vainandy said:

So do you think it would have made better sense for Prince to have confined himself to that one particular style in order to hold onto his original fan base?

What a loss to the world if he did...

I buy Prince albums (all of his released works up to date). If I like them I like them. If I don't it usually doesn't mean because it's weird, I just don't have a taste for them yet. But Prince is unquestionably real. I just think it's a type of realness rarely seen in the industry. Prince took points from people like James Brown who was funky and seemed spontaneous, but rehearsed his band to the point that if someone made a mistake they would be severely punished. You can't have a tight live show and not be rehearsed. Yes plenty of bands even Prince's band jam on impromptu gigs but the reason why they gel together even when the jam isn't planned is because they regularly rehearse together trying out different sounds and feeling eachother out. That's why Prince can call for a certain solo at a point or call for the turnaround whenever he feels like it and pretty much be at ease on the stage because he knows even when they're on a spontaneous jam, he has a good feel for every musician and where they're going. I've heard Maceo solo so much that I can almost feel where he's going next. But it's still real. I think rehearsed and contrived are different things. You can be rehearsed and still mean it. Contrived means you're doing something whether you mean it or not just for the reaction it may cause. Prince really loves to do what he does I don't think you can use the word contrived to describe someone who doesn't eat sleep or even emerge out of their studio until their work is complete. Music defines Prince and no one no critics or otherwise can convince me he does it for any other reason than the fact that if he doesn't he would be the most miserable human being alive.

vainandy said:

Now thats where you are wrong. A lot ofhis orginal fanbase is true fans so they (like myself) went along with P on his rocky but funky journey to find self enlightment and freedom.
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adorable2 said:

Well Said.

I know exactly what you are saying Hotlegs, the same goes for me also. I have been a huge fan since "I Wanna Be Your Lover". There were many different styles of music already from the beginning through "Purple Rain" but the one in 1985 was totally drastic. It went from totally futuristic to totally retro. If you really think about it though, since 1985, there has not really been another drastic change. Sure there have been rap spells, jazz spells, and house spells, but it has always gone right back to retro just as it has been since 1985.

I have all the albums and enjoy all the albums, if I didn't I would not continue to buy them. Each time I buy a new one, I usually end up listening to it a few months and putting it on the shelf and pulling out the older ones before 1985. Whenever I feel in a certain mood I may pull out one of the newer ones.

The only thing I'm saying is, I know countless people that were HUGE Prince fans back in the day. They had every single album, every single 45, and every single 12 Inch. Everytime you saw them, their main topic of conversation was usually Prince. Some of them were almost as obsessed as the lunatic that started this thread. Like I said, I've been a fan since "I Wanna Be Your Lover", a lot of them were fans since "For You". I would consider these people true Prince fans.

When "Around The World In A Day" was released, everyone was disappointed but still gave Prince another chance. When everyone heard the single "Kiss", they thought the "old Prince" was back. When everyone bought the album and heard all this "weird" stuff, that did it for them. I have a wider variety of tastes that most of them so I could get into a lot of the stuff, eventually...except for three tracks, "Sometimes It Snows In April", "Alexa de Paris", and "Do U Lie". The first time in history that I didn't get into every single track on a Prince album.

I continued on being a fan and buying the music and they didn't. I would not say that they are not true Prince fans though, because they were. Prince got "far out" in the middle of the game and they said the hell with him. Every one of them that I have run into over the years will admit that if the "old Prince" were to come back from La-La Land that they would be back in a heartbeat. Like I said, I like all of the albums but I am not going to lie, I prefer the older ones before 1985 BY FAR.

The only thing I meant was, Prince has hardcore fans from back in the day that he has totally turned his back on. He has been stuck in this retro mood since 1985, he could at least release ONE album from the vault for the ORIGINAL fans, the fans of the "old Prince".

vainandy said:

There's an old saying "When the average get savage, it's the victim's compliment". You're a balm for my soul, andy. Keep it up!

"So he has been rapping since 1988...he lost a large part of his R&B fans in 1985. Looks like an attempt at getting them back to me."

What looks like an attempt to "get them back?" "Parade"? "Sign 'o' the Times"? Hell, in Parade he had a French girl rapping-Was that Prince trying to "get back" his French fans? Just because he incorporated hip hop into his mix does not mean that it was a blatant attempt to "get back his black fans". He was trying something new, and his hardcore fans (black, white or whatever) were always there with him. Prince said it himself-The same fans that bought "1999" still bought "Around the World in a day" after the "Purple Rain" hype was overand the casual fans had left.



"Call it what you want, "R&B" or "black", who cares...this strong fanbase was definately with him from the start. These were his original fans, the one's that made him a star in the first place and put him to the point that he could make a groundbreaking, highly successful movie. That's what I have been saying all along, you're not pointing out anything new to me. A large part of this original fan base left because of the "weird" stuff beginning in 1985. He also lost a lot of his new-found pop fans because of this also."

Again, Prince made himself a star. It could be said that Prince turned off a lot of R & B fans with the "Dirty Mind" era. Especially with the tour-it was heavily slanted towards the rock side. Does that mean black folks didn't dig Prince anymore? No. It means that all the people who thought he was cute with "I wanna be your lover" were like "WTF???" when "Dirty Mind" hit. Again, Prince made himself a star and doesn't need to cater to his audience or be pigeon holed. Why does he have to be Mr. Purple Rain all the time? His fans (no matter what race they are) are very die hard and it is only the masses and the media who are turned on and off by Prince's whims.

Obviously you have an ideal image of Prince in your head of what he should be/sound like. You seem to have this idea that in 1985 Prince started losing his way. For years and years people have said "oops this is the year that Prince lost his mind." Yet, here we are in 2004 and he is having his most successful run since 1984 or 1991. You seem to hold on to this idea that Prince from 1978-1984 is "the real Prince". Many people have their own criteria or era that, for them, defines "the real Prince". Here's how it is-Prince is Prince. If you can't get over the fact that he's hardly the same from year to year then that is something you need to work out.

PS. If your friends were "true Prince fans" but they jumped off the purple bus because of "Around the World in a Day", they were not "true Prince fans" at all.
Also, what is "a retro mood" that you claim Prince has been in since 1985? Is it using real instruments and not using 1980's "futuristic" sounds? If you only really love Prince before 1985 it sounds like you are the one who is in a retro mood. Somebody call Marty McFly.
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vainandy said:

That comment seems pretty arrogant. It makes the suggestion that Prince is somehow indebted to his early fans, and somehow owes them something for being “hardcore”.

I want Prince to release only the music that moves him…and I only ask the opportunity to share in his joy of that music.

I don’t claim to know why Prince releases certain music, but I think it’s fair to assume it’s a combination of love and commercialism. Regardless, the reasons for, and the benefit of, are solely his own.

Let me phrase another way.
The sun doesn’t shine for us. But that doesn’t mean we can’t bask in its rays.

If Prince told you that the sky was falling would you believe it? A lot of the new pop fans that discovered Prince with "Little Red Corvette" leaving would be casual fans. A very large part of the original R&B fan base left also. These fans had supported him from the very beginning. They didn't leave because they were a casual fan, they left because Prince started dishing out stuff they didn't want to hear.




Prince has mixed funk and rock from the very first album, "For You". "I'm Yours" was a rock track. The second album "Prince", contained two rock tracks, "Bambi" and "Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad". "Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad" got a lot of R&B airplay and was well liked in the R&B world.

R&B fans had no problem when "Dirty Mind" came out because they were used to rock from day one. "Uptown", a rock track, got much R&B airplay.

"Controversy" contained even more rock tracks, "Sexuality" (which got a little R&B airplay), "Ronnie Talk To Russia", "Annie Christian", and "Jack U Off".

Then he released "1999", another album well loved in the R&B world. "Little Red Corvette" got much R&B airplay as well as the majority of the tracks on the album. After all this, then the pop world finally discovers him with "Little Red Corvette". There had already been 4 albums out already with rock tracks on each one of them and it took the pop world that long to catch on.

I don't know where you were back then when all this was taking place but I was there.




The pop fans are the only ones wanting him to be Mr. Purple Rain. The R&B fans were into him long before that.



I never said the "real Prince", I said the "old Prince". There is a big difference between the words "real" and "old"

As far as getting over the fact that he changes year to year, the "old Prince" changed every year also. Each album from 1979-1984 was totally different and no one had a problem with them. When people started having a problem was in 1985 and especially 1986. The majority of R&B as well as pop fans, especially back then, will never accept classical or jazz in the music.



That's your opinion.




I love Prince's music all the way through, I "prefer" the earlier stuff. I have a right to my preferences and you do to. The retro mood you asked about is a 1960s/1970s mood. He's been stuck in it since 1985. It's great now because everyone's else's music sounds like shit but in the late 1980s when music as a whole was half way decent, Prince should have been in there kicking ass and giving them a run for their money. I'd love to hear at least one more album from the "old Prince", that sound would be considered retro nowadays.
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vainandy said:

Thank-You Vainalady 4 setting the untrue fans of straight. agree with you 100%. its true that the true fans of have been w/him since the 70's and haven't left. For example, I actually started digging P in the 70's when my mom 1st bought the 45 single of I want to be your lover.

"If Prince told you that the sky was falling would you believe it? A lot of the new pop fans that discovered Prince with "Little Red Corvette" leaving would be casual fans. A very large part of the original R&B fan base left also. These fans had supported him from the very beginning. They didn't leave because they were a casual fan, they left because Prince started dishing out stuff they didn't want to hear."


I'd believe Prince about what is happening with his music and it affect on him sooner than I'd believe you. You are speaking broadly for a lot of people. Maybe you circle of friends got turned off by Prince's direction after 1985, but you circle of friends does not constitute Prince's hardcore R&B fanbase.



"That's your opinion."

True, but a great deal of people around this website would agree that a true Prince fan doesn't run away at the psychadelic vibe of "Around the World in a Day" or the classical strings in "Parade". Tony M/Jughead is what we run from.


"I love Prince's music all the way through, I "prefer" the earlier stuff. I have a right to my preferences and you do to. The retro mood you asked about is a 1960s/1970s mood. He's been stuck in it since 1985. It's great now because everyone's else's music sounds like shit but in the late 1980s when music as a whole was half way decent, Prince should have been in there kicking ass and giving them a run for their money. I'd love to hear at least one more album from the "old Prince", that sound would be considered retro nowadays."

Question- is "housequake" retro? "The Black Album" retro? Most Prince music does NOT sound like 1960's or 70's. "Gett off" seems "retro"? It seems to me that you consider "old" Prince to not have a retro sound because from 1978-1984 he used a lot of 1980's electronic synth sounds. From 1985 on he started to incorporate a more organic sound-real instruments.Not retro my friend, just not cheesy 80's synths.

You are entitled to your opinion no doubt,I'll leave you with this:

1. your experiences and feelings about Prince's sound does not represent how his hardcore fanbase feels/felt about Prince or his musical direction.

2.Prince's music from 1985 on is not "retro". Some of it is tinted with music from other eras, but retro is way inaccurate. Lenny Kravitz, Maxwell, now those guys are retro.
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i refuse to diss anybody here cause we are all into the same dude.....
i will say that prince was and always will be the most funky , prolific...and all around badass single ...self contained artist in the industry....i could care less what changes he's going through in his music...its simple...if i aint feeling it...i dont play it...he owes us nothing...and he's given us already like 50x more to choose from that any other legends in the game...so...rock on P
GREAT THREAD !!!!!

prettymansson said:

Well Said.

I'm talking about a lot more people than my circle of friends. I've heard perfect strangers talk about it also. I remember being in a record store a few weeks after "Parade" was released. Two girls asked the clerk if she could listen to a little bit of it before she bought it. One girl said she bought "Around The World In A Day" and it was shit and she had spoken with several people that had bought "Parade" and they all told her it was even worse. When the man played pieces of each track for her, she started cussing and saying that she had all his albums but now Prince has lost his damned mind. The record store was full of people and they all started laughing and agreeing with her.

I'm really beginning to wonder how old you are because if you had been around back then, you definately would have run into people that felt the same way.




Of course a lot of people on this site would say that. Everyone here, including myself, continued being fans. That still does not mean that the early fans were not true fans.

Let me ask you a question. You have been into Prince for years and consider yourself a hardcore fan, right? If Prince were to release an album of 12 tracks of complete silence and called it "art", it would piss you off right? If he released another album of complete silence, you would not continue buying his music? No you wouldn't. Would that mean that you were not a hardcore fan because you stopped buying it? No. That would mean that you are a hardcore fan that does not like the new direction that Prince is going in.




Yes, very 1970s retro.

howcomeudontcallme said:

cause he has a dick. If he had a pussy he would be "just a woman"


oh yes they are


let's not get all religious here, it's just (pop) music

"I'm talking about a lot more people than my circle of friends. I've heard perfect strangers talk about it also. I remember being in a record store a few weeks after "Parade" was released. Two girls asked the clerk if she could listen to a little bit of it before she bought it. One girl said she bought "Around The World In A Day" and it was shit and she had spoken with several people that had bought "Parade" and they all told her it was even worse. When the man played pieces of each track for her, she started cussing and saying that she had all his albums but now Prince has lost his damned mind. The record store was full of people and they all started laughing and agreeing with her."



Although I appreciate you story about the record store, the cussing girl hardly represents a hardcore fan. How can you appreciate or even begin to actually "hear" an album from listening to a couple of seconds from snuippets of songs? A lot of people had all of Prince's albums after "purple Rain" hit. You know why? They went out and bought 'em all in 1984! That doesn't make them "hardcore Prince fans".That makes them bandwagon jumpers.

Yeah, without question, the general population couldn't/wouldn't keep up with Prince's musical style changes after "Purple Rain". Your friends included, perhaps. The fact is that the 3 albums after "purple rain" sold better than the 3 albums before "purple rain". That seems to show that Prince had actually broadened his hardcore fanbase. Sure, he alienated many people in 1985 with "Around the World in a Day", but he sure had a hell of a lot more hardcore fans than he did previous to 1984.

"I'm really beginning to wonder how old you are because if you had been around back then, you definately would have run into people that felt the same way."

I've never ran into anybody who considered/s themself a hardcore Prince fan who thought that all of his albums after "Purple Rain" were shit.

"Of course a lot of people on this site would say that. Everyone here, including myself, continued being fans. That still does not mean that the early fans were not true fans."

You are right. Early fans were true fans. However, it is now 2004. Someone who got into Prince any time before 1988 can possibly be considered a fan of "early Prince". I am not disputing the fact that Prince turned off some of his fans with "around the World in a day". I am claiming that , on the whole, his hardcore fanbase did not leave in droves in 1985,like you are saying. The fact is Prince had a larger hardcore fanbase in 1985, 1986,etc. than he did previous to 1984.

"Let me ask you a question. You have been into Prince for years and consider yourself a hardcore fan, right?" Yes

"If Prince were to release an album of 12 tracks of complete silence and called it "art", it would piss you off right?" Yes

If he released another album of complete silence, you would not continue buying his music? No you wouldn't. Would that mean that you were not a hardcore fan because you stopped buying it? No. That would mean that you are a hardcore fan that does not like the new direction that Prince is going in.

Comparing "Around the World in a day" and "Parade" to an album of complete silence really makes no sense. It is a flawed argument. No, I would not buy an album of silence. Sure, Prince has released albums that I haven't liked as much as what came before. However, there have always been something I have dug about each album. How can a "hardcore" Prince fan, who liked every album of his up to "Purple Rain", not gonna dig "raspberry Beret" "pop life" or "America"? How is any Prince fans that loved Prince up to "purple rain" not gonna like "kiss" "girls and Boys" or "Sometimes it snows in April". Of course opinions are opinions and everyone has a different one, but I still disagree that Prince sent the majority of hardcore fans away with "around the World in a day" and "parade".


"Question- is "housequake" retro? "The Black Album" retro?"

"Yes, very 1970s retro."

"Dead on it" and "Bob George" sound like they are from the 1970's? Not really. "around the World in a day" had a 60's vibe, but it didn't sound just like an album from the 60's? Who used drum Machines in the 60's? "Housequake" has a definite James Brown influence, but it doesn't sound just like any James Brown song.
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She heard a retro vibe and knew that was not the "old Prince" she was accustomed to. When the man played a piece of "Alexa de Paris", the whole store went up in laughter. And I truly do not believe that that girl went out and bought all those albums after "Purple Rain" came out. Prince already had a HUGE R&B following before the pop world ever discovered him.

That is only one incident though, there are countless others and far too many to name. I can tell you this though, I did not invent the term "the old Prince". I remember countless radio and club DJs started using the term right after "Around The World In A Day" came out. Even listeners would call in and request a song by the "old Prince". The name has stuck all these years.



"Around The World In A Day" was released without a single leading the way as a warning. Many of the old fans bought it on the day it was released without knowing what was on it. Everyone, both R&B and pop fans, as a whole bought it because "Purple Rain" had been so big and they couldn't wait to see what was next.

The single that led the way for "Parade" was "Kiss". This single misled a lot of people into thinking that the "old Prince" was back. The rest of the album is nothing like "Kiss".

By the time "Sign O The Times" was released, a large part of the older R&B fans, as well as the pop fans, were gone. Only certain fans remained and new fans started listening because they liked the style change, as supposed to the earlier ones that didn't.




Well, I've run into plenty.




The "early Prince" or "old Prince" has been bebated for years. The majority of the R&B fans I have run into will say it is the Prince before "Around The World In A Day". I've also run into a lot of pop fans that say it lasted until 1990. I have noticed, though, that a lot of pop fans refuse to believe that he had such a large R&B following before they ever heard of him.
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"She heard a retro vibe and knew that was not the "old Prince" she was accustomed to. When the man played a piece of "Alexa de Paris", the whole store went up in laughter. And I truly do not believe that that girl went out and bought all those albums after "Purple Rain" came out. Prince already had a HUGE R&B following before the pop world ever discovered him."

Okay-enough with the retro vibe. Put up a poll on this website and ask people if every Prince album since 1985 has had a "retro vibe". Who would ever describe Prince's music as retro? At times? yes. On the whole? No.

"That is only one incident though, there are countless others and far too many to name. I can tell you this though, I did not invent the term "the old Prince". I remember countless radio and club DJs started using the term right after "Around The World In A Day" came out. Even listeners would call in and request a song by the "old Prince". The name has stuck all these years."

I can also name countless times that people have dissed Prince. It still doesn't change the fact that you are wrong that most of his fanbase ditched him in 1985. Some people wanted "old Prince". Hell, 1991 is "old Prince" nowadays.



"Well, I've run into plenty".

You seriously run into plenty of people who claim to be "hardcore Prince fans" that don't like anything he's done after "Purple Rain"?




"The "early Prince" or "old Prince" has been bebated for years. The majority of the R&B fans I have run into will say it is the Prince before "Around The World In A Day". I've also run into a lot of pop fans that say it lasted until 1990. I have noticed, though, that a lot of pop fans refuse to believe that he had such a large R&B following before they ever heard of him."

Okay now we are just quibbling over definitions. Early Prince can be determined by whatever. Yes, many pop fans don't believe that he had an R&B following before "Little Red Corvette". They are not " hardcore Prince fans" they are casual listeners. Die hard Prince fans know that Prince has had a strong R&B following since the beginning. Those are the fans that you claim mostly left Prince in 1985. Once again, that's just not ture.
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paintsprayer said:

and there it is clear as day!

well he is only a man thats right thair was only but only one man that no one can ever bee and thats jesus christ and when i was a lilttle gril i whanted to just like him but the deavil dont like us trying to be like him or beeing in love with are farther in haeven at all it is in bible so all we can due is try and some of us are and i know i all ways will every senice i was a lilttle girl and still right now today we just have to try harder and it is a long long long long ways for anny thing you try to due for god caues the deavil will be thir on till god sends his son back love colleen

Prine is real. Do we forget that he is a "performer" as well as an artist? Is there any other performer that can play to an audience in a live performance the way Prince can? I also buy all of his music I can and no I do not like all of it but I want to hear what he has to offer at that point. I do not believe there is any question to his tallents. I find myself at times listening to Prince only because I can listen to the same piece 100 times over and hear something different in it every time. It's appreciation for his tallent that we even question "Prince" performances, music, clothing, hair, sexuality, etc. etc. etc.

Even if he is not your favorite artist surely you have to have some respect for this man and his artistry, tallent, sex appeal etc. etc. etc. Just as you respect the Michael Jordan, Miles Davis, James Brown and other many tallented artistic people.

Like in the sixties "live and let live" enjoy what life offers.

Prince, I enjoy.

ugleygril said:

Is this post a parody of some kind?

I mean no disrespect to you in any way but it is very hard to read your post. It looks like you are having a hard time with your typing and getting you point across.

From what I gather from your post, you are trying to say that Prince is just a man and we should never put him in the same category as God or Jesus and only the Devil promotes idol worship. If that is indeed your point, I agree with you 100%.

Ok, first off - yes, 23, u r right: u r WAY 2 pretentious. U sound like u swallowed a Jonathan Culler "Introduction to Deconstruction" and then decided to pretend u knew what it meant!

Vainandy - there are lots of holes and contradictions in your argument. (Just to be pedantic: isn't "Alexa de Paris" the b-side to Mountains and not on the album "Parade"? I think you mean "Venus de Milo".) You are projecting your own narrow experience, undoubtedly a genuine one, to reflect an entire "fan-base".

The discussion itself is interesting, though. I was interested in P since Controversy, and had heard IWBYL on the radio, but only got seriously into him with 1999 (it wasn't LRC that drew me in, but the title-track and LPWM - the track that most blew me away on the album was DMSR). I found ATWIAD challenging at first, but it grew to be one of my fave albums. Parade, OTOH, I loved first off, and now appreciate far less.

The thing is, I was in Sydney, Australia, and had little contact with what Vainandy is calling the "hard-core R&B fan-base". I know a lot of people who lost interest after ATWIAD. My guess is that it's an album which takes some effort from the listener, and that not everyone's prepared to invest that much energy. That's probably not what they want from an artist or an album, and that's cool. My brother, by the way, is the opposite: he's not a big Prince fan, coz he thinks of Prince music as too "easy," whereas he prefers things that need multiple listens.

Vainandy, did your R&B friends also diss "Anotherloverholenyohead" and "Girls & Boys"? Or were they turned off by other stuff, and didn't bother checking out the whole album?

It's interesting to see these perspectives pitted up against each other. For sure, the most original thing P did was the "electrofunk" revolution, but I remember wishing around '85 that he'd use some real horns, and wondering what "1999" would sound like with real instruments, I.e. that "original" sound sounded dated by the late eighties. I, for one, am glad he moved on. I don't think staying the same would've cut it, but it's interesting to wonder what other directions he could've taken.

I guess we've got JJ and TL to show where the Minneapolis sound goes if it stays "strictly R&B". I'll take P's journey over theirs any day.

Perhaps, then, the greatest regret and tragedy was breaking up the original Time. How different they would all sound if that hadn't happened?????!!!!!

wasitgood4u said



You are absolutely right. I always get these two tracks confused with each other because I hardly ever listen to either one of them.

I notice said you are from Australia. I cannot speak for the rest of the world, only from what I have seen right here in my area and from people I have come in contact with that have moved here from other states or from some I have visited in other states.




Those two tracks got lots of R&B airplay down here. Everyone said they were OK but Prince was capable of doing much better. The people I knew that actually owned the album, could not get into the rest of the album and never bought another one. They enjoyed "Kiss", "Anotherloverholenyohead", and "New Position" but not enough to spend money on. Most of them said if they knew what was on the album, they would only have bought the 45 of "Kiss".



I probably would have gotten bored with it eventually if he continued it forever but I wish he would have continued until around 1990 when music by everyone changed as a whole. The new style would have been a perfect change then.




Now that WAS a tragedy!

wasitgood4u said:

Lets us see things the way they really are. The prose was obviously deisgned to match the pretention of the subject matter, but in a knowing, tongue-in-cheek manner. It's not often I write in such an over-the-top style, but - for me - it suited the subject matter and also gave an ironic wink to the dudes with working radars out there.

The subject matter itself could certainly be considered high-brow so I decided to give the expression a nice suit to wear. If I had been talking about 50 Cent in the Non-Prince Music Forum, I would obviously have used ghetto vernacular such as 'Yo', 'Wassup dawg' and 'Show me your titties, beeatch' to get my point across in a more 'for real' manner to emphasise my love for the streets.

And I'm not familiar with Jonathan Culler at all. Or any other 'deconstructionalists', except for that funny-lookin' French guy who died last week who 'no-one' could supposedly understand. Heh. But you know what they say about great minds....

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And that's where you would be messing up in that forum also. Personally, I can't stand 50 Cent but I know a lot of people that like him and most of them do not talk like that. Once again, you would come across as tryng to put yourself above everyone else. People have read enough of your posts to know that you don't really talk like that and it would come across as you trying to make fun of them.

And what makes you think that all Prince fans should be stuck up stuff shirts that should all talk like Shakespeare?

vainandy said:

Andy, regarding my ghetto jive, I was being sarcastic. Sarcastic, sarcastic, sarcastic. Humourous in intent. Lowest form of wit, highest form of.....you know. Or maybe you don't. Do you watch Friends and say 'Boy, that Chandler sure is a nasty, vile person. I don't get dat muthafukka at all?'

Obviously the void between mine and your own mindset is so outrageously incalcuable that measuring the gulf would intimidate a quantumn theorist. Fucking 'Shakespheare'? What world are you living where you think I wear a ruffled shirt and write like fucking William Shakespeare, dude??! Ye Olde England?? But, I am sympathetic. You do live in a country where the movie George III had to be retitled The Madness Of King George because the studios believed Americans would think it was the third in a triolgy. The authorities and mass media already have you marked down as dumb...it's now up to you to live down to it. Some people allow themselves to be made fun of on this website, Andy. I'm pointing no fingers.

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Prince is one of those "dumb Americans" also.

vainandy said:

Don't turn this into what it isn't, andy. Never have I used the phrase 'dumb Americans' nor have I implied that I, personally, thought Americans were 'dumb'. I did say, generally speaking, the mass media and authorites certainly have you marked down as 'dumb' , and I'll certainly stand by that. And it's no different here either.
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