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WHY DOES EVRY1 DISLIKE LARRY GRAHAM SO MUCH???????? ok like evry other post is dissing the dude i dont like him but i wanna know whhat has he done 4 u all to hate him   | |
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Everyone thinks Larry persuaded Prince over to the Jehovah's Witness religion.
I love Larry Graham's music but I am also one those that thinks he played a part in Prince's conversion. I think he should have been a friend to Prince, not a preacher. Hold on to your ass, cause it's gonna be a long thread.  Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Everyone thinks Larry persuaded Prince over to the Jehovah's Witness religion.
I love Larry Graham's music but I am also one those that thinks he played a part in Prince's conversion. I think he should have been a friend to Prince, not a preacher. Hold on to your ass, cause it's gonna be a long thread. I agree with this one. All this God stuff, i really hate it. And l;arry really can't sing... He fucked up the Cross (sorry Christ) and his holy face really makes me wanna puke. I cannot deny he is a great bass palyer, and that is what he should have been in Prince's band, nothing more! the beautiful ones, you always seem to loose | |
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Larry is an ok singer & a good bass player..But i think why some dislike him is because he had a strong spiritual influence on prince resulting in changes of his music & his personality..If anything i think the whole ~Jehovah's Witness~ thing made Prince more humble. Live~Love~Learn | |
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sweetambrosia said: Larry is an ok singer & a good bass player..But i think why some dislike him is because he had a strong spiritual influence on prince resulting in changes of his music & his personality..If anything i think the whole ~Jehovah's Witness~ thing made Prince more humble.
Not in the beginning it didn't. I think he's barely finding that humility. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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I personally was thrilled when Larry and Prince hooked up, how could you not be excited for 2 extraordinary musician to connect. But Prince was in a wierd space and the mix that Larry brought to the table seemed more restrictive than free. I hated to see Prince allow himself to become bound to religious chains after fighting so hard to break the chains of the music industry. I wish Prince and Larry had never met and that Prince just got some much needed therapy. When the crazy find god.....watch out! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Lennon said: vainandy said: Everyone thinks Larry persuaded Prince over to the Jehovah's Witness religion.
I love Larry Graham's music but I am also one those that thinks he played a part in Prince's conversion. I think he should have been a friend to Prince, not a preacher. Hold on to your ass, cause it's gonna be a long thread. I agree with this one. All this God stuff, i really hate it. And l;arry really can't sing... He fucked up the Cross (sorry Christ) and his holy face really makes me wanna puke. I cannot deny he is a great bass palyer, and that is what he should have been in Prince's band, nothing more!  | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I personally was thrilled when Larry and Prince hooked up, how could you not be excited for 2 extraordinary musician to connect. But Prince was in a wierd space and the mix that Larry brought to the table seemed more restrictive than free. I hated to see Prince allow himself to become bound to religious chains after fighting so hard to break the chains of the music industry. I wish Prince and Larry had never met and that Prince just got some much needed therapy. When the crazy find god.....watch out!
Mental illness and religion are an iffy combination, at best...[Edited 9/24/04 18:44pm] "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I personally was thrilled when Larry and Prince hooked up, how could you not be excited for 2 extraordinary musician to connect. But Prince was in a wierd space and the mix that Larry brought to the table seemed more restrictive than free. I hated to see Prince allow himself to become bound to religious chains after fighting so hard to break the chains of the music industry. I wish Prince and Larry had never met and that Prince just got some much needed therapy. When the crazy find god.....watch out!
Mental illness and religion are an iffy combination, at best...
[Edited 9/24/04 18:44pm] This is not to say that believing in religion makes you a mental patient but plenty of bonafide crazy loons believe in God. Plenty. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: meow85 said: Mental illness and religion are an iffy combination, at best...
[Edited 9/24/04 18:44pm] This is not to say that believing in religion makes you a mental patient but plenty of bonafide crazy loons believe in God. Plenty. Exactly. I wasn't trying to make that comparison either. Faith can and has helped a lot of people through rough times. BUT religion combined with mental illness (whether it's something relatively minor, or something more major-league, like paranoid schizophrenia) can be a dangerous thing. The point Prince was at in his life, it may have been better for him as a person (and less importantly, better for his art) if he'd seen a therapist or psychiatrist than having Larry as his own personal prophet. Then again, Prince has implied in his lyrics and in interviews from around that time that he had seen a doctor, so who knows? I believe he mentioned it on Oprah, and in the lyrics for "My Computer" and 'Face Down" he mentions doctors... Face Down: Him and her meaning who I'm singin' about And his psychoanalyst kinda saw the catalyst..... My Computer: I told them I don't wanna see a doctor unless he's lonely too..... Make of it what you will. [Edited 9/24/04 19:06pm] "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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There's really no valid reason why people should believe that Larry made a significant change in Prince's music. Prince's music became lightweight funk/formulaic R&B with Emancipation, that album he was born to make which was prior to Prince's first meeting with Graham in 1997. So Larry had nothing to do with Prince's music starting to suck. I think folks need someone to point the finger at besides Prince and Larry is just happening to play the scapegoat.
There are going to be tons of responses that say Larry got Prince too caught up into God and religion which is a bunch of bullshit that really doesn't deserve a response considering Prince has been into "God stuff" and "pseudo-preaching" since the early 80s. Saying you don't like their collaborative efforts is one thing, but hating the day they met and feeling the need to become violently ill at the thought of Graham is just plain stupid. Some folks act like Graham is to Prince what Yoko was to the Beatles. The only difference is that Prince had been "broken up" long before Graham came along. One of the main reasons I think folks are so quick to hate Graham is because of the stigma and misconceptions about the Jehovah's Witness faith. What's silly is that when Prince is pretending to stand for something (i.e. 'Slave' on the cheek, assless pants, and name changes) the ideals may not be embraced by everyone, but it's respected as a decision that Prince made because he felt he had to. I don't understand why the same isn't applied in the Larry/JW era. I welcomed the change because it got his music out of that formulaic R&B rut he'd been in for 5 years. [Edited 9/24/04 20:14pm] | |
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blah blah blah blah blah   I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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psykosoul said: There's really no valid reason why people should believe that Larry made a significant change in Prince's music. Prince's music became lightweight funk/formulaic R&B with Emancipation, that album he was born to make which was prior to Prince's first meeting with Graham in 1997. So Larry had nothing to do with Prince's music starting to suck. I think folks need someone to point the finger at besides Prince and Larry is just happening to play the scapegoat.
There are going to be tons of responses that say Larry got Prince too caught up into God and religion which is a bunch of bullshit that really doesn't deserve a response considering Prince has been into "God stuff" and "pseudo-preaching" since the early 80s. Saying you don't like their collaborative efforts is one thing, but hating the day they met and feeling the need to become violently ill at the thought of Graham is just plain stupid. Some folks act like Graham is to Prince was Yoko was to the Beatles. The only difference is that Prince had been "broken up" long before Graham came along. One of the main reasons I think folks are so quick to hate Graham is because of the stigma and misconceptions about the Jehovah's Witness faith. What's silly is that when Prince is pretending to stand for something (i.e. 'Slave' on the cheek, assless pants, and name changes) the ideals may not be embraced by everyone, but it's respected as a decision that Prince made because he felt he had to. I don't understand why the same isn't applied in the Larry/JW era. I welcomed the change because it got his music out of that formulaic R&B rut he'd been in for 5 years. [Edited 9/24/04 19:18pm] Prince had been into God for forever. Nobody is saying he wasn't. Larry was there to push him over the edge when he needed therapy, not some guilt trip. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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I think this is nuts. Larry Graham is a "personal prophet"? Who said? Prince told you?
Just because someone studies with another does not mean they think they are a prophet. Last time I checked, God gave EACH person his own free will. So you guys think that you have the right to be angry that Prince exercised his? I just find it funny that you guys are so against someone being 'brainwashed' that you would 'brainwash' others to convince them they were 'brainwashed'. And does anyone here personally know Prince? ha...doubt it. I realize that 99.9% of religions have put a bad taste in everyone's mouth. What with the disgusting hypocrisy, sex crimes, wars in the name of religion, dishonest...gee I could go on and on. But if anyone actually read the Bible, searching for the Truth, they would see that 99.9% percent of religions are not even following the Bible. I've stayed quiet on this board for sometime, but felt the need to pipe up on this one. Any Bible reference offered as proof must be understood in the context of the consistent teaching of the entire Bible. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: psykosoul said: There's really no valid reason why people should believe that Larry made a significant change in Prince's music. Prince's music became lightweight funk/formulaic R&B with Emancipation, that album he was born to make which was prior to Prince's first meeting with Graham in 1997. So Larry had nothing to do with Prince's music starting to suck. I think folks need someone to point the finger at besides Prince and Larry is just happening to play the scapegoat.
There are going to be tons of responses that say Larry got Prince too caught up into God and religion which is a bunch of bullshit that really doesn't deserve a response considering Prince has been into "God stuff" and "pseudo-preaching" since the early 80s. Saying you don't like their collaborative efforts is one thing, but hating the day they met and feeling the need to become violently ill at the thought of Graham is just plain stupid. Some folks act like Graham is to Prince was Yoko was to the Beatles. The only difference is that Prince had been "broken up" long before Graham came along. One of the main reasons I think folks are so quick to hate Graham is because of the stigma and misconceptions about the Jehovah's Witness faith. What's silly is that when Prince is pretending to stand for something (i.e. 'Slave' on the cheek, assless pants, and name changes) the ideals may not be embraced by everyone, but it's respected as a decision that Prince made because he felt he had to. I don't understand why the same isn't applied in the Larry/JW era. I welcomed the change because it got his music out of that formulaic R&B rut he'd been in for 5 years. [Edited 9/24/04 19:18pm] Prince had been into God for forever. Nobody is saying he wasn't. Larry was there to push him over the edge when he needed therapy, not some guilt trip. Looking at Prince and how he has developed as an artist since '78, isn't it safe to say that he's needed therapy since the day he pulled the Black Album a week before it's released. Why is it when he went through "spiritual" changes in the 80s and 90s, those changes are just seen as nothing more than tranisitional periods? But when Larry comes into the picture, somehow Prince has been pushed over the edge and has some sort of plague on his career  How exactly did Larry push Prince over the edge?[Edited 9/24/04 19:55pm] | |
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psykosoul, thanks for putting it more eloquently than I did. Your thoughts were mine!  Any Bible reference offered as proof must be understood in the context of the consistent teaching of the entire Bible. | |
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ok ppl i didnt know i would start this much confusion 
my bad never again | |
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psykosoul said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Prince had been into God for forever. Nobody is saying he wasn't. Larry was there to push him over the edge when he needed therapy, not some guilt trip. Looking at Prince and how he has developed as an artist since '78, isn't it safe to say that he's needed therapy since the day he pulled the Black Album a week before it's released. Why is it when he went through "spiritual" changes in the 80s and 90s, those changes are just seen as nothing more than tranisitional periods? But when Larry comes into the picture, somehow Prince has been pushed over the edge and has some sort of plague on his career How exactly did Larry push Prince over the edge?
[Edited 9/24/04 19:55pm] Prince never thought of trying to change his music to be something it wasn't until Larry came on the scene. Can anyone say cuss jar? G-U-I-L-T T-R-I-P... 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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I get the feeling a lot of people just picture Larry as riding Prince's coat tails to regain his relevance and being the one that brainwashed Prince into being a Jehovah's Witness.
Personally, I loved Larry's work with Sly but I just wish some projects weren't the Larry and Prince show and back to who it really should be about. I understand his influence and his place in the history, but he tries too hard and I think if he wasn't so preachy he wouldn't be the butt of so many jokes on here. There's a fine line between funky and a sermon that just happens to have a cool bass line contained somewhere inside. At least for me I think I'd listen more to him if it was about the music, and not about him trying to save somebody. If I want to listen to him talk about that, great-I will. The option should be there though. Prince is where he's at in part of Larry's influence-love or hate it, nothing we can do but just wait and see what happens next.  | |
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He influenced Prince a lot to do his most embarrassing stunts, like the whole "Stauros" thing. Hell, as a grown-up man even if the performance would have been Prince's idea Graham should have had the common sense to tell the guy that it perhaps wasn't going to be the coolest of TV performances. Instead, he even appeared on stage with him, singing a complete verse. They looked like two morons. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: This is not to say that believing in religion makes you a mental patient but plenty of bonafide crazy loons believe in God. Plenty. Spot on with this point.... Personally I hate Larry Graham 'cos he spent more time on Stage than Prince at Wembley in 96(?) or so it seemed! He spoilt the night for me with this and his fucking blatant plugs for his 'GSC' Album... Sadly I remember this more than anything else from that concert! Oh yeah.... AND he wore a silly hat!  | |
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I know it's not fair, but I dislike Larry because I "blame" him for Prince becoming a JW. No more cursing? He's not Prince without the profanity! | |
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psykosoul said: There's really no valid reason why people should believe that Larry made a significant change in Prince's music. Prince's music became lightweight funk/formulaic R&B with Emancipation, that album he was born to make which was prior to Prince's first meeting with Graham in 1997. So Larry had nothing to do with Prince's music starting to suck. I think folks need someone to point the finger at besides Prince and Larry is just happening to play the scapegoat.
There are going to be tons of responses that say Larry got Prince too caught up into God and religion which is a bunch of bullshit that really doesn't deserve a response considering Prince has been into "God stuff" and "pseudo-preaching" since the early 80s. Saying you don't like their collaborative efforts is one thing, but hating the day they met and feeling the need to become violently ill at the thought of Graham is just plain stupid. Some folks act like Graham is to Prince what Yoko was to the Beatles. The only difference is that Prince had been "broken up" long before Graham came along. One of the main reasons I think folks are so quick to hate Graham is because of the stigma and misconceptions about the Jehovah's Witness faith. What's silly is that when Prince is pretending to stand for something (i.e. 'Slave' on the cheek, assless pants, and name changes) the ideals may not be embraced by everyone, but it's respected as a decision that Prince made because he felt he had to. I don't understand why the same isn't applied in the Larry/JW era. I welcomed the change because it got his music out of that formulaic R&B rut he'd been in for 5 years. [Edited 9/24/04 20:14pm] I agree with you. Prince was into religion LONG before he met Larry Graham. I like Prince the way he is now. As you get older you change anyway mentally and spirtitually. Prince's personality doesn't seem the type that would allow anyone to force him to do something he does't want to do. I think his getting serious with religion was a long time coming. It had nothing to do with Larry's persuasion. Some people just want Prince to go back to the way we perceived him 20 years ago. I say if you can't accept him as he is, then you are not a true fan.  | |
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rialb said: I know it's not fair, but I dislike Larry because I "blame" him for Prince becoming a JW. No more cursing? He's not Prince without the profanity!
can we get an amen from the church?????he isnt the same without a word or two from the novel mutha whooooo | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: When the crazy find god.....watch out!
You said it! Watch the VIBE interview from '98. Larry just keeps preachin and Prince is shut out the entire interview. Also on the Rave DVD and the Septimo show, Larry ruins the shows with his "Everyday People" routine. Although I guess if it wasn't for Larry, there would be no Rainbow Children, which I believe is one of his best albums regardless of its subject matter. As long as Larry keeps his mouth shut I'm cool. Toejam @ Peach & Black Podcast: http://peachandblack.podbean.com
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toejam said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: When the crazy find god.....watch out!
You said it! Watch the VIBE interview from '98. Larry just keeps preachin and Prince is shut out the entire interview. Also on the Rave DVD and the Septimo show, Larry ruins the shows with his "Everyday People" routine. Although I guess if it wasn't for Larry, there would be no Rainbow Children, which I believe is one of his best albums regardless of its subject matter. As long as Larry keeps his mouth shut I'm cool. true but my point is the dude should draw a line between religon and work | |
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ABeautifulOne said: toejam said: You said it! Watch the VIBE interview from '98. Larry just keeps preachin and Prince is shut out the entire interview. Also on the Rave DVD and the Septimo show, Larry ruins the shows with his "Everyday People" routine. Although I guess if it wasn't for Larry, there would be no Rainbow Children, which I believe is one of his best albums regardless of its subject matter. As long as Larry keeps his mouth shut I'm cool. true but my point is the dude should draw a line between religon and work No way. I actually like it when Prince puts his religious views on us. Prince's music is always reflective of his life (and his life is reflective of his music )I don't always agree with his views (such as the theocratic order stuff) but it does make me do a little research and gets me thinking on subjects I might not have discovered before. Prince just puts it out there (as he has always done). It's up to you whether you want to agree or disagree. BUT ... as for Larry, that's a different story!Toejam @ Peach & Black Podcast: http://peachandblack.podbean.com
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im not im 2 religion so i think we should literally jump off of it right now  | |
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