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I think it look ok but the message is AWFUL! Very childish.
So a girl gets bullied at school and becomes a suicide bomber? This make Prince look a bit simple. He's going to get lambasted for this. |
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I love the video! 
Nice style, and I like the story in it: not at all childish or so, maybe a bit simple, but hey: it is a video, right. I've seen worse... | |
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funkyfine said: I think it look ok but the message is AWFUL! Very childish.
So a girl gets bullied at school and becomes a suicide bomber? This make Prince look a bit simple. He's going to get lambasted for this. I think your interpretation is too literal. This video says exactly what I've been warning my American friends against, which is : if we react to terrorism with intolerance in a bid for revenge or extra security, we might very well perpetuate the problem, and some of it might even start in a schoolyard. Hatred invites more of the same. If you have to kill thousands of innocent people to catch an handful of terrrorists, the survivors will feel a great injustice and you'll actually have better conditions for terrorism. There are people who think Bush should just have carpet-bombed the arab world, not even giving a thought to the fanaticism this kind of strategy might provoke. | |
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Ifsixwuz9 said: Just watched it. Not seeing what the hoopla is about, be it a Prince video or anyone else's for that matter.
Nah.... This video is a near miracle considering how little creativity has gone into most Prince videos over the years. Not only is it visually compelling, the narrative is actually interesting and timely. You were always hard to please.  | |
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its a good video by prince's standards but i have to say its a little cheesy. and the message is not clear...it almost comes off (visually) like he's saying she became a terrorist because she's muslim. she was clearly shocked in the beginning of the video and then she gets harrassed and then she blows up the airport...  .
its almost a good video but i have to say i'm not really crazy about the visual story. | |
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Yeah...
I know it's only a 3 minutes video, but to see the girl go from tears to revenge in such a short span doesn't leave much time for empathy -- it seemed a bit of a stretch to me. | |
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finally saw it last night  
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LouieLaFunk said: im impressed w/ the video....and i'm not that crazy over the song but the video helps
The video is amazing ...so is the song its a catchy song ..why does no one like it ?? are u all deaf  | |
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psykosoul said: Jestyr said: Main Entry: de·scent too much time on your hands Pronunciation: di-'sent Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French descente, from Old French descendre 1 a : derivation from an ancestor : BIRTH, LINEAGE b : transmission or devolution of an estate by inheritance usually in the descending line c : the fact or process of originating from an ancestral stock d : the shaping or development in nature and character by transmission from a source : DERIVATION 2 : the act or process of descending 3 : a step downward in a scale of gradation; specifically : one generation in an ancestral line or genealogical scale 4 a : an inclination downward : SLOPE b : a descending way (as a downgrade or stairway) c obsolete : the lowest part 5 a : ATTACK, INVASION b : a sudden disconcerting appearance (as for a visit) 6 : a downward step (as in station or value) : DECLINE Main Entry: de·cent Pronunciation: 'dE-s&nt u have too much time on your hands ....sad 
Function: adjective Etymology: Middle French or Latin; Middle French, from Latin decent-, decens, present participle of decEre to be fitting; akin to Latin decus honor, dignus worthy, Greek dokein to seem, seem good 1 archaic a : APPROPRIATE b : well-formed : HANDSOME 2 a : conforming to standards of propriety, good taste, or morality b : modestly clothed 3 : free from immodesty or obscenity 4 : fairly good but not excellent : ADEQUATE, SATISFACTORY 5 : marked by moral integrity, kindness, and goodwill synonym see CHASTE - de·cent·ly adverb You just can't bring yourself to post a compliment can you?   [Edited 9/25/04 9:25am] | |
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SassyBritches said: its a good video by prince's standards but i have to say its a little cheesy. and the message is not clear...it almost comes off (visually) like he's saying she became a terrorist because she's muslim. she was clearly shocked in the beginning of the video and then she gets harrassed and then she blows up the airport...
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its almost a good video but i have to say i'm not really crazy about the visual story. She doesn't actually blow up the airport. It's true a few things are left to interpretation -- is it all a revenge fantasy from her part or is it just that her plan fails? Either way, she realizes the consequences of her act. | |
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Aerogram said: funkyfine said: I think it look ok but the message is AWFUL! Very childish.
So a girl gets bullied at school and becomes a suicide bomber? This make Prince look a bit simple. He's going to get lambasted for this. I think your interpretation is too literal. This video says exactly what I've been warning my American friends against, which is : if we react to terrorism with intolerance in a bid for revenge or extra security, we might very well perpetuate the problem, and some of it might even start in a schoolyard. Hatred invites more of the same. If you have to kill thousands of innocent people to catch an handful of terrrorists, the survivors will feel a great injustice and you'll actually have better conditions for terrorism. There are people who think Bush should just have carpet-bombed the arab world, not even giving a thought to the fanaticism this kind of strategy might provoke. Yeah, I agree with that. To create a metaphor, 9/11 was like a stone being thrown in a calm pond - ripples emanate out, and you if you try to stop the ripples by throwing more stones, all you'll do is create more ripples. It's self-perpetuationg. The more you try to stamp out terrorism by blunt violent means, the more terrorists you create in it's wake. I'm glad they got a good actress for this short role - it was very good casting. | |
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Aerogram said: SassyBritches said: its a good video by prince's standards but i have to say its a little cheesy. and the message is not clear...it almost comes off (visually) like he's saying she became a terrorist because she's muslim. she was clearly shocked in the beginning of the video and then she gets harrassed and then she blows up the airport...
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its almost a good video but i have to say i'm not really crazy about the visual story. She doesn't actually blow up the airport. It's true a few things are left to interpretation -- is it all a revenge fantasy from her part or is it just that her plan fails? Either way, she realizes the consequences of her act. Just saw the video... so what exactly is the msg? Coz I myself am struggling a bit here. The lyrics at the end talk about the girl who opens the book... i presume the bible... and wishes no more wars after this one... dont know about u lot... but im struggling to see the connection with the lyrics and the ending... whats the msg here?.. what in fact, is the story? The Tao te Ching gives advice to rulers:
"Interfere Less". | |
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Great video, I dig the message, but still don't like the song itself too much... RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time... |
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HORRIBLE TIME TO NOT HAVE A WORKING SOUNDCARD!
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funkyfine said: I think it look ok but the message is AWFUL! Very childish.
So a girl gets bullied at school and becomes a suicide bomber? This make Prince look a bit simple. He's going to get lambasted for this. I posted this up above, but it applies here, too... I get the feeling that, after the Towers attacks, she was struggling between being true to her heritage (everyone started hating her and linking her and her family, her religion, to terrorism simply because of their "fixed heritage"), and trying to be more "American" to ward off the hatred (the scene with her family getting on her because of how she was dressed, her hairstyle, etc..)...She didn't know where or how to fit in anymore. Over the time period depicted in the video (a year, perhaps??..More???) she had grown into someone who became angry and disillusioned, and eventually became a pawn for some terrorist cell...only to return literally at the last second to what she knew to be right... It's obvious they wanted to portray some years going by, not just weeks or months...visually, "Cinnamon Girl" goes from looking like a young schoolgirl, hair up, riding her bike... 
...to looking far more grown, approaching adulthood...hair down, make up, eyes and expression evoking lengthy exposure to sadness, lonliness, anger... 
The timespan isn't literally spelled out for the viewer, but the visual cues do give evidence of far more going on in between the hatred experienced at school by her classmates and the final airport scenes. | |
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I LOVED IT!! OH MAN!! HE'S WAY TO PRETTY FOR THE SAKE OF OTHERS!!!!! ------;;;;;' | |
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PurpleHouse said: Aerogram said: She doesn't actually blow up the airport. It's true a few things are left to interpretation -- is it all a revenge fantasy from her part or is it just that her plan fails? Either way, she realizes the consequences of her act. Just saw the video... so what exactly is the msg? Coz I myself am struggling a bit here. The lyrics at the end talk about the girl who opens the book... i presume the bible... and wishes no more wars after this one... dont know about u lot... but im struggling to see the connection with the lyrics and the ending... whats the msg here?.. what in fact, is the story? Not too sure about "the book she knows will even all the scores". It could be the koran rather than the Bible in her world, the argument being that she should trust God to even the scores and "pray after the war that there will not be anymore", because when "Militants bomb the foreign gun, Both sides truly die " In other words, in Prince's world, if we were all truly spiritual and really connected to God and each other, there would be no wars since we would all be on a higher plane. [Edited 9/25/04 12:42pm] | |
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funkyfine said: I think it look ok but the message is AWFUL! Very childish.
So a girl gets bullied at school and becomes a suicide bomber? This make Prince look a bit simple. He's going to get lambasted for this. Lambasted? Don't think so, judging from what a vast majority of people have posted on this thread. RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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i watched this video, i thought it was really good, leave it up to Prince to make something beautiful.
In the video, in the beginning, Prince his the scripture 5:5, writtin on his forhead, if any of you guys know what 5:5 stands for, please tell me! thanks a lot! Money don't matter 2 night
It sure didn't matter yesterday Just when u think u've got more than enough That's when it all up and flies away | |
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Byron said: The timespan isn't literally spelled out for the viewer, but the visual cues do give evidence of far more going on in between the hatred experienced at school by her classmates and the final airport scenes.
Thanks for the interesting analysis. I missed the visual cues indicating the passage of time. Still... I think the format is a bit too short. The compression of time makes it hard to have empathy for the girl towards the end. | |
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The video is great good story line etc.....it's funny how the first hundred post are postive but after that questions are possed that have been answered ie 5:5 = meek shall in hereit the earth...not seeing the girl becoming a woman. People like someone mentioned in a post take a breath maybe you wouldn't do or say things you may regret. Prince's thing has been to me read and try and understand someones situation just deep alittle deeper past what u think u know. To Prince nice work keep doing it like u do. Be WILD | |
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Shockamattica said: DarkKnight1 said: Outstanding video. I wish this would have been the leadoff video and single.
The problem being that the song sucks big time. Cheesetastic!!!!  It's a great song. Some of Prince's best vocals, cool guitar throughout, and an energy and urgency not found in very many songs on Musicology. At least that's what I think. Luv & Peace, Alex Clubbin' in Mpls/A Night w. Prince | |
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PurpleHouse said: Just saw the video... so what exactly is the msg? Coz I myself am struggling a bit here. The lyrics at the end talk about the girl who opens the book... i presume the bible... and wishes no more wars after this one... dont know about u lot... but im struggling to see the connection with the lyrics and the ending... whats the msg here?.. what in fact, is the story?
I have the same problem with the video. I think the song is great (best on Musicology). I think the video is great. I don't think they gel too well. The song's about a girl who sees the hatred stemming from 9/11 and the war on terror alibi. She's not a violent girl. The lyrics are about her praying in a way that no one's prayed before, begging that after "this one," there will never be another war. The attempted (?) bombing of the airport turned me off. The Cinnamon Girl in the video isn't the same as the one in the song. I thought the video was going to show her not being allowed on the plane, due to the color of her skin. That's how I thought it would end. The bomb thing seemed a bit sensationalistic and ill-suited toward the rest of the video and the lyrics to the song. Oh well. It was still an amazing video, end excluded. Luv & Peace, Alex Clubbin' in Mpls/A Night w. Prince | |
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paisleypark319 said: i watched this video, i thought it was really good, leave it up to Prince to make something beautiful.
In the video, in the beginning, Prince his the scripture 5:5, writtin on his forhead, if any of you guys know what 5:5 stands for, please tell me! thanks a lot! In Dear Mr. Man, Prince sings : Matthew 5:5 say “The meek shall inherit the earth” | |
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sloopydrew4u said: PurpleHouse said: Just saw the video... so what exactly is the msg? Coz I myself am struggling a bit here. The lyrics at the end talk about the girl who opens the book... i presume the bible... and wishes no more wars after this one... dont know about u lot... but im struggling to see the connection with the lyrics and the ending... whats the msg here?.. what in fact, is the story?
I have the same problem with the video. I think the song is great (best on Musicology). I think the video is great. I don't think they gel too well. The song's about a girl who sees the hatred stemming from 9/11 and the war on terror alibi. She's not a violent girl. The lyrics are about her praying in a way that no one's prayed before, begging that after "this one," there will never be another war. The attempted (?) bombing of the airport turned me off. The Cinnamon Girl in the video isn't the same as the one in the song. I thought the video was going to show her not being allowed on the plane, due to the color of her skin. That's how I thought it would end. The bomb thing seemed a bit sensationalistic and ill-suited toward the rest of the video and the lyrics to the song. Oh well. It was still an amazing video, end excluded. Luv & Peace, Alex Clubbin' in Mpls/A Night w. Prince I must say that is also what I expected a video for Cinnamon Girl to be. I think it's due to the reports that Prince wrote the song after his wife Manuella had trouble getting on a plane. But if you read the lyrics, there's nothing in there to suggest a story line besides the fact she's praying and that 9/11 resulted in her oppression. | |
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I just saw the video and thought it was very cool. I think it's perfect for the song. CG is my favorite from the cd. I just hope that gets more creative with his music videos. With the technology of today music videos with a band performing on stage in front of camera does't seem too exciting anymore. U go Prince ! You're the best always! | |
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psychodelicide said:[quote] Handclapsfingasnapz said:  I wasn't real crazy about the song either at first, but watching the the video made me like and appreciate it more. 
i have a tendancy to dislike Prince videos in which he has writing on himself.
hehehe, that too...makes ya wanna reach through the screen with a damp washcloth and wipe his forehead.  "Prince, son, you have some dirt on your forehead there. Here, lemme wipe it off."
[Edited 9/24/04 12:08pm] I agree with all of your points. However, I don't think that his video will see the light of day in the US on MTV especially if Bush's boys have any thing to say about due to 9-11 refrences.  did the right thing when he moved to Canada b/c the US is pretty uptight and Bush is looking for another skapegoat especially after the Janet Boobgate Controvery is starting to die.Don't get me wrong, I am neither pro-republican or pro-democrat. I am just giving my  . | |
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True, I don't think MTV will be airing this video at all, if they do, I will be surprised.  RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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I will bet you a million dollars this video will never be shown on American television. Too controversial. Bushland will not let the truth in.
Will be another big flop for Prince. It is strange to see him defend Muslims. All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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