I am not a purist in the sense that I think real artists use real instruments.

I personaly would like to see Prince do a very electronic album, playing with different sound affects much like the industrial bands during the 90s did (Skinny Puppy, NIN, Ministry), but obviously with style that is unique to Prince.

What ch'all think?

I have longed for a synth based Prince album since 1985 but I don't want it like the music of the 1990s at all. I want "the old Prince" (pre-Purple Rain Prince).

You should have known I would be the FIRST to answer this thread.
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Someday we will see this, I hear Gwen Stefani's album is very synth 80's sound and it will be huge.. The closest I think he's come to that sound recently was "Strange But True" I thought that could have been a 1999 b-side.

I still love the synth new wave punk sound! And if Usher's synth on "Yeah" doesnt steal from Prince then I'm deaf!

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DMSR said:

Is she with the group, No Doubt, that remade "It's My Life"? If the rest of the album sounds like that, I am going to have to buy it.

That would be great.

I always wanted to hear Prince work with, or remixed by Felix daHousecat.

He seems very influenced by Prince, and I think he would really know how to do Prince's music and style justice in a current and commercial electronic style.

AsianBomb777 said:

You're thinking of The downward Spiral, right?

If Prince did an album full of songs like closer and ruiner it would be like the best prince album everrrr.
I'm listenin to that album right now

this is definately the Prince album I have always been waiting for... So many times has he hinted at how good and funky he is at that, but its only ever a tease or a snippet or the odd song (strange but true!)...

Sometimes I wonder whether that is what has kept me a fan in a way, always hoping the next one will be it....

Prince uses a lot of presets.....that's why his "electronic" albums sound very unimaginative.

PurpleShades said:

Nothing wrong with using presets... its what you do with them that makes the difference...

Anyway, its not just an "electronic" album that I crave, Emmancipation was crap... No, its a certain kind of "electronic" album. One that gets back down to basics, funky synths, slap bass, dirty lyrics.... An extension or evolution of Controversy/1999 era, but with Y2K technology and wisdom... Just dirty, funky synth based album... With no horns for a change, im getting tired of "maceo blow your horn" tediom....

I think synth is the one sound Prince lets himself down with. Whether is lack of thought, or lazyness, he got stuck at 1983 and never moved on.

He innovated to that point, and then stayed in a rut for the rest of his career, apart from the old school organ of 00-04, which is also uninspired.

Musicology (the single) was wrecked by lazy keys. And the lack on inventiveness weakened songs like Gold and Strange But Friend Lover sister mother wife.

Synths are not dated, just the way Prince uses them.

AsianBomb777 said:

Those bands are not really industrial. "Industrial rock" would be more like it - Skinny Puppy and Ministry did some electro-industrial cuts back in the day, but that was like... eons ago. Well, okay I'm willing to give Reznoid some industrial credibility over some of the more recent instrumental cuts that are solid industrial music - i.e. "Ripe (with Decay)" ... blah blah...

Yes, "the industrial police" is here again.

Novabreaker said:

please define industrial.

Jon said:

That'd be just waste of time. Industrial is the hardest musical genre to define - in fact it has spread its subgenres so far that most people wouldn't even call it a genre anymore. An aesthetic rather - an underground musical culture.

However - what NIN, Ministry or Skinny Puppy (or the SP sideprojects - save for a few cuts from the ever-excellent Download) were doing in the 90s are definitely not what industrial music really stands for. For rock music is something most listeners of Industrial music will most often leave outside its boundaries. Kylie Minogue is more industrial than the rock-oriented works by those acts mentioned above. I'm not kidding at all.
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Novabreaker said:

Ur wrong...so wrong.
The output the were putting out up until post 95 was very industrial.
It was as if they took Cabaret Voltaire and ClockDVA making the sound more accessable, though Skinny Puppy tended to be just as Avant Gaurd (spelling??).
I will concede that the definition of industrial tends to veer depending on who you talk to becuase the genre lends itself to allowing common noise or "industrial" noise to be used in place of baselines, melodies, etc--and that can encompass a large range of sounds and bands.
But what I am getting at is that Prince should look outside his shell of a traditional band setup and think like they did--besides, he has much more talent, the results should be amazing.

AsianBomb777 said:

OK, you're not exactly wrong--you just have a preciise definition of "industrial" . I accept the aetsthetic neo-industrial definitions as "industrial" becuase, as I've said, it's become a very broad term.
Kinda like calling Prince an R&B artist--not exactly, but it works.

NouveauDance said:

Felix would know what to do with Prince..electroclash his ass!

AsianBomb777 said:


No, I'm not.



Thank you for that correction.



Not really. The only really industrial record by those acts I am aware of is Ministry's "Twitch" - and even that had its fair share of synthpop as well on it. I will have to admit I haven't heard everything Skuppy has put out, though I don't even intend to.



Not really. They used industrial sounds as a theatrical effect to adorn their rock songs.




(avant garde)

- I'm yet to witness that. Download did get very experimental, but then again it was (/is) more of an IDM project. Highly recommended listening though.



That's just really a matter of how much industrial music they have listened to themselves. The most common debate is whether EBM is tuly a part of industrial music or not. My personal opinion is that of course it is, but that's just because I have listened to it a fair share of myself.



Hmmm.... just don't call pop "industrial".

Industrial music is more like this:

Brighter Death Now
http://www.coldmeat.se/so..._sperm.mp3

or

Mental Destruction
http://www.coldmeat.se/so...othing.mp3

or

Converter
http://ant-zen.darkambien...t163-s.mp3

or even this

Somatic Responses
http://c8.ameth.org/somat...endre).mp3



Yeah. Why not. He has done that earlier in his career.



Post-industrial rather.

Novabreaker said:

You are so wrong. You have no clue how wrong you are.
Desperately wrong.

AsianBomb777 said:

If this is a sarcastic joke I will accept it and enjoy it. However, if you are being serious then you are just plain pathetic - please get to know something about industrial music before trying to hold any kind of debate with someone who actually happens to know something about the said musical style. The last time I had this same bullshit happening was when Neversin tried to lecture me on about David Lynch's Eraser -soundtrack being "true industrial". It was actually far more pathetic to be honest - I gotta give you the credit for at least being able to name-check a band like Clock DVA.

Seriously, if you haven't listened to any real industrial music in your life, as it seems, shut the fuck up already.

Novabreaker said:

The pathetic thing here is you making up fucking dumb shit...
I never EVER said anything about David Lynch's EraserHEAD soundtrack being "true industrial"... I said listen to some old David Lynch stuff (as in pre-"Eraserhead" material) for some real industrial...
And again NIN is not industrial...

Neversin.

Novabreaker said:

Again, desperately wrong.
I'm sorry but you ramble so much that you're allowing readers to get lost in meaningless dribble.
References to overrated avant gaurd directors so as to discredit them doesn't help your cuase. It just bores me.
Desperately wrong.

Aruguing about what is truly industrial is like aruging about what is truly "rap" or "Grunge"--I mean it in a mundane sense so people can recognize what I am saying. Not many people would argue with calling Skinny PUppy an industrial band, whether you want to do a full disertation about it or not.
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Again--everyone is missing the point of the post.

I hate it when AUTHORITIES in pop culture waltz into these post thinking it's their soul duty to "enlighten" people by trying to callout others.

The point is: Shouldn't Prince consider electronic "artificial" medium to be legit?


Our music is sampled. Totally fake. It's done by machines, cause they don't make mistakes--KMFDM


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Neversin said:

The pathetic thing back then was that you missed my whole sarcastic point with that thread of yours. You were arguing against me, even though we were on an agreement on the whole topic even to begin with, so you started flaming me even though there really was no need for it. And name-checking David Lynch as a "real industrial" act is definitely not going to get you much credibility. Not even now I have to say.

Yes, I'm idiotically bitter about it. Now, that's pathetic. The fact that I even remember it is pathetic as well - not to mention the fact that I even brought that to conversation here.



Thank you.
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AsianBomb777 said:

Okay, sure - that I can admit to. But I didn't start it. I just merely pointed out the mistake that you made in your original post when you called those acts "industrial". Heavy Metal is not Industrial as such, no matter how much you would like it to be. There are the expressions "Industrial Metal", "Industrial Rock" or "Coldwave" if you want to use them. The tradition of Industrial music is the tradition of darker experimental, largely electronic music. Not as itself, a part of the tradition of rock music.



Eh, you don't understand much English do you? My whole childish mistake was to bring that whole ancient flame-war with Neversin into the conversation and that was totally unnecessary. I will have to apologize that from Neversin. That was just some off-the-cuff crap and he certainly didn't deserve that anymore, because that whole thing happened ages ago.

Besides, I already corrected you on your spelling. Why on earth are you still typing "avant(-) garde" like that? You don't seem to pay much attention to what anybody's writing here.



And I meant to correct you in a mundane sense so people could recognize what you were trying to say. You could have shut up at that point already.




It's not my fault that so many people don't know what industrial music is. Instead I can try to correct it to some degree, as would most people who are more deeply involved with the said musical culture. Totally unnecessary? I don't think so. Has this thread been going on for too long? Definitely.




Yes. I don't like it that much either. That's why I ended my first comment with the line Yes, "the industrial police" is here again. Doesn't that sound at least a bit ironic to you? It however was you, who chose to continue the whole bullshit what industrial is without knowing much about the music itself. Of course I have to correct you - especially if the best you can do is to type just "you are desperately wrong".

If your original post would have been about Prince doing jazz music, you could have had name-checked artists like Norah jones or Frank Sinatra as examples of "general jazz artists" that the wider public knows. You think people who listen to "real jazz" wouldn't have criticized that instantly?
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Novabreaker said:

No we weren't... You said NIN was an industrial act, I said it wasn't...

Neversin.

Neversin said:

Man, this is just getting seriously stupid. I said it was an industrial rock act. "Industrial rock" is basically rock music with industrial sounds thrown in the mix - it can be viewed as part of the industrial culture if you wish so (and certainly many individuals do - and certainly many individuals don't), but in itself it isn't really what industrial as one-word genre of music is. Mind you, "Industrial rock" really isn't a genre-definition that would have been spawn inside the industrial music sphere, but rather it was invented by the mainstream music press to define, mainly, the music of Nine Inch Nails (and bands that sounded similiar). I think personally that it's a very fitting description.

The problem really is with the music of NIN that while most of it is just cross-over rock with "experimental" electronics thrown in the mix there do however exist quite a few compositions by the said act that will more than nicely fit in even with the definition of what "true industrial" is. However, we all know that the majority of the listeners of Nine Inch Nails do not listen to the music solely because of these pieces. I am convinced though that if Trent Reznor would choose to do it, he would be more than capable of producing a proper industrial record.

Of course, the whole spat was just ridiculous, because if I remember correctly it was you (or someone else) just posting a news item on NIN and my comment was something exaggerated along the lines of "NIN isn't true industrial!", which I think you as a NIN-fan would have been more than familiar with if you have ever browsed any of the industrial forums or usenet newsgroups. For my amazement you missed the irony of it completely. Not that it would have been my greatest attempt at humour anyway.
[Edited 9/20/04 8:04am]

Novabreaker said:

I am familiar with the comment, this is not the only forum I frequent and AMP isn't the only NG I check... The only thing is is that I agree with the comment, so there's nothing funny or ironic about that comment...

Neversin.

Neversin said:

Makes sort of sense.

DMSR said:

I think you are deaf....in no way does that synth line sound like Prince.

what is wrong with u people? i totally thought this thread was about prince doing more synth related projects, not what is this or that. almost every band mentioned have nothing 2 do with prince( though trent has said he is a prince fan, he's cool) abd they suck bawlz , except of course NIN. :couch:call my shrink. anywhoo, i would love 2 hear some of that synth funk 2. but, p has 2 get over himself, drink some hpnotic, and get busy on the keys. now, that is a response 4 that ass