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Printablemozfonky said: I'm just pointing out that traditionally, those notes are not counted. The dog whistle notes that Mariah Carey sings don't count either. Being as our music is based on a lot of the classical tradition, it's worth mentioning that. And yeah I know classical guys can't do rock and vice-versa. My point is if you find his range, do you count the falsetto? Would a knowledgable person count it? I don't know, not that it matters.
Let me end this falsetto argument. What this mozfonky person is talking about is garbage to me. I'm not classically trained, don't know shit about it but I have common sense. Obviously everyone doesn't have that ability. Saying those notes don't "count" sounds like bullshit created by people weren't given that amazong natural ability and doesn't have that vocal ability. Kinda like the way they give all the special olympic participants a medal so they'll feel better, so they tell you people who train classically that they don't count to make it possible for everyone to "learn how to sing". A good formal base is always great to have, but either you have it or you don't. You can try to shine a pile of shit all you want but it's never gonna shine. One more analogy to this rant, saying they don't count is like saying Michael Vick running for a touchdown doens't mean anything because everyone doesn't have 4.2 speed, or because everyone can't jump 42 inches, Michael jordan shouldnt have been given credit for dunks. It's silly logic. [Edited 10/29/04 10:55am] | |
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kdj997 said: mozfonky said: I'm just pointing out that traditionally, those notes are not counted. The dog whistle notes that Mariah Carey sings don't count either. Being as our music is based on a lot of the classical tradition, it's worth mentioning that. And yeah I know classical guys can't do rock and vice-versa. My point is if you find his range, do you count the falsetto? Would a knowledgable person count it? I don't know, not that it matters.
Let me end this falsetto argument. What this mozfonky person is talking about is garbage to me. I'm not classically trained, don't know shit about it but I have common sense. Obviously everyone doesn't have that ability. Saying those notes don't "count" sounds like bullshit created by people weren't given that amazong natural ability and doesn't have that vocal ability. Kinda like the way they give all the special olympic participants a medal so they'll feel better, so they tell you people who train classically that they don't count to make it possible for everyone to "learn how to sing". A good formal base is always great to have, but either you have it or you don't. You can try to shine a pile of shit all you want but it's never gonna shine. One more analogy to this rant, saying they don't count is like saying Michael Vick running for a touchdown doens't mean anything because everyone doesn't have 4.2 speed, or because everyone can't jump 42 inches, Michael jordan shouldnt have been given credit for dunks. It's silly logic. [Edited 10/29/04 10:55am] I don't know whether falsetto "counts" or not (in my mind it does), but I think they're saying, using your analogy, with falsetto it's like saying Yao Ming jumps higher than Michael Jordan because he can reach his hand higher. The natural voice would be like the space beneath the feet, and the falsetto would be how high the hand reaches. Not saying I agree, just trying to clarify. And not every man can hit those falsetto notes. They ought to count for something! Check this song out at:
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kdj997 said: mozfonky said: I'm just pointing out that traditionally, those notes are not counted. The dog whistle notes that Mariah Carey sings don't count either. Being as our music is based on a lot of the classical tradition, it's worth mentioning that. And yeah I know classical guys can't do rock and vice-versa. My point is if you find his range, do you count the falsetto? Would a knowledgable person count it? I don't know, not that it matters.
Let me end this falsetto argument. What this mozfonky person is talking about is garbage to me. I'm not classically trained, don't know shit about it but I have common sense. Obviously everyone doesn't have that ability. Saying those notes don't "count" sounds like bullshit created by people weren't given that amazong natural ability and doesn't have that vocal ability. Kinda like the way they give all the special olympic participants a medal so they'll feel better, so they tell you people who train classically that they don't count to make it possible for everyone to "learn how to sing". A good formal base is always great to have, but either you have it or you don't. You can try to shine a pile of shit all you want but it's never gonna shine. One more analogy to this rant, saying they don't count is like saying Michael Vick running for a touchdown doens't mean anything because everyone doesn't have 4.2 speed, or because everyone can't jump 42 inches, Michael jordan shouldnt have been given credit for dunks. It's silly logic. [Edited 10/29/04 10:55am] Let me end the arguement, I think you guys just hate the intimation of a "cultured classical" viewpoint because you see it as elitist. You're responding to the wrong person, I am an american indian, I got no use at all for white folks really, I was merely pointing out some things and you guys with your complexes get bent out of shape. I've already stated that classical is largely bullshit in terms of american music, that does not mean it has not had any impact on it, the impact is there whether we like it or not, I really do not. I would love to claim american music as indigenous but not all of it is. There was a world of music in europe,africa and asia before we even got started. I sing falsetto myself, do I count those notes? I don't know, it doesn't really matter that much but I do believe dog whistles and such should be dismissed. Meaning, you cannot even use some notes. Believe me the higher you get, the more difficult it is to enunciate and pronounce words, hence the little gimmicks which make up a ridiculous range that would be demonstrably false under a test of any kind. I don't like hype that's all. Now, I will point out again what I have said before, Prince's range, for someone with a reputation for having a high voice has a normal voice range much deeper than your average pop singer. In his normal voice he has a limited upper register not that that's bad, it's just his range, someone like Jackie Wilson has a normal voice range a lot higher but couldn't get very low at all. Nobody is inhuman enough to be able to do any and everything. | |
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[Edited 10/29/04 16:52pm] good one dude, I figured some wise ass would say something about that, my crappy computer posted the damn thing three times and the system would not let me erase them. so C. | |
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