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PrintableNeversin said: bananacologne said: Your point please.
The guy is obviously new to this whole "cease and desist" shit, so just point and laugh... Neversin. I was going 2, but I just didn't have the inclination frankly. | |
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superspaceboy said: OK...the news about Housequake really upset me. Why does he do this? And he keeps doing this. He calls himself genius...but doesn't let anyone share that genius. He provides no information for anyone to obtain, yet when we try and do it ourselves, we get punished. Obviously there is a want. Obviously there is a need. He should embrace the fact that we care so much and appreciate him so much (Who carried that boy through the 90's?).
Folks like Per Nilson, Ben of the Org, Mr Fuller over at HQ, Sam Nation, Bobby of the Dream Factory... Does he think these folks are doing all of this work, spending money and time to make a profit off of Prince? Please! These folks have been inspired to do the things they do because of the love and respect they have for him and his music. It doesn't seem as though he shares that respect or love back. I am ok if Prince wants to have control over his career and all, but if you don't put up a freeking discography on your website nor offer any information about you nor your music, you have to expect someone is going to...especially if you have over 25 years worth of music. Seeing things like thedatabank.org reroute thier stie to npg.com breaks my heart. And who are these NPG police? Like they have NOTHING besides the releases. I would find that very hard to believe. Like Prince himself hasn't passed out outtakes and stuff to people. EBAY is one thing (perhaps) and Trading is a whole other talkshow. I found that HQ were very fair and they discouraged any illegal activity such as selling. They encouraged the free flow of music. I would think that Prince would applaud such efforts. One piece of advice to Prince...If you don't like what others are doing...do it yourself so we don't have to. I mean Really! Off my soapbox now.... Reminds me of that speech Wendy gave him in PURPLE RAIN... Attention ladies and gentlemen...boys and motherfuckin girls... | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:  Blue, take your address off of here.
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MissJamieStarr said: superspaceboy said: OK...the news about Housequake really upset me. Why does he do this? And he keeps doing this. He calls himself genius...but doesn't let anyone share that genius. He provides no information for anyone to obtain, yet when we try and do it ourselves, we get punished. Obviously there is a want. Obviously there is a need. He should embrace the fact that we care so much and appreciate him so much (Who carried that boy through the 90's?).
Folks like Per Nilson, Ben of the Org, Mr Fuller over at HQ, Sam Nation, Bobby of the Dream Factory... Does he think these folks are doing all of this work, spending money and time to make a profit off of Prince? Please! These folks have been inspired to do the things they do because of the love and respect they have for him and his music. It doesn't seem as though he shares that respect or love back. I am ok if Prince wants to have control over his career and all, but if you don't put up a freeking discography on your website nor offer any information about you nor your music, you have to expect someone is going to...especially if you have over 25 years worth of music. Seeing things like thedatabank.org reroute thier stie to npg.com breaks my heart. And who are these NPG police? Like they have NOTHING besides the releases. I would find that very hard to believe. Like Prince himself hasn't passed out outtakes and stuff to people. EBAY is one thing (perhaps) and Trading is a whole other talkshow. I found that HQ were very fair and they discouraged any illegal activity such as selling. They encouraged the free flow of music. I would think that Prince would applaud such efforts. One piece of advice to Prince...If you don't like what others are doing...do it yourself so we don't have to. I mean Really! Off my soapbox now.... Reminds me of that speech Wendy gave him in PURPLE RAIN... I can identify with her a lot. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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bananacologne said: Neversin said: The guy is obviously new to this whole "cease and desist" shit, so just point and laugh... Neversin. I was going 2, but I just didn't have the inclination frankly. | |
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OdysseyMiles said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: it was free from the get-go. Hey hon, do you honestly know when and where the "get go" was? It could have gone through 10 honest to goodness people before it got to you, but what about the person who bought/stole it before that? -I understood it in a way I believe in beforer already: From the moment you perform the song in front of an audience, even a singly one...its gone. Like an Idea, you can't really hold or control it. You can try, and partly you surely will be successful (As to manys did in the long past as well - and some laws will help you also) - but the result in the end (as otherwise you simply would not know about it) was - that the idea survived. And it is the same with the music..... | |
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What I don't understand is why folks resort to namecalling when Prince does something to upset/disappoint them? There's been a lot of talk about folks being angry but how many are going to be at the next set of concerts banging their heads on the 2 and 4? | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: What I don't understand is why folks resort to namecalling when Prince does something to upset/disappoint them? There's been a lot of talk about folks being angry but how many are going to be at the next set of concerts banging their heads on the 2 and 4?
When he has shut down all the fan sites, how many fans will he have at his concerts banging their heads on the 2 and 4? | |
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AFFIRMATIVE. I would not have bought any prince stuff after 1988 if it weren't for bootlegs to help keep my interest and respect. He would not have made any money at all from me after that point.
Jon said: The bootlegs are apart of the Prince legacy just as much as his official releases and Prince knows it. Do you think the Black album was just some kind of executive decision change at the last minute? I think not. It was very well calculated and thus became the biggest, ‘must have’ bootleg of the time.
It is the sum of the whole that makes us admire his genius. Not just our admiration for 20 or so albums. I can only speak for myself here, but I started turning to the bootlegs in the late 90’s for two reasons. The first reason was because they were there and I really wanted to know more and hear more from Prince. The second reason was because his official output was, to be quite blunt, pretty shit. As far as I am concerned, it is the bootlegs COMBINED with the official stuff that has kept me interested in this freak and in my own small way contribute to the success of Musicology. But take away the bootlegs and I would have jumped ship in the late 90’s, bored and fed up with a freak that had lost his touch. And I think I can quite confidently say that if there were no circulating bootlegs at all, Princes fan base would be somewhat smaller than it is now. Maybe Prince should ask himself how successful Musicology would have been without his fan base. He would have never made it through the 90’s without us. The man is seriously confused about the whole issue. My god, there is no doubt in my mind that Prince has used the bootleg market to his own advantage in the past. He cant suddenly turn against it at a whim because he suddenly feels he doesnt need it. And to direct his displeasure at the very people that have helped him struggle through the past ten years is just downright stupid. By turning against the bootleg market, or more specifically his fans that have delved into the bootleg market, he is categorically stating that he only wants us to listen to his official releases. In my opinion, his official releases alone diminish his standing as a true genius, especially over the last decade. And I think that Prince thrives on the perception people have of him. It really doesn’t have anything to do with buying bootlegs or trading them. Go on Kazaa and type in Prince and see what comes up. The majority of it is official stuff. This is very different to bootlegging, this is pirating and is a completely different moral and financial argument altogether. But bootlegs are not for sale, never have been for sale and would otherwise be collecting dust and deteriorating in a vault somewhere. The fact that someone has got hold of them and is now selling/trading them unofficially does nothing except enhance the legacy of the artist. If he doesn’t want them out there to be discussed/traded/sold, then perhaps he should beef up his security and stop leaving stuff lying around to be picked up by a passer by. Or is that the real plan behind this whole charade? The bootlegs have been good for Prince and always will be. My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
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Jon said: TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: What I don't understand is why folks resort to namecalling when Prince does something to upset/disappoint them? There's been a lot of talk about folks being angry but how many are going to be at the next set of concerts banging their heads on the 2 and 4?
When he has shut down all the fan sites, how many fans will he have at his concerts banging their heads on the 2 and 4? We here at the fansites must realize that the world (of Prince) does not revolve around us. We are not his only fans. | |
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Jon said: TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: What I don't understand is why folks resort to namecalling when Prince does something to upset/disappoint them? There's been a lot of talk about folks being angry but how many are going to be at the next set of concerts banging their heads on the 2 and 4?
When he has shut down all the fan sites, how many fans will he have at his concerts banging their heads on the 2 and 4? | |
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OdysseyMiles said: Jon said: When he has shut down all the fan sites, how many fans will he have at his concerts banging their heads on the 2 and 4? We here at the fansites must realize that the world (of Prince) does not revolve around us. We are not his only fans. No, youre right. But how does he sell his stuff? He doesnt advertise, he aint on the radio or MTV very much. The mid to late 90's especially has relied on word of mouth, catering to his fan base. It is true that not all of his fan base contribute to any of these sites, but his main fanbase, the core of what has kept him going through the lean years have all found their information through non commercial means. Take down the sites and where do the fanbase get their information? NPGMC? If he has closed down all these fan sites, does he expect us all to flock there as a substitute? No, not all of his core fans frequent these sites, but they are one hell of a powerful advertising tool for him as someone who doesnt use the mainstream media. Unfortunately, if he wants the positive advertising from them, he has to make do with the negative advertising too... Especially as he doesnt have to pay for this advertising in the first place. I suppose what he is doing is akin to MTV airing his latest single 5 times a day and Prince benefiting enormously. But then MTV plays a recorded concert that he never gave permission for. So he takes legal action. MTV then decided, as a result to boycott any new releases by Prince. Prince loses airplay [advertising]. Is it worth it over a bit of footage that could only serve the purpose of raising his profile even further? Prince NEEDS sites like the Org and HQ. They are his outlet for information... | |
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theblueangel said: If any of the PeePee goons are watching, here's my information for your lawsuit against me: [Snip - luv4u]. 
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: What I don't understand is why folks resort to namecalling when Prince does something to upset/disappoint them? There's been a lot of talk about folks being angry but how many are going to be at the next set of concerts banging their heads on the 2 and 4?
that's why i say peeps should just pay attention to the music and not the man. i try not to get too wrapped up in his personal antics any longer but you KNOW i'ma be at the next set of chicago dates!!  | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: DarkKnight1 said: Im kinda surprised at some of the responses to this subject. Prince doesnt owe us anything. I buy boots, so Im not gonna give some moral State of the Union. What he wants done with his shit is his prerogative. If he wants to release an album of burps and farts for $30 thats also his prerogative. If he doesnt wish to release the vault material then we are the ones who will be disappointed, but not "cheated" in any way. ITS HIS. Everyone on this and any other website would react the same if there work was stolen and sold for their personal gain. All of that being said, I purchase anything that I can get my hands on, so it is disappointing what he is doing to HQ and almost any other fan website. Although disappointed, I do not feel betrayed in any way. Beautifully put.Co-sign! Its his shiz, he can do what he wants with it He should just realize if we got boots we're gonna wear them out whether or not he tells us to stop If you will, so will I | |
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thekidsgirl said: TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: Beautifully put.
Co-sign! Its his shiz, he can do what he wants with it He should just realize if we got boots we're gonna wear them out whether or not he tells us to stop Exactly, he aint gonna stop the bootlegging. I will keep aquiring them as I find them, whether I trade for them or buy them. The fact is there is just way too much in the hands of the general public now for it to stop. Shut down all the bootleg manufacturers and it wont make a blind bit of difference, we the public already have them in our domain. Just log on to Kazaa or any other P2P... who needs HQ discussion forums? If anything, discussing boots in a forum would make people buy less. By discussing the boots people can decide what it is exactly that they want. Without the discussion they will just download the whole damn lot and pick out what they wanted afterwards.... | |
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There's no question about Prince and his lawyers being a complete bunch of cunts at the best of times.
However I can't blame the guy for (a) clamping down on unauthorised use of his image, especially images which he owns the copyright for and for (b) clamping down on the illegal bootleg trade. That said, there's fuck all he can do to stop people talking about bootlegs. Prince.org's approach is the best - talk about boots all you like, but don't ask where to buy em and don't advertise em either. Simple. | |
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go2theMax said: Dedicate 2 Prince:
Prince, shhhhh Break the vault I don't wanna hear any other sound Bootlegs Are fan's thang Keepin' us from tradin' 'em, U betta not dare U should really break the vault, vault vault  THAT WAS FUCKIN GREAT...GOOD MAN...LOL Attention ladies and gentlemen...boys and motherfuckin girls... | |
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theblueangel said: God, me too. I AM Wendy in that scene....well, throw in a little Lisa for my chain-smoking, pouting and hair-blowing abilities.
Well I mean at first i was like damn Wendy now i'm like WENDY TELL HIS ASS AGIN WHAT TIME IT IS BECAUSE I MEAN.....HOMIE OBVIOUSLY NEEDS 2 HEAR IT AGAIN... WHAT MR. NELSON NEEDS 2 DO IS 2 TELL HIS LAWYERS 2 SHUT UP ALREADY..DAMN! Attention ladies and gentlemen...boys and motherfuckin girls... | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: PurpleRein said: stuff...
all scenarios above have one thing in common: you should know better than to not keep tabs on your stuff. if you don't want something to leak out, keep tabs on it and don't let it change hands/"grow legs" to begin with. it ain't nobody else's fault but your own. **So because he chose to trust people who work with or around him and they instead chose to piss on that trust and steal from him...it's his fault? If you leave your house and lock up behind you and someone comes in and robs you blind...it's your fault because you didn't do more to protect your home like Fort Knox? Doesn't make sense to me at all to blame someone for getting his property stolen because he didn't do more to protect it. what happened to just simple respect for right and wrong? | |
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 We all know that Prince can treat his fans worse then dog crap on his shoe. I love the man, but he just acts like a jerk sometimes.  | |
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coachsean said: **So because he chose to trust people who work with or around him and they instead chose to piss on that trust and steal from him...it's his fault?
damn right. If you leave your house and lock up behind you and someone comes in and robs you blind...it's your fault because you didn't do more to protect your home like Fort Knox?
damn right once again. Doesn't make sense to me at all to blame someone for getting his property stolen because he didn't do more to protect it. what happened to just simple respect for right and wrong?
times have changed a lot, man. ain't quite that simple anymore. | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said:
For every prohibition you create, you also create an underground. ::Jello Biafra:: +free housequake.com+ as a org moderator, I have to say ~~love your signature   "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: superspaceboy said: I just tried 1-800-NEW-FUNK to request a vibe as his letter says...but all it did was Ring and ring and ring and ring and ring and ring and ring and ring and ring..It feels like the Crystall Ball Fiasco ...alll over again. the cb fiasco....*shudders*   someone fill me in? | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: People can say what they want, folks will still be there. Just like they were after the Vermillon thing, the original Uptown thing, and every other thing that Prince supposedly disrespected and hurt his fans. Hell, there are even people on this site who say that they don't buy any of his stuff but here they are still on here discussing him.
Shoot, just 'cause he's a controlling prick who likes to fuck with any and everyone he can doesn't mean we can just forget the funk. Purple fever is a chronic thing- you can try to make it go away, but then you'll be at the 7-11 and your purchase will be $3.19 and the cashier will say "319 please" and then you say in your best French operator voice: "Arretez-un vous" and you're in the depths of the purple sickness again. Prince could kill babies and I'd still have to listen to the music. No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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theblueangel said: TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: People can say what they want, folks will still be there. Just like they were after the Vermillon thing, the original Uptown thing, and every other thing that Prince supposedly disrespected and hurt his fans. Hell, there are even people on this site who say that they don't buy any of his stuff but here they are still on here discussing him.
Shoot, just 'cause he's a controlling prick who likes to fuck with any and everyone he can doesn't mean we can just forget the funk. Purple fever is a chronic thing- you can try to make it go away, but then you'll be at the 7-11 and your purchase will be $3.19 and the cashier will say "319 please" and then you say in your best French operator voice: "Arretez-un vous" and you're in the depths of the purple sickness again. Prince could kill babies and I'd still have to listen to the music. | |
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I'm a member of Housequake. My issue isn't really with the bootleg thing, although the anit-discussion part is ridiculous, my issue is with the 'unauthorized use of pictures" thing.
He has no right to say that Quake has to take down pictures that he doesn't own the rights to. Most of the time, before a person is photographed [I'm speaking in reference to the studio and professional pictures] they sign a model release. The rights to the picture are given to the photographer and they have to right to display this picture and add it to their portfolio, or if it's for the use of a magazine, specifically to that magazine. Prince cannot say that the pictures can't be posted because they're not his to control. Yes, he has right to his likeness, but he does not have the right to refuse someone else's work to be displayed. I don't know if that made sense, but in a nutshell: He's being a douche. One fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish.
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