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Reply #60 posted 09/17/04 2:29pm

pennylover

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DavidEye said:

gman1966 said:



DavidEye

Captain of the Madonna Brigade - The defender of Madonna on Prince.org

What exactly are you trying to prove with this stupid post. Popularity is all subjective. Mick Jagger is the worse singer on the face of the planet but the Stones can fill a football stadium. You get caught up in the atmosphere and the whole spectacle of Madonna's show. So you can lose track of the indisputable facts that the heffer is a average singer/dancer.....



I know that popularity is subjective,and personally it doesn't matter to me how many people buy a Madonna CD or go to her shows.But I get pissed when folks try to suggest that she can't sellout shows,that her records aren't selling,that her tour is a flop and that her career is over.I just posted an article that proves otherwise.


Where u at her concert? How many have u paid 2 go see? And yes it does matter 2 u how many people buy her CD's. How many of them do u own? mad Baby its not that serious 4 u 2 get all pissed off behind your material girl LOL lol
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Reply #61 posted 09/17/04 2:54pm

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metalorange said:

From a musical point, Prince IS bigger than Madonna, in the way he's influenced generations of artists and musicians (including Madonna).

But Madonna is bigger in a purely popularity sense. And she's influenced pop culture a lot too. But then, she's always been actively seeking that popularity in a way that Prince never has. Madonna would never deliberately make an experimental, difficult, obtuse album, she always wants something that is gonna be a hit and sell lots. She follows the current trends, Prince goes his own way (mostly).


Good points.

I remember getting the Entertainment Weekly with P on the cover and the counter ladies had no idea who he was. Now if it was Madonna..I am certain they would know.

But Madonna has never "left" the music scene...she continues to get her stuff played. Music was big and so was Ray of light...putting out songs that will endure for a long time...she still doing classics. Though I am not sure how popular the latest singles were (I don't think that big). American Life, though going number one was actually not that big seller for her.

Even with Musicology, he still has not had a big hit (single) in a long time.

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Reply #62 posted 09/17/04 3:00pm

CynicKill

Dumb question.

Of course Madonna is bigger.

Britney Spears is bigger.

Justin Timberlake is bigger.

Even Michael Jackson is bigger.

Does it matter?

No.
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Reply #63 posted 09/17/04 4:26pm

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priceless said:

Could Prince become as huge as Madonna in Popularity?
What do U think?


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Reply #64 posted 09/17/04 4:32pm

SammiJ

...@least he dont 4get the words 2 his songs in concert... rolleyes
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Reply #65 posted 09/17/04 7:26pm

dustysgirl

Look what Parade magazine had to say about Prince and Madonna in an August issue:

Q. People once dismissed Prince as a bizarre has-been. Now he’s in the midst of a great musical comeback. How do you account for his sudden new popularity?
—Talia T., Washington, D.C.

A. Dazzling musicianship, brilliant marketing (he funds his own projects, presses his own CDs and sells his music directly to fans) and a newfound spirituality (the singer converted to the Jehovah’s Witness faith). And we’d add another factor: Unlike Madonna—who turns 46 this month and is still trying to woo audiences with showmanship and sexuality—Prince Rogers Nelson, also 46, is making beautiful music.
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Reply #66 posted 09/17/04 7:35pm

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dustysgirl said:

Look what Parade magazine had to say about Prince and Madonna in an August issue:

Q. People once dismissed Prince as a bizarre has-been. Now he’s in the midst of a great musical comeback. How do you account for his sudden new popularity?
—Talia T., Washington, D.C.

A. Dazzling musicianship, brilliant marketing (he funds his own projects, presses his own CDs and sells his music directly to fans) and a newfound spirituality (the singer converted to the Jehovah’s Witness faith). And we’d add another factor: Unlike Madonna—who turns 46 this month and is still trying to woo audiences with showmanship and sexuality—Prince Rogers Nelson, also 46, is making beautiful music.


This is exactly what I have been saying about Madonna and her live performances and this is coming from a unbiased point of view. Not Madonna fans not Prince fans and I have seen many statements like this about The Material Girl. but the Madonna apologists will of course vehemently dispute these statements.
"Say it Loud - I'm Black and I'm Proud!!!" - Brother James Brown

"Make my funk the P-FUNK...I want my funk uncut...." Brother George Clinton
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Reply #67 posted 09/17/04 8:54pm

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metalorange said:

From a musical point, Prince IS bigger than Madonna, in the way he's influenced generations of artists and musicians (including Madonna).

But Madonna is bigger in a purely popularity sense. And she's influenced pop culture a lot too. But then, she's always been actively seeking that popularity in a way that Prince never has. Madonna would never deliberately make an experimental, difficult, obtuse album, she always wants something that is gonna be a hit and sell lots. She follows the current trends, Prince goes his own way (mostly).


They influenced pop-culture? They both have claimed it for themselves.
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Reply #68 posted 09/17/04 8:56pm

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DavidEye said:

Nikki4u said:

Yes she is a 46 year old married mother she is not 24 any more ...its not kissing the woman its just she is attention mad ...she hated Britney or Christina stealing her limelight eek



It's part of being an entertainer.Remember when Prince appeared on the VMAs in 1991? His dancers were simulating an orgy and he was wearing ass-less pants.


Now, that's what i like to hear.
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Reply #69 posted 09/17/04 8:58pm

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meow85 said:

Nope! Prince is a teeny guy. Madonna's bigger. nod



I didn't ask if he's TALLER!
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Reply #70 posted 09/17/04 9:01pm

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DavidEye said:




It's a line taken from Madonna's 1994 song "Human Nature",a song that she wrote especially for "critics" like you lol


Why is stating the truth being a critic? Also you never did tell what Madonna boards you frequent the most.... "Human Nature" Now she was ripping off Michael Jackson biggrin


Micheal Jackson is a rip-off himself; what goes around...
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Reply #71 posted 09/17/04 9:12pm

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lolinex said:

For me Prince is bigger than Madonna for the simple fact he is a musical genius.

I have always liked both artist and at the same time disagreed with some of their actions.
More so with Madonna then Prince.

I read a post about Madonna kissing 2 girls and I would have to agree. I personally don't think there's anything wrong with 2 girls kissing since I'm a girl that kisses her girl every single day, but I do have a problem when it's for attention. I do have a problem with it when your 7? year old daughter is watching it from backstage regardless if it's entertainment or not. Oh and what about her tour when she had the shirt that said F*CK on it. Is it really necessary to act in this behavior? I think when you have children you have a responsibility to them.

Yes Prince has had some interesting times as well, but if he had children of his own I think he would be responsible.

Overall we all do things when were young we just have to hope we grow out of it when we get older.

Much Love,
LoLinex


WELL SAID!
This is the most sensible post i've read so far.
Thank you for sharing your honest opinion.
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Reply #72 posted 09/18/04 12:31am

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priceless said:

lolinex said:

For me Prince is bigger than Madonna for the simple fact he is a musical genius.

I have always liked both artist and at the same time disagreed with some of their actions.
More so with Madonna then Prince.

I read a post about Madonna kissing 2 girls and I would have to agree. I personally don't think there's anything wrong with 2 girls kissing since I'm a girl that kisses her girl every single day, but I do have a problem when it's for attention. I do have a problem with it when your 7? year old daughter is watching it from backstage regardless if it's entertainment or not. Oh and what about her tour when she had the shirt that said F*CK on it. Is it really necessary to act in this behavior? I think when you have children you have a responsibility to them.

Yes Prince has had some interesting times as well, but if he had children of his own I think he would be responsible.

Overall we all do things when were young we just have to hope we grow out of it when we get older.

Much Love,
LoLinex


WELL SAID!
This is the most sensible post i've read so far.
Thank you for sharing your honest opinion.


Who said she is being irresoponsible? My mother would always explain things to me that i saw that she thought needed explaintion. She would curse in front of me than appoligize and explain that cursing makes you sound ignorant ad obsence to people. She left it to us to decide when it is apporiate to do that. She also took my brother and I to R rated movies at a very young age and would explain to us what was going on if we couldn't understand it. From what I've seen of Madonna she takes good care of her children, and is there for them when they need her. According to her ABC interview Lourdes has a hard time at school because she can't trust people to be her friends. always wondering if they want to be her friend or meet her mother.
Prince and Madonna both have shaped and influneced pop culture and music.... Madonna just places the emphasis on the Visual. Howerver ask anyone that works for her on tour... the image can not take away from the MUSIC. The songs are what we remember the songs are what brought us there. She writes simple catchy lyrics and has them put on amazing dance tracks. 36 top 5 hits more than anyone else but Elvis. 38 dance #1's more than anyone else. She may not be the worldest greatest Singer but she has written some of the best pop songs of the past 20 years... Live to Tell still gives me goosebumps.
You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
authentic power is service- Pope Francis
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Reply #73 posted 09/18/04 2:38am

jayaredee

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Look what Parade magazine had to say about Prince and Madonna in an August issue:

Q. People once dismissed Prince as a bizarre has-been. Now he’s in the midst of a great musical comeback. How do you account for his sudden new popularity?
—Talia T., Washington, D.C.

A. Dazzling musicianship, brilliant marketing (he funds his own projects, presses his own CDs and sells his music directly to fans) and a newfound spirituality (the singer converted to the Jehovah’s Witness faith). And we’d add another factor: Unlike Madonna—who turns 46 this month and is still trying to woo audiences with showmanship and sexuality—Prince Rogers Nelson, also 46, is making beautiful music.


Obviously the writer of this statement hasn't a clue to save their life. They mention Madonna still using sexuality, when she hasn't in such a long time. If the kiss between her and Britney is what they consider sexual, get real cause that's far from sexual. Meanwhile we still have Janet taking off her clothes, and they say nothing about her....
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Reply #74 posted 09/18/04 2:44am

Rockability

Madonna will probably make Rock&Roll HOF, but thats because shes gonna whine her way there.


She hasn't done jack if you think bout it. Come on, name off her hits for me. They all give credits to someone else. Only thing she gets is credit for her stage performance and her singing. Stage, thats just her ego, like a crazy stripper. Singing? She can't.
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Reply #75 posted 09/18/04 3:03am

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I hate it when some of you guys say Madonna was big, because she hyped herself. It's crap. She's been doing good music, that's why she was succesfull. Don't deny it, you all love atleast one Madonna song.


BITCH! Yes, I like Like a Prayer. But one song, outta about 300, doesn't qualify as anyone with talent or worth listening to.

Luv & Peace,
Alex
Did rock just officially die?
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Reply #76 posted 09/18/04 3:06am

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priceless said:

but Madonna (the Madonna Louise Ciccone) has more websites, in more books (biographies, history and other), pictures, merchandise, video clips and other movie appearances, people working for her etc etc


And KISS has more than Madonna. Are you gonna tell me that they're currently bigger than either Madonna or Prince, just cuz they sell a generic coffin?

Luv & Peace,
Alex
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Reply #77 posted 09/18/04 3:09am

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DavidEye said:

[b] The tour was produced worldwide by Clear Channel Entertainment's touring division.


'Nuff said. Madonna's a corporate whore. How long 'til she kisses Alicia Keyes?

Luv & Peace,
Alex
Did rock just officially die?
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Reply #78 posted 09/18/04 3:13am

Rockability

sloopydrew4u said:

DavidEye said:

[b] The tour was produced worldwide by Clear Channel Entertainment's touring division.


'Nuff said. Madonna's a corporate whore. How long 'til she kisses Alicia Keyes?

Luv & Peace,
Alex
Did rock just officially die?


And to think how many STDs Spears picked up off that kiss. Just for the publicity...., now thats a ho!
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Reply #79 posted 09/18/04 3:20am

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Rockability said:

sloopydrew4u said:



'Nuff said. Madonna's a corporate whore. How long 'til she kisses Alicia Keyes?

Luv & Peace,
Alex
Did rock just officially die?


And to think how many STDs Spears picked up off that kiss. Just for the publicity...., now thats a ho!


She BEGGED to perform at the Republican National Convention. Whattdaya expect?

Bush was all for it, until the nazis in the party protested, being that Britney dresses "sinfully."

Luv & Peace,
Alex
Did rock just officially die?
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Reply #80 posted 09/18/04 4:08am

jayaredee

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Madonna will probably make Rock&Roll HOF, but thats because shes gonna whine her way there.


She hasn't done jack if you think bout it. Come on, name off her hits for me. They all give credits to someone else. Only thing she gets is credit for her stage performance and her singing. Stage, thats just her ego, like a crazy stripper. Singing? She can't.


Ummm if you look at the liner noter, which you have not you would see that she writes and co-produces most of her material. Something not even Elvis did.
Unless you actually know what you're talking about, it's safer to keep quiet.
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Reply #81 posted 09/18/04 4:14am

Rockability

jayaredee said:

Rockability said:

Madonna will probably make Rock&Roll HOF, but thats because shes gonna whine her way there.


She hasn't done jack if you think bout it. Come on, name off her hits for me. They all give credits to someone else. Only thing she gets is credit for her stage performance and her singing. Stage, thats just her ego, like a crazy stripper. Singing? She can't.


Ummm if you look at the liner noter, which you have not you would see that she writes and co-produces most of her material. Something not even Elvis did.
Unless you actually know what you're talking about, it's safer to keep quiet.




LOL, whats she write then besides shit. IF she manages to get her name on the writing, it was probably because of her powerful ego pull.

She sucks, all there is to it.
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Reply #82 posted 09/18/04 4:16am

jayaredee

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jayaredee said:



Ummm if you look at the liner noter, which you have not you would see that she writes and co-produces most of her material. Something not even Elvis did.
Unless you actually know what you're talking about, it's safer to keep quiet.




LOL, whats she write then besides shit. IF she manages to get her name on the writing, it was probably because of her powerful ego pull.

She sucks, all there is to it.


Well that's your opinion, but when you say she doesn't write her own music that's just slander.
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Reply #83 posted 09/18/04 4:22am

Rockability

"Well that's your opinion"




Thats a fact, you should know what a songwriter is being a member here. Madonna is a performer, nothing more. That isn't a controversial statement and really isn't up for debate. She can dance and had great writers/producers, etc. etc.

I'll give her credit for having enough talent to accept the songs that were written for her as good. Elvis, on the other hand, could at least sing! And in his day, singing the way he was just bout put a bounty on his head. No comparison there.
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Reply #84 posted 09/18/04 4:25am

jayaredee

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"Well that's your opinion"




Thats a fact, you should know what a songwriter is being a member here. Madonna is a performer, nothing more. That isn't a controversial statement and really isn't up for debate. She can dance and had great writers/producers, etc. etc.

I'll give her credit for having enough talent to accept the songs that were written for her as good. Elvis, on the other hand, could at least sing! And in his day, singing the way he was just bout put a bounty on his head. No comparison there.


Well it's my opinion that she can sing and it's my opinion she can write.

Gonna stop me from having an opinion because you think what you say is a fact?
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Reply #85 posted 09/18/04 4:27am

Rockability

LOL, i'll agree with you there. You can always have an opinion against a fact. Maybe one day an opinion will turn the fact to false, at least if you listen to it long enough.
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Reply #86 posted 09/18/04 4:29am

jayaredee

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LOL, i'll agree with you there. You can always have an opinion against a fact. Maybe one day an opinion will turn the fact to false, at least if you listen to it long enough.


It's not a fact, but you can continue to slander all you wish.
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Reply #87 posted 09/18/04 4:30am

jayaredee

And there's no such thing as an opinion against a fact, it's technicall, ummmm, impossible???

Please stop making yourself look like an ass
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Reply #88 posted 09/18/04 4:33am

Rockability

Slander? She can't write!!!!!

She can try.


She can't sing, she can try.


You probably don't know that her voice sounds nice through recordings because of the tweaks they have to do during the recording process. I mean, damn, her voice needs to be adjusted, cause she is the closest to tone-deaf of the so-called artists out there.

Good night!!!!
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Reply #89 posted 09/18/04 4:45am

jayaredee

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Slander? She can't write!!!!!

She can try.


She can't sing, she can try.


You probably don't know that her voice sounds nice through recordings because of the tweaks they have to do during the recording process. I mean, damn, her voice needs to be adjusted, cause she is the closest to tone-deaf of the so-called artists out there.

Good night!!!!


No, i think she can sing because i've seen her live. I never said she was Mariah or Celine.

Sweet Dreams!
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