Do you think Wytnon really considers it Jazz? I'm sure Branford loves it, if he's hrd it or seen the show, being the more soulful one of the two.


Peace!

Ok we all know Wynton Marsalis is very critical of "What is Jazz?" and "What is not?" And some people have proclaimed him the official current 'Ambassador of Jazz' even tho I wouldn't agree with that title for him 100%.

GeMiNiSFuNkYJaMs said:

You realize there is a big big difference between considering something aesthetically as jazz and actually liking it? Many people can and do like other music that is not at all jazz while having a stricter accounting for what qualifies as jazz. I'm one of them.

GeMiNiSFuNkYJaMs said:

You should start dealing in facts and not innuendo. This is media crap you've picked up from the jazz mags. In addition to being a trumpeter and composer,

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Whoa! So much anger in this brother's voice!!! What is the deal with you man?! Dang! U are a accusatory type dude, man! Aint nobody lookin to fight you up in here! Jeez!

who's angry? You're just unable to deal with the power of my words. Notice that nothing in my post was aimed at you personally. You have a viewpoint that I STRONGLY disagree with and I've stated it. Ahh but you had to go to the edge of name calling. Think about it cuz i could really lash out at you1

For your opinion, I do deal in facts not innuendo! lol, wow u r a trip person man! I never said who gave him that title tho I know for the most part white folks did and tho I know old Jazz heads and black folks in the community did not!!! So I know it ain't real! Beleive me I am well aware of what is trade mag hype and what is not! Duh!? Musican and composer No shit?!

I'm now totally convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Who are these "white folks"? Can you even show me 3 "black folks in the community" that even listen to Wynton's music?

"Marsalis serves as artistic director for the internationally recognised Jazz at Lincoln Center program, which he co-founded in 1987. Under his leadership, the jazz department earned the distinction of being named Lincoln Center's first new constituent organisation since 1969."

Duh. Wow! U preachin to the choir man. I know where the man works too. And am aware of his titles and accomlishments. And some other stuff that happened with Marsalis from the up top level at CBS and Lincoln Center after Miles died I;m not even gonna get into here cuz its too deep and might even blow your critical mind tho u prob wouldnt admit it!

Honestly, very litle you could say would do that unless you were Wynton himself, Delfeayo, Wes, Tain, Branford or even Dave Berger
ref:http://www.sonyclassical.com/artists/marsalis/

As he manages a significant budget and authorizes which works eventually get commissioned, there's a lot of bitterness in the jazz community about WM's influence regarding and what works get the funding. His opinions on electric jazz or fusion and the jazz avant-garde are known and well-publicized. Doubtless there are a few (some good some bad some ugly) who resent this attitude, hence the meida fascination with him. An anti-Wynton article every few years sells issues (though I think the avant-garde side of things is tired of it all).
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Wynton was ill about Miles as well so that means NO mans safe from his opinions~ When its all said & done Prince's impact will B so far reaching that only a real fool would take the time 2 hate. Sidebar: Even Rick James on a TV clip gave Prince props 4 helping 2 break down the doors. Remember old bitter Rick back in the day....People can change & so can there opinions of others~

Sexymothafuka said:

I remember it well. I didn't know he gave him props.

Wynton is full of shit...

and you aren't? Wynton talked mroe than he really should have and often put his foot in his mouth. Herbie Hancock tells a story about Wynton dissing Miles to some reporters (I think MUSICIAN) and freaked out when he realized what he had said would be on the record. Herbie said Wynton calls up Miles and Miles says forget about it and relates a time that he had dissed out Dizzy Gillespie (this never happened, BTW, but Miles wanted Wynton to calm down as it was still early in his career).

He dissed his own brother (Branford) for the type of music he plays...

Branford broke up the BLACK CODES band to play with Sting. He took Kenny Kirkland and 'Tain with him. Damn! that quintet was just hittin' its stride. They were really fuckin' good. Compared to the BLUE TURTLES band? Yeah I dissed Branford too for that bullshit!...still went to go see Sting though

Miles didn't respect Wynton for not trying to experiment.

Kinda. More like Miles felt Wynton was recreating the music he had already done in 50s and 60s. Miles was trying to figure out why that needed to be done


It bothered Miles that Wynton dissed his brother in public and

That was funny; let he who is without sin...Miles has a history of publicly embarrassing musicians, like Hank Mobeley's attempt to replace 'Trane, for their performance.

Miles once told Wynton to "get the fuck off my stage"

This remark goes back to a time in Montreal (or maybe it was Montreux). Miles had his band up there and CBS brass planned a WYNTON MEETS MILES summit. Wynton was in the wings trying to find a spot to fit in, but since he hadn't played funk in a long time (he and Branford made pocket change doing EWF & PFUNK covers and you can check him the FUSE ONE session) he didn't know where to fit in. So Mile stold him to fly. Frankly, given a lot of the stuff Miles was playing was sub-par for what he had done before


...Read Miles Davis' autobiography.

[b] The "autobiography" (ghosted by Quicy Troupe) is heavily criticized for some fabrication and plagirism from other works. Most notably the Ian Carr bio and Jack Chambers 2 Volume MILESTONES bio. For an emphasis on the later, electric period, get Paul Tingen's book: THE ELECTRIC MUSIC OF MILES DAVIS. It includes some details on the Prince period