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PrintableABeautifulOne said: ok like evry other post is dissing the dude i dont like him but i wanna know whhat has he done 4 u all to hate him
  He is a good bassist,but he shouldnt preach to Prince nothing. | |
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psykosoul said: I welcomed the change because it got his music out of that formulaic R&B rut he'd been in for 5 years.
[Edited 9/24/04 20:14pm] what formulaic R&B rut are you referring to? r u saying that the r&b he was making at that (whatever) period was crap? or that he was only making r&b or that R&B somehow just took over his music? i thought r&b has always (from the very beginning) been a part of his music? Change it one more time.. | |
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lezama said: psykosoul said: I welcomed the change because it got his music out of that formulaic R&B rut he'd been in for 5 years.
[Edited 9/24/04 20:14pm] what formulaic R&B rut are you referring to? r u saying that the r&b he was making at that (whatever) period was crap? or that he was only making r&b or that R&B somehow just took over his music? i thought r&b has always (from the very beginning) been a part of his music? I'm saying practically everything that was co-produced and programmed by Kirky J from 1996 through 1999. I don't think it was complete crap but he was capable of so much more. I know Prince started out as an R&B artist and developed into the multi-faceted artist we all know and love today. But that stuff he released during those years couldn't hold a candle to his previous R&B due to that cold, synthetic, plastic sound he and Kirky made together. I say formulaic because there was absolutely no departure from that sound until The Rainbow Children. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: psykosoul said: Looking at Prince and how he has developed as an artist since '78, isn't it safe to say that he's needed therapy since the day he pulled the Black Album a week before it's released. Why is it when he went through "spiritual" changes in the 80s and 90s, those changes are just seen as nothing more than tranisitional periods? But when Larry comes into the picture, somehow Prince has been pushed over the edge and has some sort of plague on his career  How exactly did Larry push Prince over the edge?
[Edited 9/24/04 19:55pm] Prince never thought of trying to change his music to be something it wasn't until Larry came on the scene. Can anyone say cuss jar? G-U-I-L-T T-R-I-P... Okay... Now I ask what is Prince's music supposed to be and again how exactly did Larry push Prince over the edge? Isn't it possible that when Prince looked up one morning and saw his 40 year old self in the mirror he realized that he was the one who was trying to change his music to be something it wasn't (anymore)? It's funny you mention guilt trips because I wonder if that's what it is that keeps the folks who continuously bitch and moan about Larry, religion, lack of music from NPGMC, etc coming back to ol' Princey. I guess now that the tour is over we can all go back to our complainin' ways.  | |
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psykosoul said: I'm saying practically everything that was co-produced and programmed by Kirky J from 1996 through 1999. I don't think it was complete crap but he was capable of so much more. I know Prince started out as an R&B artist and developed into the multi-faceted artist we all know and love today. But that stuff he released during those years couldn't hold a candle to his previous R&B due to that cold, synthetic, plastic sound he and Kirky made together. I say formulaic because there was absolutely no departure from that sound until The Rainbow Children.
OK... I'd agree. Change it one more time.. | |
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psykosoul said: There's really no valid reason why people should believe that Larry made a significant change in Prince's music. Prince's music became lightweight funk/formulaic R&B with Emancipation, that album he was born to make which was prior to Prince's first meeting with Graham in 1997. So Larry had nothing to do with Prince's music starting to suck. I think folks need someone to point the finger at besides Prince and Larry is just happening to play the scapegoat.
There are going to be tons of responses that say Larry got Prince too caught up into God and religion which is a bunch of bullshit that really doesn't deserve a response considering Prince has been into "God stuff" and "pseudo-preaching" since the early 80s. Saying you don't like their collaborative efforts is one thing, but hating the day they met and feeling the need to become violently ill at the thought of Graham is just plain stupid. First off,  to that post. VERY WELL SAID!
Secondly, Larry doesn't need to prove himself to anyone as an artist. He's done that. He's already a legend. This is not up for debate; if you don't already know then you're ignorant of his acomplishments. The answer to question "WHY DOES EVRY1 DISLIKE LARRY GRAHAM SO MUCH?" is thsi: NOT EVERYONE DOES. Only the obsessed freak "famarazzi™" who have so much of their own lives consumed with Prince that they can't fathom the concept of someone influencing Prince in any way. | |
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Zelihah said:
Some people just want Prince to go back to the way we perceived him 20 years ago. I say if you can't accept him as he is, then you are not a true fan. ZELIHAH, ZELIHAH, ZELIHAH!!!!! I COULDN'T'VE SAID IT ANY BETTER!!!!! THAT LAST SENTENCE IS SO TRUE!! I'M GOING TO ADD YOU TO MY BUDDY LIST NOW!!!!! I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT YOU WRITE NEXT!!! I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!!! YOU ARE ONE OF MY FAVORITE PEOPLE ON THE ORG NOW!!!!! I BOW DOWN TO YOU!!  !!!!![Edited 9/25/04 11:27am] ------;;;;;' | |
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Well hey. Larry has had a huge influence on Prince... we all know that!!! Go and listen to Larry's jams like 'Hair', 'The Jam' and 'Now D-U-Wanna Dance'. That's the influence.
Prince has had God since day one. Don't blame Larry for the God thing. Blame Larry for the FUNK THANG!  | |
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Personally, I think most people are afraid of his mustache. All cornery aside, the comment that Graham represents some sort of JW svengali to Prince is rather ironic -- given Prince's long-established reputation for being a control freak. In fact, wit regard to Prince, our boy was constantly referred to as a svengali over his female proteges. A child prince was not, when LG entered the fold. Is it possible that tragedies had led P to a vulnerable place that made Graham a calming, stabilizing force in his life? More than likely. He may even have been the kind of friend that Prince needed. Prince has chosen his direction. Leave him to it. | |
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larry isn't that bad.... just personality wise a tad boring...don't expect him to come up with something new...his time was the seventies and with gcs and the family stone when he was part of an inovation
prince is an adult so if he wants to amputate his left arm, so be it. If he wants to believe in something different, well good for him. What's unfortunate for me is that i can't listen to the rainbow children lyrics, because they irritate me badly.. But this is in no way larry's fault oh well let's climb on our high horses and see who cares I feel pretty, that's enough | |
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I was just thinking about this today...
Listened to my "live" CD of the NPS tour show I saw in Philly, and remember Larry walking in with his wife, past the line of folks waiting to get into the show. (I didn't know who he was to look at him), and I remember thinking, "What a nice guy!" He spent time with fans, taking pictures, shaking hands, smiling. Later when I realized who he was, saw the show, and witnessed the three hours of slammin' bass he and Prince layed down, I was blown away!!! Simply stated, there are two groups of people who dislike Larry: 1) People who don't like funk. 2) People who are threatened by anyone in entertainment who expresses their religious beliefs publicly. The guy's chops are without question, his place in funk history is secure, and he's one hell of a nice man, a true gentlemen... Those who berate him and put him down, show who they really are!  | |
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My opinion
Religion: I'm not a religious person, and I think nearly every religion has had its pernicious effects on history. But a person's religion is their own choice and I have no grievances with it as long as they're not using it as pretense to wrong others, and hopefully as long as they respect other people's religions too. Jehovah's Witness: I don't know much about them, but they are a proselytizing "door to door" religion and I do have a problem with that (I'm from a predominantly mormon area, so I have personal reasons too), otherwise I have nothing against them. Larry Graham: The man is every bit the icon of funk that George, Bootsy, and Sly are and I love his music and he's certainly a heavy influence on Prince. However, if he did exploit Prince's supposedly vulnerable emotional state to impose his religion on him, than I disagree with that, but I'm not totally convinced that is the case. Prince-The man is indeed a grown man capable of making his own decisions, does that mean I'm obligated to agree with them? No. Respect them? Well it depends on what you mean by respect. If by respect you mean acknowledge his right to do so, yes. If by respect you mean hold esteem for and not make fun (and I'm sorry but I have to make fun of the fact that the founding father of the warning label is a Jehovah's Witness  ) than, no. People change, for better or worse, and sometimes they change back too. Who cares what religion Prince subscribes to, any objective fan wouldn't care. It is kind of a bummer that he's tampered with his own lyrics and renounced his dirtier songs, but it's not as though he's gone out and burned every copy of them, we can still listen to the dirty prince any time we want to.[Edited 9/25/04 16:45pm] | |
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jacktheimprovident said: (and I'm sorry but I have to make fun of the fact that the founding father of the warning label is a Jehovah's Witness
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Since when is Tipper Gore and C.Dolores Tucker a JW. LOL "Thinking like the Keys on Prince's piano, we'll be just fine" | |
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Soulchild82 said: jacktheimprovident said: (and I'm sorry but I have to make fun of the fact that the founding father of the warning label is a Jehovah's Witness
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Since when is Tipper Gore and C.Dolores Tucker a JW. LOL yeah since when?????xplain this ish | |
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jacktheimprovident said: My opinion
It is kind of a bummer that he's tampered with his own lyrics and renounced his dirtier songs, but it's not as though he's gone out and burned every copy of them, we can still listen to the dirty prince any time we want to. [Edited 9/25/04 16:45pm] Guess I find it sad that this can't be looked at as a sign of maturity, rather than being something negative. Sure, I love the songs as they were as well, but you'd think cutting out cursing and focusing on spiritual above physical would be something to be admired. Guess not in this culture... | |
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jpav said: jacktheimprovident said: My opinion
It is kind of a bummer that he's tampered with his own lyrics and renounced his dirtier songs, but it's not as though he's gone out and burned every copy of them, we can still listen to the dirty prince any time we want to. [Edited 9/25/04 16:45pm] Guess I find it sad that this can't be looked at as a sign of maturity, rather than being something negative. Sure, I love the songs as they were as well, but you'd think cutting out cursing and focusing on spiritual above physical would be something to be admired. Guess not in this culture... I guess not right. What if we were all pigieon holed 4 things we did 20 years ago. As far as larry goes..I think he was a friend 2 prince when he needed it. and in the words o Bootsy Collins...."Larry Graham is the Baddest MotherPlucker (as in Bass Player) Alive." "Thinking like the Keys on Prince's piano, we'll be just fine" | |
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jpav said: jacktheimprovident said: My opinion
It is kind of a bummer that he's tampered with his own lyrics and renounced his dirtier songs, but it's not as though he's gone out and burned every copy of them, we can still listen to the dirty prince any time we want to. [Edited 9/25/04 16:45pm] Guess I find it sad that this can't be looked at as a sign of maturity, rather than being something negative. Sure, I love the songs as they were as well, but you'd think cutting out cursing and focusing on spiritual above physical would be something to be admired. Guess not in this culture... He doesn't want to curse anymore, that's fine. But in what universe is it a "sign or maturity" to pretend that half his back catalogue doesn't exist? To change the words to the relatively few songs he does choose to play? To ignore the fact that his work is part of what created the culture that encourages so much raunchiness? If he acknowledged that he was key in bringing pop culture to the point it is today -that would be maturity. I don't admire it -I think it's bullshit. Censorship is never the right way. [Edited 9/25/04 18:46pm] "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: jpav said: Guess I find it sad that this can't be looked at as a sign of maturity, rather than being something negative. Sure, I love the songs as they were as well, but you'd think cutting out cursing and focusing on spiritual above physical would be something to be admired. Guess not in this culture... He doesn't want to curse anymore, that's fine. But in what universe is it a "sign or maturity" to pretend that half his back catalogue doesn't exist? To change the words to the relatively few songs he does choose to play? To ignore the fact that his work is part of what created the culture that encourages so much raunchiness? If he acknowledged that he was key in bringing pop culture to the point it is today -that would be maturity. I don't admire it -I think it's bullshit. Censorship is never the right way. [Edited 9/25/04 18:46pm] It's not censorship. It's a choice. He's not pretending like that portion of his catalog doesn't exist. If Prince chooses not to sing certain words anymore, it doesn't leave any restrictions on him as a performer nor you as a listener. Go to the show. Admire him as a performer. When you get home, pop in the original classics and live it up with all of the "shits", "asses", "fucks", and "muthafuckas" you like. There's no reason anyone shouldn't get their preference. [Edited 9/25/04 18:52pm] | |
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So....hmmmm.....that means that none of us should make any changes in our lives.
We should never try to better ourselves. If we have a potty mouth in our 20's, we should continue to talk the same way, even when we feel we've matured or moved on to more important issues. We should never change any of our past behavior. Especially for our fans. I don't see him denying that he ever made those songs....some of them are even still available for download on his website. And you can still buy those albums in stores. As he said, he pushed the envelope of the table, leave it there. I doubt any of you would be upset if he came door knocking on your front porch. Any Bible reference offered as proof must be understood in the context of the consistent teaching of the entire Bible. | |
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gosh i feel like i'm on the fuckin brady bunch.....largy larry larry!!!
what about me huh?! ok now...first off...prince has been a Godly dude since day one u feel me? listen to ANY album from like controversy on down and there is @LEAST one God reference on there...as for mr. graham i could give 2 shits about him introducin P to the Jehova's Witness faith.....IT'S WHAT THEY DO!!! u all act as if prince is a child and larry is the daddy and he's makin prince do it...all larry did was lower the bait into the pond and prince took it...if u wanna b mad @ anyone be mad @ prince and God...but C i knooooo u all aint about to start hatin on God HISSELF!! so then be pissed @ prince...i personally don't agree with the jw.faith..no offense to anyone here who is one but i kind of view the jw as a legalized cult..but then i kinda view most religions that way...BUT its prince's choice and i respect it cuz i respect him...now did any of yall think that maybe just maybe prince turned to religion because he was goin thru some shit? his kids dead...his career aint doin that good...his marriage is on the rocks...AND on top of it all he has to act as if everythin is just PEACHY! man thats enough to make a some what sane man go bizerk! so on that front i'm a bit happy he got closer to God..even if tha do mean joinin an organized religion....so i guess to end this all don't hate larry just cuz he got to prince b4 u did! Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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jpav said: I was just thinking about this today...
Listened to my "live" CD of the NPS tour show I saw in Philly, and remember Larry walking in with his wife, past the line of folks waiting to get into the show. (I didn't know who he was to look at him), and I remember thinking, "What a nice guy!" He spent time with fans, taking pictures, shaking hands, smiling. Later when I realized who he was, saw the show, and witnessed the three hours of slammin' bass he and Prince layed down, I was blown away!!! Simply stated, there are two groups of people who dislike Larry: 1) People who don't like funk. 2) People who are threatened by anyone in entertainment who expresses their religious beliefs publicly. The guy's chops are without question, his place in funk history is secure, and he's one hell of a nice man, a true gentlemen... Those who berate him and put him down, show who they really are!  I couldn't said it any better myself. You hit it right on the nail. | |
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Moonwalk brain said: i personally don't agree with the jw.faith..no offense to anyone here who is one but i kind of view the jw as a legalized cult..
Cults are religions that follow a man. JW's do not follow any man. Just wanted to clear that up. [Edited 9/26/04 0:05am] Any Bible reference offered as proof must be understood in the context of the consistent teaching of the entire Bible. | |
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Moonwalkbjrain said: gosh i feel like i'm on the fuckin brady bunch.....largy larry larry!!!
what about me huh?! ok now...first off...prince has been a Godly dude since day one u feel me? listen to ANY album from like controversy on down and there is @LEAST one God reference on there...as for mr. graham i could give 2 shits about him introducin P to the Jehova's Witness faith.....IT'S WHAT THEY DO!!! u all act as if prince is a child and larry is the daddy and he's makin prince do it...all larry did was lower the bait into the pond and prince took it...if u wanna b mad @ anyone be mad @ prince and God...but C i knooooo u all aint about to start hatin on God HISSELF!! so then be pissed @ prince...i personally don't agree with the jw.faith..no offense to anyone here who is one but i kind of view the jw as a legalized cult..but then i kinda view most religions that way...BUT its prince's choice and i respect it cuz i respect him...now did any of yall think that maybe just maybe prince turned to religion because he was goin thru some shit? his kids dead...his career aint doin that good...his marriage is on the rocks...AND on top of it all he has to act as if everythin is just PEACHY! man thats enough to make a some what sane man go bizerk! so on that front i'm a bit happy he got closer to God..even if tha do mean joinin an organized religion....so i guess to end this all don't hate larry just cuz he got to prince b4 u did! So are catholics a cult since they follow the pope? "Thinking like the Keys on Prince's piano, we'll be just fine" | |
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I just think Larry has a natural born ability to be annoying. Like Ned Flanders. They even look the same. | |
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Spookymuffin said: I just think Larry has a natural born ability to be annoying. Like Ned Flanders. They even look the same.
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ABeautifulOne said: Soulchild82 said: Since when is Tipper Gore and C.Dolores Tucker a JW. LOL yeah since when?????xplain this ish I was referring to Prince not Tipper Gore et all. I was commenting that it is ironic that the man who triggered the PMRC is now a jehovah's witness | |
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Soulchild82 said: Moonwalkbjrain said: gosh i feel like i'm on the fuckin brady bunch.....largy larry larry!!!
what about me huh?! ok now...first off...prince has been a Godly dude since day one u feel me? listen to ANY album from like controversy on down and there is @LEAST one God reference on there...as for mr. graham i could give 2 shits about him introducin P to the Jehova's Witness faith.....IT'S WHAT THEY DO!!! u all act as if prince is a child and larry is the daddy and he's makin prince do it...all larry did was lower the bait into the pond and prince took it...if u wanna b mad @ anyone be mad @ prince and God...but C i knooooo u all aint about to start hatin on God HISSELF!! so then be pissed @ prince...i personally don't agree with the jw.faith..no offense to anyone here who is one but i kind of view the jw as a legalized cult..but then i kinda view most religions that way...BUT its prince's choice and i respect it cuz i respect him...now did any of yall think that maybe just maybe prince turned to religion because he was goin thru some shit? his kids dead...his career aint doin that good...his marriage is on the rocks...AND on top of it all he has to act as if everythin is just PEACHY! man thats enough to make a some what sane man go bizerk! so on that front i'm a bit happy he got closer to God..even if tha do mean joinin an organized religion....so i guess to end this all don't hate larry just cuz he got to prince b4 u did! So are catholics a cult since they follow the pope? i don't really view cults as groups that follow a man....although i kno thats a way of defining it...but its like they have all these super strict rules...and then all that cover up nonsense...and with the whole jw u gotta go door to door and its all those rules...no long hair, no blood transfusions (yes o yes i'd rather let my child die then help them), they keep tabs on u..i mean no offense to any one out there who is one, its just my view of the whole thing. thats just how i c it. i feel like u shouldn't have to follow stuff to a T to beleive in and love god.. Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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Free prince from larry
free prince from larry free prince from larry free prince from larry  U led me on thinking u was moses. Hurtin sheep blinded through a fantasy | |
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Moonwalkbjrain said: Soulchild82 said: So are catholics a cult since they follow the pope? i feel like u shouldn't have to follow stuff to a T to beleive in and love god.. well you shouldv'e said that instead of finger pointing at Prince's faith. "Thinking like the Keys on Prince's piano, we'll be just fine" | |
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NouveauDance said: Spookymuffin said: I just think Larry has a natural born ability to be annoying. Like Ned Flanders. They even look the same.
It's the hat, man. The hat. Lovely jaunty angle. | |
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