko from 1982 (thriller) - 1987 Put Out: nothing but Bad. Which was yet another rip off of "Off The Wall".

If it wasn't for "Blood on the Dance Floor" EVERY Solo ALBUM is a rip off of "Off The Wall".

soulyacolia said:

There was a Purple Rain 2. It was a cheap movie called "Graffiti Bridge".
Graffiti Bridge killed Prince! ( Actually it was Under the Cherry Moon)
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Purple Rain didn't destroy him, it MADE him.
The commercial success was the so called "top of the mountain" and Prince realised that it wasn't what it was all about and there was much more to it than that. It was all about the MUSIC and being happy, not being rich. It's even mentioned on songs like "Don't Play Me" - "I've been to the mountain top and it ain't what it seems". And "The Ladder" is basically about the whole essence of that being IT and famous and a celebrity isn't everything and it isn't "a salvation of the soul".
I think the success of Purple Rain changed him, but for the good.

MashedPotatoKid said:

true,



I don't think its weird, but i know there r people who did/do.

stupid fuckin thread.

purple rain destroyed prince????

destroyed prince

if thats destruction then im indestructible!!!

I'd have to say that Purple Rain established him. Maybe he wouldn't sell that many albums again, but still he consistently kept putting albums out there, each one more different than the last. I have to say that I enjoyed Prince. I would have bought them whether the public were into him or not. Not only did he give you different music, but a different look, a different everything. You never knew what you were gonna expect from him. I admit he got a little boring in the later half of the 90s, after Gold Experience, but hey, you can't always write a hit. For me, Prince has always remained interesting, even when he was at his nuttiest. Unfortunately, as talented as Michael Jackson is, he has always had trouble redefining himself and getting beyond that Disney thing he has. He got stuck with that Thriller/Off the Wall sound and just trying to get beyond it has been tough for him and his stuff winds up not sounding like it's gone through any growth. Now, granted, I thought Prince was more interesting when he was oversexed and pissed off, I do have to give it to him that he's consistently putting new music out there and continually redefining himself.

I'm still anxiously awaiting the next phase when he'll just say "fuck it" and return to his usual rebelness.


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MashedPotatoKid said:

U r so right. I totally agree with u on that one

sosgemini said:

Some interesting points through this whole thread.

I liked this one the best

orgjacko said:

and let's not forget Madhouse, The Family...

Purple Rain destroyed Prince? Nonsense. He peaked during SOTT and Lovesexy. If anything killed him it's ...

without a doubt Purple Rain was Prince's launch 2 the world stage...he has said previously that it was an albatross around his neck...perhaps it is By Divine Design comparison is made Btween Prince & Michael so lets do a quick overview of results N from the last 20 years (Purple Rain & Thriller) Prince built Paisley Park:a world class recording studio & sound stage & expanded his music through other artists & projects...Michael built Neverland...look at the volume of music Prince released (&we all know there is more N the vault)some of which the wider world is only Beginning 2 discover...N relation 2 the few Michael has...4 me it all goes back 2 that little guy that said he was 'gonna write, sing & play his own music cuz without somebody doing it 4 them (Michael & the Jackson5) they wouldn't Be doing nothing'....have U ever seen a picture of Michael even Holding an instrument ("Music & Me")it don't even LOOK natural... as far as the rain Being the destruction of Prince's career...who is this talk about...why R we here again? i4get...
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yes and no.

Purple Rain destroyed Prince? Nope.

Unlike Michael Jackson, who is constantly trying to top or equal "thriller" with each album, Prince was never really a victim of the massive success of "Purple Rain". In many ways it was like a monkey off of his back. He proved that he could have a monster commercial album and that freed him up to be able to to whatever he wanted. That's why he could make "around the world in a day" and "parade" etc. Poor Michael stayed away soooo long trying to make "Bad" bigger than "Thriller" but he never could repeat history. Prince realized this early on an benefitted from it.

sosgemini said:

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Madge has lasted and his fading at this time because she has tits and ass.
P and Mike have more talent in their toes than Madge has in her whole body.

You don't think Prince has been real since the late 90's when he started to wake-up to the B.S in the music industry.

He also went on Oprah to try and explain himself and handled himself pretty well on the program. That is when he started to turn things around. What program were you looking at (LOL) and Ray of Light sucks.

skywalker said:

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You hit the nail on the head. P has never been in Mike position.

Purple Rain was just another one of Prince's experiments -- which just happened to hit the right nerve with people. During this time, Prince even played-out the quiet mysterious troubled "Kid" persona from the film. Less than 2 years later, that "Kid" turns into a very different out-going mischievous "Christopher" persona during the Parade era. Every album was a different work of art. None of them destroyed Prince. It's only the people who didn't understand Prince that thought he would continue to release another album like the one before. He's rarely done that.

I look at Purple Rain as more of a graduation than a destruction. With Purple Rain, he had taken that whole Purple image and sound to the pinnacle. When you graduate, you don't often keep ALL your old friends. Just the ones that are willing to grow with you.

I remember reading somewhere that even Prince never wanted the fame that Purple Rain gave him. But he sure did soak it up once it hit him.



I've always thought that SOTT would've been a better follow up to 1999. he would've slowly climbed the ladder of fame if that was released instead.


Has anyone ever wondered WHY purple rain Blew Up?

Was it the Movie, a perfect visual accompaniment to the album?
Was it When Doves Cry, a perfect blend of Electronic music, Dance, Funk and Pop?
Was it Let's go crazy, a carry over of his little Red Corvette Rock /pop Fame?

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sosgemini said:

Actually the "larger than life" thing is the best part about him. These current artists all look the same and could easily blend in with a crowd of "average Joe's".

I think a star should look like a star. The rest of the artists and their "realness" need to take a lesson from Prince and start looking like a star instead of little boys in football jerseys and jeans.