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Thread started 09/27/04 4:47pm

ABeautifulOne

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WHO A BETTER PRODUCER-PRINCE,BABYFACE,OR JIMMY JAM AND TERRY

it iz a tie between jj&tl and of course prince
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Reply #1 posted 09/27/04 5:28pm

RONNYRON

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ABeautifulOne said:

it iz a tie between jj&tl and of course prince



PRINCE is great at producing himself, as a music journalist once said, an artist that went in2 Paisley Park never got produced, they got a PRINCE production, all they had 2 do was lay vocals on it.

JAM and LEWIS turned their production in2 something else, kinda like a modern day MOTOWN hit factory. They tailored "HITS" 4 their artists and would co-write and co-produce with some 2 get the maximum out of them, JANET at first, was just along 4 the Flyte Tyme ride, but she had more input from album 2 album, I'm sure MJ didn't sit back either but actually worked with J&L.

BABYFACE is mr.smoove, patterning his productiins with L.A. after JAM & LEWIS, but then going strictly slow jams (waterfall music as he calls it) as a solo producer.

All r similar yet so different at the same time, I don't have a preference, I simply buy anything produced by any of them, I have since the 80s, no point in stopping now.

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Reply #2 posted 09/27/04 5:45pm

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None of them really have the knack of moving with the times.
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Reply #3 posted 09/27/04 6:59pm

ABeautifulOne

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NouveauDance said:

None of them really have the knack of moving with the times.



well u could say this but j&t really cater to janet so they dont count for evry1
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Reply #4 posted 09/27/04 9:24pm

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Well, Prince is a bad, bad man. I think, in the 1980s, he was the best producer on the scene. He was a bad, bad man. I listen to "101" or "Violet Blue" and "I Hear Your Voice," and I get it. I get it loud and clear. He was the weird cat with the jams and the sex obsessiveness and exotic beauties and great sounds. He was compared with Phil Spector and Brian Wilson.

Jam/Lewis had this magic thing with Janet in the same period. There were the power jams, the anthems, the confectionary pop. Blissful. The masses ate it up. And, they got very rich.

But, for a curly haired brown boy in the '80s, Babyface represented the uber-producer in the late 1980s and the 1990s, that R&B dude who helped pen a lot of songs about love in a black world. You could hear vulnerability to sugary that you'd ridicule him -- but the sistas ate it up. Babyface was onto something. His stuff sounded good, yes. But, he was bringing unabashedly black love to the airwaves and video screens. And, in his Cab Calloway suits, pompadour and wonderful melodies, Babyface made it all so classy.

Man, I think I'm gonna pop in the "Waiting to Exhale" soundtrack and drift off to sleep.

Peace, y'all...
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Reply #5 posted 09/27/04 11:55pm

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Prince was / in an fantastic producer, but he is not very commercial.

Jimmy & Terry have the production of carrying on until now, they still stick with the times...as well as having some crucial cuts in the 80's, although their production sounded the same back then..Prince was very wide ranged.

SINCE Prince has stopped producing much for other big popular artists so that sets him back a lil bit...

Babyface is a good producer, but also has been stepping back from the mainstream much....or just hasnt had his productions released as singles. He would be #3 though....


I dont know..Ill just say Prince because he would more capable of covering every genere of music.

This is a very hard question and i cannot answer!!!!! Its drivin me nuts!!!
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Reply #6 posted 09/28/04 3:39am

ABeautifulOne

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paisleypark4 said:

Prince was / in an fantastic producer, but he is not very commercial.

Jimmy & Terry have the production of carrying on until now, they still stick with the times...as well as having some crucial cuts in the 80's, although their production sounded the same back then..Prince was very wide ranged.

SINCE Prince has stopped producing much for other big popular artists so that sets him back a lil bit...

Babyface is a good producer, but also has been stepping back from the mainstream much....or just hasnt had his productions released as singles. He would be #3 though....


I dont know..Ill just say Prince because he would more capable of covering every genere of music.

This is a very hard question and i cannot answer!!!!! Its drivin me nuts!!!



ok babyface is sort of losing his touch and j&t they only do extremely well at usher and ajnet records so they dont really have theyre touch either but prince.whjat can i say the man has 12-13 year olds jamming away to all his cuts(oldb & new)so hes really winning this question any way it goes
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Reply #7 posted 09/28/04 5:10am

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prince has produced several other artistes, he never bought in to the commercial producer tag like jam and lewis and even baby face.prince does not produce music as radio would dictate. he produces strictly on his terms.u hear a song produced by prince and u could always tell.
quite frankly, jam and lewis and babyface are without a doubt a chip of the old prince!
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Reply #8 posted 09/28/04 1:39pm

okaypimpn

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These guys!



Okay, even I had to laugh at this!!! falloff
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Reply #9 posted 09/28/04 4:10pm

ABeautifulOne

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okaypimpn said:

These guys!



Okay, even I had to laugh at this!!! falloff



no hon see i would have listed them but they havent been in the game long enough .dont get me wrong the beats r hot but theyve been in the game a good 12 years u gotta be on the way 2 20 years to b in my thread. wink
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Reply #10 posted 09/28/04 4:21pm

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Uuuuhhmmm.... Prince? wink
RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time...
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Reply #11 posted 09/28/04 6:00pm

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I have to give this one to Jam & Lewis. Prince never made a record for someone else that didn't have his signature sound on it. Part of being a great producer is taking a backseat to the limelight and developing an artist's own sound. Throughout J&L's careers, they produced many artists and you wouldn't even know they did. Artist's like Human League (Fascination) and so on. They kept their MLPS sound for their friends (Janet, Cherrelle and Alex O'Neal), but with other artists, they did a great job of laying down a pallette for their artists to work on.
Face is great. He (in my opinion) did with Mary J. Blige what none of her other producers were able to do. He showed her how to be a better singer without changing her style. That is also the sign of a great producer. The only problem with Face was he would signature his artists musically. You hear the chords in the intro and the slightly "out" diminished chord change at the tag of the chorus, you know Face did the song.
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Reply #12 posted 09/28/04 6:32pm

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cool Jam & Lewis is the better producers of course. Prince is a great songwriter & performer. When it comes to producing he really has no patience to actually sit down & take the time to really work with an artist. He does it all & i do not think he can work with no one without having to listen to what input they have. Most of the artist he produced had no major hits. He had a couple of songwriting hits... that did do very well.
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Reply #13 posted 09/28/04 7:00pm

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Prince is the best producer for what he has done with his own act and some of his eighties protégés -- some! He is the weakest producer of other acts overall because he puts his giant stamp over everything, but still his self-production eclipses anything Jam & Lewis or Babyface have done. They are better at producing other acts but the resulting music is not on par with Prince's best. They certainly don't have his range.

Plus Brian Eno once said Prince was his favorite, so there!
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Reply #14 posted 09/28/04 7:17pm

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I would have to say Prince, strictly for producing his own work and his protegees.

I used to love Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis when they first started producing groups like The SOS Band and Change. I haven't cared for any of their productions after "Rhythm Nation" though, except for Michael Jackson's "History".

As for Babyface.....I've never liked any of his productions. He's way too damned mellow. I liked him better when he was part of The Deele.
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Reply #15 posted 09/28/04 9:22pm

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ABeautifulOne said:

NouveauDance said:

None of them really have the knack of moving with the times.



well u could say this but j&t really cater to janet so they dont count for evry1


confuse
What about SOS band? Cherrelle, Alexander Oneal, Karen White. They mainly dealt with RB acts...
"Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack
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Reply #16 posted 09/28/04 9:28pm

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Prince is great producing himself, and did a great job with producing Time.
Besides those 2 acts, who else has Prince produced that resulted in a top 5 hit, on any charts?

Flyte tyme productions produce Janet J., Alexander O'neal (Innocent, and others I can't remember now), Cherrelle (I didn't mean to turn you on, taken to top 5 again by Robert Palmer), Karen White (I'm not your superwoman), SOS band (just be good to me, weekend girl)

They produce very different acts, and consistently put out top 5 hits. in the 80's and early 90's.
"Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack
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Reply #17 posted 09/28/04 9:43pm

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prodigalfan said:

Prince is great producing himself, and did a great job with producing Time.
Besides those 2 acts, who else has Prince produced that resulted in a top 5 hit, on any charts?

i][/i]



Dude U must research before U make comments like that. Prince produced top five hits for Sheila E. (1984), Sheena Easton (1984-85, 87), Martika. (1991) rumor has it that he had a large hand in production (not just performing) on Madonna's 1989 LP. and on the urban charts the list could go much futher than the Time and himself. Including Tevin Campbell, Patti Labelle,
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Reply #18 posted 09/28/04 9:50pm

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babyface is a great producer. he gets to know those whom he produces. this is a man that can work with madonna and tlc...creating far different sounds with each. i wouldhave to say is the best out of the three choices. prince would be last. i really don't think he's a good producer...i mean, he knows HIS sound and what HE'S capable of but he doesn't do anything for most other artists. both, chaka's and larry g, released cds with pr as producer that sounded like pitiful attempts at being prince. same for almost every other person he's produced...they've basically been vanity productions (no pun intended).
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Reply #19 posted 09/28/04 11:29pm

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prodigalfan said:

ABeautifulOne said:




well u could say this but j&t really cater to janet so they dont count for evry1


confuse
What about SOS band? Cherrelle, Alexander Oneal, Karen White. They mainly dealt with RB acts...



When it comes to production, J&L eclipse Prince - even in range. Go look at their discography. Bryan Adams, Hikaru Utada, etc. The "Prince range" arguement only applies to his own music. ANd the fact still remains that he sound stamps any artist he works with, whereas Jimmy & Terry don't. As a matter of fact, babyface's variety of artists eclipses Prince as well. Face, Jimmy & Terry are producers. They make HITS. Prince is more of an artist than a hitmaker.
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Reply #20 posted 09/29/04 4:22am

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prodigalfan said:

ABeautifulOne said:




well u could say this but j&t really cater to janet so they dont count for evry1


confuse
What about SOS band? Cherrelle, Alexander Oneal, Karen White. They mainly dealt with RB acts...



who in the hell r they?
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Reply #21 posted 09/29/04 5:05am

DavidEye

Prince is the best singer/songwriter/musician overall,but if we're talking about who is the best producer of other acts (besides themselves),I would have to give it to Babyface.There aren't too many of his productions that I don't like.He writes extremely soulful songs,and there's always an incredible hook/chorus that keeps the song in your head all day long (think After 7's "Heat Of The Moment",Karyn White's "Secret Rendezvous" or The Boy's "Dial My Heart").
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Reply #22 posted 09/29/04 8:50am

BlaqueKnight

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ABeautifulOne said:

prodigalfan said:



confuse
What about SOS band? Cherrelle, Alexander Oneal, Karen White. They mainly dealt with RB acts...



who in the hell r they?



http://www.Google.com. dunce
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Reply #23 posted 09/29/04 12:22pm

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lmas said:

prodigalfan said:

Prince is great producing himself, and did a great job with producing Time.
Besides those 2 acts, who else has Prince produced that resulted in a top 5 hit, on any charts?

i][/i]



Dude U must research before U make comments like that. Prince produced top five hits for Sheila E. (1984), Sheena Easton (1984-85, 87), Martika. (1991) rumor has it that he had a large hand in production (not just performing) on Madonna's 1989 LP. and on the urban charts the list could go much futher than the Time and himself. Including Tevin Campbell, Patti Labelle,


Ok I did forget about Sheila E and Sheena Easton, but what top 5 hit did he do for Tevin CAmpbell and Patti Labelle? Also, Martika have a top 5 hit? I have never heard of Martika. I am not a hard core fan. And might I quantify the hits with Sheila and Sheena. Prince appeared in both projects... so how much of that was from Prince fans eating up anything he does... Flytme Production was strictly behind the scenes, as most producers are and was consistent with top 10 hits.
"Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack
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Reply #24 posted 09/29/04 12:24pm

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BlaqueKnight said:

prodigalfan said:



confuse
What about SOS band? Cherrelle, Alexander Oneal, Karen White. They mainly dealt with RB acts...



When it comes to production, J&L eclipse Prince - even in range. Go look at their discography. Bryan Adams, Hikaru Utada, etc. The "Prince range" arguement only applies to his own music. ANd the fact still remains that he sound stamps any artist he works with, whereas Jimmy & Terry don't. As a matter of fact, babyface's variety of artists eclipses Prince as well. Face, Jimmy & Terry are producers. They make HITS. Prince is more of an artist than a hitmaker.


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"Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack
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Reply #25 posted 09/29/04 12:25pm

prodigalfan

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BlaqueKnight said:

ABeautifulOne said:




who in the hell r they?



http://www.Google.com. dunce


lol
"Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack
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Reply #26 posted 09/29/04 4:56pm

ABeautifulOne

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BlaqueKnight said:

ABeautifulOne said:




who in the hell r they?



http://www.Google.com. dunce



america is so full of smartasses.time for my daily weed!!!!yayyyyy!!!!!

also i know who sos is but who is alexander oneal and karen white really no jokes this time
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Reply #27 posted 09/29/04 8:52pm

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prodigalfan said:

lmas said:




Dude U must research before U make comments like that. Prince produced top five hits for Sheila E. (1984), Sheena Easton (1984-85, 87), Martika. (1991) rumor has it that he had a large hand in production (not just performing) on Madonna's 1989 LP. and on the urban charts the list could go much futher than the Time and himself. Including Tevin Campbell, Patti Labelle,


Ok I did forget about Sheila E and Sheena Easton, but what top 5 hit did he do for Tevin CAmpbell and Patti Labelle? Also, Martika have a top 5 hit? I have never heard of Martika. I am not a hard core fan. And might I quantify the hits with Sheila and Sheena. Prince appeared in both projects... so how much of that was from Prince fans eating up anything he does... Flytme Production was strictly behind the scenes, as most producers are and was consistent with top 10 hits.



Actress/Singer Her first album, "Martika," spawned the #1 hit of 1989 "Toy Soldiers", but was, as is often the case with American pop stars, an even huger success abroad. (She had foreign #1s with "Water", "More Than You Know", "I Feel the Earth Move" and "Alibis".) She embarked on a hugely successful world tour, and was poised to become a legendary performer in the vein of Tiffany or Debbie Gibson. In 1991 she was approached by Prince and became one of what are legendarily referred to as "the Prince Protegees". Her second album, "Martika's Kitchen," was essentially an American flop (but for the radio favourites "Love...Thy Will Be Done" and the title track, both Prince songs earning a top 5 hit withe former) As history repeats, the album again was a huge success abroad, though on a lesser scale, spurning hits with the songs "Coloured Kisses" and "Temptation".
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Reply #28 posted 09/30/04 3:53am

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lmas said:

prodigalfan said:



Ok I did forget about Sheila E and Sheena Easton, but what top 5 hit did he do for Tevin CAmpbell and Patti Labelle? Also, Martika have a top 5 hit? I have never heard of Martika. I am not a hard core fan. And might I quantify the hits with Sheila and Sheena. Prince appeared in both projects... so how much of that was from Prince fans eating up anything he does... Flytme Production was strictly behind the scenes, as most producers are and was consistent with top 10 hits.



Actress/Singer Her first album, "Martika," spawned the #1 hit of 1989 "Toy Soldiers", but was, as is often the case with American pop stars, an even huger success abroad. (She had foreign #1s with "Water", "More Than You Know", "I Feel the Earth Move" and "Alibis".) She embarked on a hugely successful world tour, and was poised to become a legendary performer in the vein of Tiffany or Debbie Gibson. In 1991 she was approached by Prince and became one of what are legendarily referred to as "the Prince Protegees". Her second album, "Martika's Kitchen," was essentially an American flop (but for the radio favourites "Love...Thy Will Be Done" and the title track, both Prince songs earning a top 5 hit withe former) As history repeats, the album again was a huge success abroad, though on a lesser scale, spurning hits with the songs "Coloured Kisses" and "Temptation".




i think ive seen a video r 2 4m her on vh1 classic
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