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Mazerati

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Prince's latest video has powerful message

http://www.baltimoresun.c...-headlines


By ERIC R. DANTON
Hartford Courant
Originally published October 2, 2004
It's a chilling social statement from a musician better known for talking sexy: Prince's video for the song "Cinnamon Girl" depicts an Arab-American girl detonating herself in a crowded airport terminal on what looks like U.S. soil.
Featuring Keisha Castle-Hughes from the movie Whale Rider, the four-minute clip opens in a stylized urban schoolyard, rendered in pen-and-ink and stylized gray watercolors drawn by artist Greg Ruth. A group of teen girls reacts with horror to the whining roar of jet engines that fades into the opening notes of the song. When it becomes clear who's responsible for what we presume is a Sept. 11-style terrorist attack, classmates of Castle-Hughes' character torment her for her ethnicity, and she flees for home, only to find her parents covering over the Arabic script on the sign outside the family store. Someone has scrawled "terrorist scum" on one of the store's windows.

"Cinnamon girl mixed heritage/Never knew the meaning of color lines," Prince sings. "9/11 turned that all around/When she got accused of this crime."

Intercut with straightforward scenes of the singer and his band playing on a blasted, war-torn landscape, the video shows Castle-Hughes donning traditional dress and headscarf and videotaping what appears to be a statement of martyrdom. In the next scene, she's back in Western garb and arriving at the airport. Perhaps for emphasis, the camera lingers on the U.S. passport she shows to airport officials.

Then she's standing in the terminal with a detonator in her hand. She closes her eyes and presses down on the red button with both hands. The perspective shifts outdoors as flames rip through the glass-paneled front wall.



It's only for a moment, though, and then the scene reverses itself to the moment just before Castle-Hughes hits the button. Is it a fantasy?

Prince isn't saying, according to his publicist, Ronnie Lippin.

The video's director, Phil Harder, offered a few details in a phone interview Thursday.

"It began with just talking to Prince about the current political situation in our world today, and I really mean in our world, not just our country," said Harder, 42. "And this long conversation really sparked this idea with a sentence. He said, 'As long as people keep labeling other people as terrorists, it seems like we'll always have terrorists.'"

The video is Castle-Hughes' first project since Whale Rider in 2002. Harder said the New Zealand resident, who is part Maori, was perfect for the role because of her expressive face.

"When you do a music video, it's kind of like making a silent film. There's no dialogue," he said. Harder said the video is "definitely not literal," but he prefers to leave the ending open to interpretation to spark dialogue.

"That's what Prince was really interested in, ... getting people to talk about these issues," Harder said. "I sort of interpret it - and this is just one interpretation - like, how far can the imagination go when your whole world is constant violence when you're that young? It's definitely not literal. The whole point is getting people to talk about it."

The video is available online for now on Prince's paid fan-club Web site, www.npgmusicclub.com, and at AOL Music. VH1 plans to screen the clip Monday at a weekly meeting held to determine which videos the music channel will add, a spokeswoman said. MTV wasn't sure whether the video had been submitted, but a spokesman said it also wouldn't review it until next week.

Eric R. Danton is rock critic for The Hartford Courant, a Tribune Publishing newspaper.
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Reply #1 posted 10/02/04 6:38pm

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I may be alone here, but I think that this is possibly the best P video in ages. It seems to not only provoke thought, but to show that he is still able to keep up with the times. It is great to see a familiar face in one of the video's. This actually reminds me of a Linkin Park video, very up 2 date. I'm glad to see that the video isn't overshadowed with images of only death and destruction, but also with images of what drives people to do such things. Without an acceptance or at least understanding of others, we drive them to madness that no one can comphrened **Sp** If you notice the last few seconds of the video (after the explosion) u notice that she is looking around at the children in the seats, which seems to show an understanding of the beauty of life. Before I ramble on anymore I will leave y'all. Deep & Interesting P. Something I thought you had lost touch with a long time ago. woot!
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Reply #2 posted 10/02/04 6:46pm

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Side note: Director Phil Harder is a Minneapolis local, who has done excellent vids of some of my favorite bands. He used to have a great punk band of his own called Big Trouble House.
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Reply #3 posted 10/02/04 6:56pm

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hey Prince , its not that we are labeling people as terrorists, its that there actually ARE terrorists out there and its not just a label. this sounds like we've been unfairly labeling regular ole ordinary folks as terroist and geez all the sudden there are some! naw, its that there ARE terrorist actually bombing out schools and flying planes into building and such.anyway labels are 4 high schoolers confused
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Reply #4 posted 10/02/04 7:24pm

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He said, 'As long as people keep labeling other people as terrorists, it seems like we'll always have terrorists.'"



great video, really fucking stupid quote.
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Reply #5 posted 10/02/04 8:40pm

jonylawson

heheheh i love it when people start off a reply with "hey prince"!!!

me?i think its a canny video.
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Reply #6 posted 10/02/04 11:50pm

purpledoveuk

Yes but...and forgive me if I'm wrong, doesnt the message get a little confused - after all the girl "suspected" of being a Terrorist does turn up at the airport with a bomb!!!!...doesnt that make the "prejudice people" right in their accusations ?

Its ok though because Prince,being the all powerfull one, manages to talk her out of it...where was he on 9/11 and when Bush and Blair went to war...all P needed to do was get on the old blower and we wouldnt have all these protests about supposed illegal wars and Michael Moore would be out of a job!!!

I mean, they don't even let fruit in and out of the country in hand-luggage...I think bombs are are a big no no!!!
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Reply #7 posted 10/03/04 1:25am

laws

Mazerati said:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/features/bal-to.bsohold02oct02,1,403647.story?coll=bal-features-headlines


By ERIC R. DANTON
Hartford Courant
Originally published October 2, 2004
It's a chilling social statement from a musician better known for talking sexy: Prince's video for the song "Cinnamon Girl" depicts an Arab-American girl detonating herself in a crowded airport terminal on what looks like U.S. soil.
Featuring Keisha Castle-Hughes from the movie Whale Rider, the four-minute clip opens in a stylized urban schoolyard, rendered in pen-and-ink and stylized gray watercolors drawn by artist Greg Ruth. A group of teen girls reacts with horror to the whining roar of jet engines that fades into the opening notes of the song. When it becomes clear who's responsible for what we presume is a Sept. 11-style terrorist attack, classmates of Castle-Hughes' character torment her for her ethnicity, and she flees for home, only to find her parents covering over the Arabic script on the sign outside the family store. Someone has scrawled "terrorist scum" on one of the store's windows.

"Cinnamon girl mixed heritage/Never knew the meaning of color lines," Prince sings. "9/11 turned that all around/When she got accused of this crime."

Intercut with straightforward scenes of the singer and his band playing on a blasted, war-torn landscape, the video shows Castle-Hughes donning traditional dress and headscarf and videotaping what appears to be a statement of martyrdom. In the next scene, she's back in Western garb and arriving at the airport. Perhaps for emphasis, the camera lingers on the U.S. passport she shows to airport officials.

Then she's standing in the terminal with a detonator in her hand. She closes her eyes and presses down on the red button with both hands. The perspective shifts outdoors as flames rip through the glass-paneled front wall.



It's only for a moment, though, and then the scene reverses itself to the moment just before Castle-Hughes hits the button. Is it a fantasy?

Prince isn't saying, according to his publicist, Ronnie Lippin.

The video's director, Phil Harder, offered a few details in a phone interview Thursday.

"It began with just talking to Prince about the current political situation in our world today, and I really mean in our world, not just our country," said Harder, 42. "And this long conversation really sparked this idea with a sentence. He said, 'As long as people keep labeling other people as terrorists, it seems like we'll always have terrorists.'"

The video is Castle-Hughes' first project since Whale Rider in 2002. Harder said the New Zealand resident, who is part Maori, was perfect for the role because of her expressive face.

"When you do a music video, it's kind of like making a silent film. There's no dialogue," he said. Harder said the video is "definitely not literal," but he prefers to leave the ending open to interpretation to spark dialogue.

"That's what Prince was really interested in, ... getting people to talk about these issues," Harder said. "I sort of interpret it - and this is just one interpretation - like, how far can the imagination go when your whole world is constant violence when you're that young? It's definitely not literal. The whole point is getting people to talk about it."

The video is available online for now on Prince's paid fan-club Web site, www.npgmusicclub.com, and at AOL Music. VH1 plans to screen the clip Monday at a weekly meeting held to determine which videos the music channel will add, a spokeswoman said. MTV wasn't sure whether the video had been submitted, but a spokesman said it also wouldn't review it until next week.

Eric R. Danton is rock critic for The Hartford Courant, a Tribune Publishing newspaper.
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Reply #8 posted 10/03/04 1:29am

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hey Prince , its not that we are labeling people as terrorists, its that there actually ARE terrorists out there and its not just a label. this sounds like we've been unfairly labeling regular ole ordinary folks as terroist and geez all the sudden there are some! naw, its that there ARE terrorist actually bombing out schools and flying planes into building and such.anyway labels are 4 high schoolers confused


I disagree with you. I'll paraphrase Prince's statement. As long as we keep letting ourselves see people as monsters, then there will always be monsters in the world.

Here's the deal about this, which I'll call the "hunted boogeyman theory." The fear that this kind of thinking can generate can be summarized in two words: ooga-booga." I won't let myself be pulled into this kind of mentality.

Another way of thinking about this is: Whatever is on your mind is what you get. There are no more terrorists in the world than we let minds believe eixst.. This is not what the mind is supposed to be used for. It's supposed to be used for practical things, like telling time.

This, I think, is Prince's point. We've got to stop our minds from creating any more boogeymen.
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Reply #9 posted 10/03/04 1:30am

hhcoy

to whom ever it may concern:

labels r not 4 highschoolers, labels r 4 the ignorant...
so u got to ask yourself the question r u ignorant too?

the u.s.a. got attacked in history twice (pearl harbour & 9/11)
but what did they do to others? for the love of money, the love of power?

(u.s.a. stands for the u.s.a. and 4 all the others who follow without thinkin' for themselves)

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Reply #10 posted 10/03/04 1:39am

laws

laws said:[quote]Mazerati said:[quote]http://www.baltimoresun.com/features/bal-to.bsohold02oct02,1,403647.story?coll=bal-features-headlines



The video is available online for now on Prince's paid fan-club Web site, www.npgmusicclub.com, and at AOL Music. VH1 plans to screen the clip Monday at a weekly meeting held to determine which videos the music channel will add, a spokeswoman said. MTV wasn't sure whether the video had been submitted, but a spokesman said it also wouldn't review it until next week.

I am surprised Prince is allowing VH1 & MTV to consider airing his video. On many occassions, during his tour, it is presumed he is persuading his audience to ban viewing MTV. Quote, ".....MTV....NOT!" Additionally, isn't MTV similar to VH1's concepts????
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Reply #11 posted 10/03/04 1:41am

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purpledoveuk said:

Yes but...and forgive me if I'm wrong, doesnt the message get a little confused - after all the girl "suspected" of being a Terrorist does turn up at the airport with a bomb!!!!...doesnt that make the "prejudice people" right in their accusations ?

Its ok though because Prince,being the all powerfull one, manages to talk her out of it...where was he on 9/11 and when Bush and Blair went to war...all P needed to do was get on the old blower and we wouldnt have all these protests about supposed illegal wars and Michael Moore would be out of a job!!!

I mean, they don't even let fruit in and out of the country in hand-luggage...I think bombs are are a big no no!!!


Wow. I didn't see that from the video at all.

First off, Prince's singing and her story were not one and the same. I don't think Prince told her anything.

Secondly, when she detonates that bomb near the end, I saw it as being in her imagination. She saw the building get ripped apart in her mind, and she couldn't do it. She cried. She saw the people with their lives and didn't want to take them away. I'm not even sure if she was literally at an airport, or if she was just trying to imagine how she could ever possibly be a terrorist considering everyone grouped her and her people within that category.

Point being, in the end, especially considering the explosion reverses itself and everybody is still standing, I don't think a bomb ever actually goes off.
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Reply #12 posted 10/03/04 2:16am

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purpledoveuk said:[quote]Yes but...and forgive me if I'm wrong, doesnt the message get a little confused - after all the girl "suspected" of being a Terrorist does turn up at the airport with a bomb!!!!...doesnt that make the "prejudice people" right in their accusations ?

CORRECT...OFCOURSE WHAT THE VID TRIES TO MAKE US UNDERSTAND; LABEL A PERSON A TERRORIST AND HE WILL BECOME ONE...BUT THIS MESSAGE IS TOO HARD TO PUT ACROSS..ITS MORE A THEORETICAL THING...I WOULD HAVE STICKED TO THE MESSAGE..DONT LABEL PERSONS A TERRORIST WHEN U ARE NOT SURE THEY REALLY ARE.....PFFFFF....ITS A SHAME OF THE VID..OTHERWISE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SUPURB...
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Reply #13 posted 10/03/04 2:56am

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Hey guys, what Prince is trying to say is that we create our reality. If u study metaphysics, u'll learn a law that states "what is like unto itself is drawn". It is the law of attraction and it's true for nations as it is for individuals. What u continue to focus on and believe, u create - simple as that. And we've all seen it in our lives, haven't we?

For instance, haven't we all known a person who keeps attracting the same kind of person in their lives that r wrong for them? Like someone who gets into an abusive relationship, then gets out only to find another abusive relationship? That's no co-ink-i-dink - lol.
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Reply #14 posted 10/03/04 5:19am

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Tessa said:


He said, 'As long as people keep labeling other people as terrorists, it seems like we'll always have terrorists.'"



great video, really fucking stupid quote.


The quote means that even though we call certain people terroists, they may consider themselves freedom fighters. The label "Terrorist" only compliments the USA's agenda. Just like the label "evil".
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Reply #15 posted 10/03/04 6:25am

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I think the logical conclusion from this discussion of Prince's quote is as follows:

There are people in the world that commit atrocities but so long as we simply label them terrorists or bogeymen and don't get to the root of why they are commiting atrocities then all we are doing is reinforcing the divide that they (and maybe unconsciously we too) have created- unless of course we destroy them utterly in the process. Note that 'terrorists' are not psychopaths, they don't kill for the pure pleasure of it. The 'pleasure' they derive I think is not from the killing itself but from the sense of retributive justice they get and the statement they make in the process.

I found it very disturbing that politicians and news commentators in the US tried to get people to believe that the only reasoning used by the people behind 9-11 was that they hate freedom, hate America and are jealous of the American way of life. The truth I suspect has far more to do with feeling threatened by US influence over their culture (which is often but not always positive in my view) and the lack of voice and power they have over their own political and economic futures. The US has historically been far more supportive of friendly but autocratic and corrupt regimes than of democracies that don't agree with American views. In the short run the autocratic regimes may be better for US interests but I think in the long run America would be better off seeing the value of constructive disagreement with societies where citizens have a voice. After all, America was founded on the premise that a person's right to have a say in their own affairs is inalienable and that imperial rule is not infallible.

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Reply #16 posted 10/03/04 10:07am

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laws said:

l"I am surprised Prince is allowing VH1 & MTV to consider airing his video."



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! IMaybe he'll "LET" some of the various cable access video shows play his video then?
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Reply #17 posted 10/03/04 11:42am

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Tessa said:


He said, 'As long as people keep labeling other people as terrorists, it seems like we'll always have terrorists.'"



great video, really fucking stupid quote.


I disagree. I was making a similar statement the other day. It seems as though everyone over there is looked at as a terrorist. The lines between terrorist and insurgent is pretty blurry right now.

I think people are forgetting what a terrorist attack/terrorism is. We are told that any act of violence over there is caused by terrorists. I am not so suree that a car bomb or a suicide bomber over in Iraq can be considered terrorist actions. The train bombing in Milan and attacks of that nature, I consider to be a terrorist attacks.

just my 2 cents.

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Reply #18 posted 10/03/04 1:46pm

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wyld1 said:

Tessa said:




great video, really fucking stupid quote.


The quote means that even though we call certain people terroists, they may consider themselves freedom fighters. The label "Terrorist" only compliments the USA's agenda. Just like the label "evil".



they can CALL themselves whatever they want, but when they intentionally perpetrate an act of war on non-combatants rather than striking at governmental and military targets, they are terrorists.


i understand your argument, that's it's the semantics of propaganda, but i reject it.
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Reply #19 posted 10/03/04 1:56pm

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WeRAllAStar said:[quote] What u continue to focus on and believe, u create - simple as that. And we've all seen it in our lives, haven't we?

Oh, but yes..... neutral
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Reply #20 posted 10/03/04 2:58pm

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the song sucks....

nice vid though
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Reply #21 posted 10/03/04 3:57pm

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poetbear68 said:

HisRoyalBadness07 said:

hey Prince , its not that we are labeling people as terrorists, its that there actually ARE terrorists out there and its not just a label. this sounds like we've been unfairly labeling regular ole ordinary folks as terroist and geez all the sudden there are some! naw, its that there ARE terrorist actually bombing out schools and flying planes into building and such.anyway labels are 4 high schoolers confused


I disagree with you. I'll paraphrase Prince's statement. As long as we keep letting ourselves see people as monsters, then there will always be monsters in the world.

Here's the deal about this, which I'll call the "hunted boogeyman theory." The fear that this kind of thinking can generate can be summarized in two words: ooga-booga." I won't let myself be pulled into this kind of mentality.

Another way of thinking about this is: Whatever is on your mind is what you get. There are no more terrorists in the world than we let minds believe eixst.. This is not what the mind is supposed to be used for. It's supposed to be used for practical things, like telling time.

This, I think, is Prince's point. We've got to stop our minds from creating any more boogeymen.



I can dig what you are saying, but it just doesn't cut it....please tell your theory to the families of those who have had family members returned to them in coffins. I guess the "terrorist" aren't be-heading anyone else lately? I guess the "terrorist" didn't bomb that computer train in Spain? I guess the "terrorist or boogeymen" didn't attack and murder those innocent children in Russia. I don't know, maybe I'm missing something here? Perhaps, these nice "terrorist" (is nice terrorist an oxymoron, besides being moronic?) are just misunderstood...
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Reply #22 posted 10/03/04 5:32pm

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Glad to see the video and song gaining more and more attention. Not only is it a powerful message, it's an excellent video that deserves to be played on all the music channels. If it ends up only being played on BET, well, I won't be surprised.
And should I even bother to hope for radio support?
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Reply #23 posted 10/03/04 8:28pm

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Tessa said:


they can CALL themselves whatever they want, but when they intentionally perpetrate an act of war on non-combatants rather than striking at governmental and military targets, they are terrorists.


i understand your argument, that's it's the semantics of propaganda, but i reject it.


Prince's quote can be taken in a number of ways. I took it as a statement that if one is continually stigmatized by certain associations (e.g. that all blah blah's are blah blah... All muslims are terrorists or something like that) then by virtue of that stigmatization one comes to identify with such a label. And this is not theorerical, this *type* of phenomena has been studies for probably over 40 years now with respect to youth and adolescents and how they develop. Minorities for example often come to identify with social stigmatizations that others give them and limit what they could become because the world doesn't expect more from them.

Interpreting his statement in these terms, one could say that his message is that as long as we (or rather certain elites) treat populations or social groups as these potential "threats" and not as fellow human beings with an equal amount of fear and desire to express their differences then these people will continue to manifest themselves as these "threats" (terrorists) and not as something else (as people who come to express their discontent, their frustrations and their desires in more positive forms).

And as Wyld1 said, there is nothing at all neutral about one person designating the others act terroristic when an act of equal nature by the naming person is seen as somehow innocent.

But I agree, Prince's quote isn't the greatest that he could have come up with. It sounds like he was just speaking off the top of his head. And god knows for most of us if people were to carefully analyse each statement that comes out of our mouths daily... I'm sure we'd like for others to give us the benefit of the doubt. The average person isn't sitting around trying to think up the perfect quote for the next time someone asks us what we think about this or that... or i wouldn't think so... shrug
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Reply #24 posted 10/03/04 9:25pm

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poetbear68 said:

HisRoyalBadness07 said:

hey Prince , its not that we are labeling people as terrorists, its that there actually ARE terrorists out there and its not just a label. this sounds like we've been unfairly labeling regular ole ordinary folks as terroist and geez all the sudden there are some! naw, its that there ARE terrorist actually bombing out schools and flying planes into building and such.anyway labels are 4 high schoolers confused


I disagree with you. I'll paraphrase Prince's statement. As long as we keep letting ourselves see people as monsters, then there will always be monsters in the world.

Here's the deal about this, which I'll call the "hunted boogeyman theory." The fear that this kind of thinking can generate can be summarized in two words: ooga-booga." I won't let myself be pulled into this kind of mentality.

Another way of thinking about this is: Whatever is on your mind is what you get. There are no more terrorists in the world than we let minds believe eixst.. This is not what the mind is supposed to be used for. It's supposed to be used for practical things, like telling time.

This, I think, is Prince's point. We've got to stop our minds from creating any more boogeymen.


Prince doesn't believe in time, so there is strike one against your ridiculous argument.

and two, are you saying things don't exist independent of the way we see them. I'm sorry, but if there is a tree it is a tree whether I want to call it a tree or not, same as terrorist.

by your ridiculous logic, you could look at your computer and think it was a toaster and it would actually be a toaster. put two slices of wheat in your in cd burner and see what happens. better yet, go down to your kitchen and try to do word proccessing on your actual toaster. oh, you can't, regardless of how you want to see it.

although your interpretation of what prince said does seem correct, it only means the two of you live in a fantasy world.
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Reply #25 posted 10/03/04 10:49pm

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I think perhaps the message was something more like, not everyone of Middle Eastern heritage is a TERRORIST! In the song is says " Cinnamon girl mixed heritage/Never knew the meaning of color lines," Prince sings. "9/11 turned that all around/When she got accused of this crime" Kinda like what happened after 9-11 in some parts of the country where middle eastern people where looked at under a watchful eye.


You know it reminds me of an old Chris Rock joke I heard one time. When something bad is reported on the news everyone waits to see if it's a Black man that's accused of the crime, then when I go to work all the white people ask me do did u know that guy? Liek every black person knows someone who has commited a crime!
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Reply #26 posted 10/04/04 2:08am

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interesting he's working with a different director for this video, not the guy who did ONA DVD and call my name, cant spell his name though.
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Reply #27 posted 10/04/04 5:24am

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Tessa said:


He said, 'As long as people keep labeling other people as terrorists, it seems like we'll always have terrorists.'"



great video, really fucking stupid quote.

I completely agree that Prince's quote concerning terrorists is just stupid and simplistic. Prince has in the past said things of this nature. He seems to think if people are labeled as something then naturally they will become it. This ridiculous theory comes from the Sociological field. As a Sociology major, I have dealt with this subject countless times with all-knowing professors who honestly believe it. People are far too complex to apply this simple trite theory. People are capable of accomplishing extraordinary things despite their surroundings.
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Reply #28 posted 10/04/04 6:50am

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fredericdoug said:

Tessa said:




great video, really fucking stupid quote.

I completely agree that Prince's quote concerning terrorists is just stupid and simplistic. Prince has in the past said things of this nature. He seems to think if people are labeled as something then naturally they will become it. This ridiculous theory comes from the Sociological field. As a Sociology major, I have dealt with this subject countless times with all-knowing professors who honestly believe it. People are far too complex to apply this simple trite theory. People are capable of accomplishing extraordinary things despite their surroundings.




right. and what makes it kinda discouraging is that prince overlooks the part that religious fanaticism plays in the terrorist activities we face today.

it's like he wants to reduce the problem to a 'racism' type level, when in fact terrorism is strongly grounded in differences of religious theologies

i suppose that because he's joined a strong religious movement that actively seeks to convert others and promulgates the belief that all other religions are wrong, prince can't really focus on that particular element of terrorism, now can he
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Reply #29 posted 10/04/04 8:25am

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fredericdoug said:

Tessa said:




great video, really fucking stupid quote.

I completely agree that Prince's quote concerning terrorists is just stupid and simplistic. Prince has in the past said things of this nature. He seems to think if people are labeled as something then naturally they will become it. This ridiculous theory comes from the Sociological field. As a Sociology major, I have dealt with this subject countless times with all-knowing professors who honestly believe it. People are far too complex to apply this simple trite theory. People are capable of accomplishing extraordinary things despite their surroundings.



Well... yes ppl are capable of amazing things.. but most ppl are sheep lets face it. Sheep syndrome is everywhere, and SOME ppl are capale of extraordinary things.. the masses are as they have always been...simple and sheepish.

Its just the way we are.

Not all ppl are amazing and complex, otherwise MacDonalds would not be what it is today. Its the numnut sheep who make MD what it is.

Sorry dude, gotta disagree with u there.

But peace all the same! smile
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