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Reply #90 posted 09/16/04 2:53pm

pstarr

Thank you. It seems obvious that he was never promoting incest. Come on folks, this is Prince we're talking about! He may love sex, but he does have morals. sheesh



thescandalouslife said:

DTrickyB said:

The most discusting lyric that I have ever heard fall from that man's lips had to be in "Sister"

Incest is everything it's said to be.omfg That's just some sick and twisted shyt that I know he wish he could take back. disbelief


But isn't incest said to be disgusting, vile, and immoral? When I heard that lyric, I didn't think he was promoting incest, I thought he was condemning it after having been sexually assaulted by his sister. Right after he says "Incest is everything it's said to be," he goes on to sing:

"Oh sister - don't put me on the street again
Oh sister - I just wanna be your friend

I was only 16 and only half a man
My sister didn't give a goddamn
She only wanted 2 turn me out
She'd take a whip 2 me until I shout
Oh motherfucker, she's a motherfucker, can't U understand?"

I think the lyric would be irresponsible had Prince said, "Incest is not everything it is said to be." But because it's known as a horrific thing, he's essentially agreeing with this widely accepted opinion of it in light of his experiences with his "Sister." And because he calls her a motherfucker, he obviously doesn't enjoy being whipped by her.
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Reply #91 posted 09/16/04 3:54pm

xenevra6

that on i wanna melt with you 'Look, there's a river of blood.
i know it had been said before. i don't like that letter cuz he seems so proud on that fact, like "eh, look what a man i am".moreover, like a woman i think there are things that there wouln't be remenbered biggrin
i don't like bambi's lyrics much, even when it's one of my fav songs, but that of "it's better with a man"
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Reply #92 posted 09/16/04 4:03pm

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I don't know how anyone can fully read through this thread and not have their head spin. But I'll add my two cents. During the song Rainbow Children from the ONA Box, he makes a comment relevent to his JW beliefs that dead blood kills interferons. From the little I know, JW don't accept blood transfusions and barely accept organ transplants, so I was quite surprised from Prince to throw out this little diatribe. Prince, you ARE A MUSICIAN, not a DOCTOR, so SHUT UP!!!!
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Reply #93 posted 09/17/04 12:42am

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PurpleCharm said:

lmas said:



considering the way most 18 & over girls look these days and the fact that Prince still has a lot of young girls at his concerts, can U blame him. I mean did you ever get a look at Mayte? She was f-cking awesome. even at 16(?) years old. No offense but if you had to choose between Jessica Simpson and Madonna in bed who would U choose? Me? Jessie all the way for a lot of reasons, but mostly because she's super fine
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Jessica Simpson is a grown woman. I am talking about a full grown man lusting after teenaged virgin girls. I have an issue with that. In America, it is considered statutory rape for an adult male to have sex with a girl under 18.



It's illegal, but it's very much promoted by pop culture. Just look at R. Kelly: after he was accused, his popularity actually went up.
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Reply #94 posted 09/17/04 2:24am

AsianBomb777

meow85 said:

PurpleCharm said:


Jessica Simpson is a grown woman. I am talking about a full grown man lusting after teenaged virgin girls. I have an issue with that. In America, it is considered statutory rape for an adult male to have sex with a girl under 18.



It's illegal, but it's very much promoted by pop culture. Just look at R. Kelly: after he was accused, his popularity actually went up.


Age of consent actually varies from state-to-state.

I think it'w wierd though whether it's legal or not.
How could 16 year old hoochie momma like Mayte be an intellectual equal to a 33 year old man? She can't--it's impossible. She can be a mature 16 year old for her age, I will concede; however, this does not make it anymore appropriate a matchup. It's plain grose.
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Reply #95 posted 09/17/04 6:18am

niallmcg

sinaplenty said:[quote]on a lighter note, it's gotta be:

"Tony, you were excellent " from Jughead.
[quote]

been highly entertained by this thread but i believe we have a winner!!!!! LOL
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Reply #96 posted 09/17/04 7:48am

Raine

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muirdo said:

Sly said:

I was never fond of the lyrics from 'Race'.

I know that he means well and all, but...


"I dont wanna know (I don't wanna know)
Why those before us hated each other

I'd rather believe they never did
I'd rather believe (I'd rather, I'd rather believe)
That there's hope 4 a kid".



i have been thinking about that verse lately
it seemed to me that he was brushing what had happened under the carpet
and to maybe try to forgive and forget.But it seems now as though he brings things like that up quite abit now,references in Dear Mr Man,When will we be paid,family name.
Which leads me to the lyric that i find completely unnesecary "Holocaust aside,many lived and died but when all truth is told,would you rather be dead or be sold"Now im not saying that slavery wasnt as bad as millions of Jews being killed but to even try and compare the two doesnt seem too fair.

i agree the way he has phrased it makes it sound like if he had the choice he would choose to die in the camps disbelief why compare them ? they were both terrible and should never have happened
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Reply #97 posted 09/17/04 2:00pm

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I don't think anyone here really thinks he did his sister.

He could be referring to an African American "sister," and the line about incest is just wordplay on the other meaning of the word.

I always hated "yeh do that baby, just like a dog" but I always thought that was meant to be about the "evil" Prince who is defeated in "7." In the background of I Wanna Melt With U you can hear the countdown of "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7" as if that song is about those evils. Also "I got 7 hours baby."

Another: "That's for me that's who that one's for!" That whole part is a bit iffy.
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Reply #98 posted 09/17/04 5:43pm

meow85

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andyman91 said:[quote]


I always hated "yeh do that baby, just like a dog" but I always thought that was meant to be about the "evil" Prince who is defeated in "7." [/quote



Funny, I always thought it was about fuckin doggie style.





But what do I know? shrug
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Reply #99 posted 09/17/04 9:05pm

lmas

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AsianBomb777 said:

meow85 said:




It's illegal, but it's very much promoted by pop culture. Just look at R. Kelly: after he was accused, his popularity actually went up.


Age of consent actually varies from state-to-state.

I think it'w wierd though whether it's legal or not.
How could 16 year old hoochie momma like Mayte be an intellectual equal to a 33 year old man? She can't--it's impossible. She can be a mature 16 year old for her age, I will concede; however, this does not make it anymore appropriate a matchup. It's plain grose.



Different times U know? My grandmother was married with 1 child by the time she was 15. That was in 1915 (born 1900). Perhaps the time will come when a 16 year old girl will be able to make up her own mind without her parents consent. I find it interesting that a 16 year old girl can have intercourse with a 18 year old boy but not a 33 year old man, who will probably treat her better and be more sensitive to her endeavor in the beginnings of sex.
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Reply #100 posted 09/17/04 10:03pm

PurpleCharm

AsianBomb777 said:

meow85 said:




It's illegal, but it's very much promoted by pop culture. Just look at R. Kelly: after he was accused, his popularity actually went up.


Age of consent actually varies from state-to-state.

I think it'w wierd though whether it's legal or not.
How could 16 year old hoochie momma like Mayte be an intellectual equal to a 33 year old man? She can't--it's impossible. She can be a mature 16 year old for her age, I will concede; however, this does not make it anymore appropriate a matchup. It's plain grose.

thumbs up!
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Reply #101 posted 09/17/04 10:06pm

PurpleCharm

lmas said:

AsianBomb777 said:



Age of consent actually varies from state-to-state.

I think it'w wierd though whether it's legal or not.
How could 16 year old hoochie momma like Mayte be an intellectual equal to a 33 year old man? She can't--it's impossible. She can be a mature 16 year old for her age, I will concede; however, this does not make it anymore appropriate a matchup. It's plain grose.



Different times U know? My grandmother was married with 1 child by the time she was 15. That was in 1915 (born 1900). Perhaps the time will come when a 16 year old girl will be able to make up her own mind without her parents consent. I find it interesting that a 16 year old girl can have intercourse with a 18 year old boy but not a 33 year old man, who will probably treat her better and be more sensitive to her endeavor in the beginnings of sex.

How old was your granddad?
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Reply #102 posted 09/18/04 6:47am

TheBoostress

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hmmm didnt he write a song about fucking his own flesh and blood???? wink

id rather be a non voter than a sibling fucker!!!


yeah he did write that song sister, and i used to try to defend it because i know he's such a story teller....one who likes to shock...which he did but i don't think he was ready for some of the admirers!

however, that was 20+ years ago, he never mentions it, no one else mentions it and being a nonvoter could very well indeed fock your sibling.

but the mr. man lyric is very troubling to me because it means that our passionate concerned Prince doesn't give a hoot either. and too many people have laid it on the line so I could vote. now if the rest of the country would vote instead of letting 1/2 of the people decide. And if yall would vote in every single election cuz you are paying for salaries, etc., whether you like it or not, via local, state and sales taxes.

So, contrary to the song mr. man...you are voting either way.
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Reply #103 posted 09/18/04 7:31am

AsianBomb777

lmas said:

AsianBomb777 said:



Age of consent actually varies from state-to-state.

I think it'w wierd though whether it's legal or not.
How could 16 year old hoochie momma like Mayte be an intellectual equal to a 33 year old man? She can't--it's impossible. She can be a mature 16 year old for her age, I will concede; however, this does not make it anymore appropriate a matchup. It's plain grose.



Different times U know? My grandmother was married with 1 child by the time she was 15. That was in 1915 (born 1900). Perhaps the time will come when a 16 year old girl will be able to make up her own mind without her parents consent. I find it interesting that a 16 year old girl can have intercourse with a 18 year old boy but not a 33 year old man, who will probably treat her better and be more sensitive to her endeavor in the beginnings of sex.



THis is not about whether I think a 16 year old girl has the "Right" to go into a consetual relationship. At 16, I was having sex.

This is about why a 33 year old man would find a 16 year old girl an appropriate partner for him. They exist in two different universes and should have two differnent outlooks on life. Could I even dream of carring on a real relationship with a 16 year old? No. There's a wolrd of different between 16 and 33, and say 40 and 55. It makes a difference.
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Reply #104 posted 09/18/04 10:47pm

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meow85 said:[quote]

andyman91 said:




I always hated "yeh do that baby, just like a dog" but I always thought that was meant to be about the "evil" Prince who is defeated in "7." [/quote



Funny, I always thought it was about fuckin doggie style.





But what do I know? shrug


Hah! of course it's about doing it doggie style, but I believe the somewhat tasteless sentiment (by the way, nothing wrong with doing it that way, just the words he uses are ugly) is meant to be considered negative, an attitude that he believes will be washed away in the river of blood.
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Reply #105 posted 09/18/04 10:57pm

Hotlegs

lezama said:

purplecloud said:

I CAN ARGUE WITH THE NOT EVERY ONE SHOULD VOTE
EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD VOTE IN EVERY PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
IT SHOULD BE TOUGHT AT SCHOOL THAT IT IS YOUR RESPONSABLITY
AS AN AMERICAN TO GET AS MUCH INFO ON EACH CANIDENT AND VOTE
IT IS UNAMERICAN NOTE TO VOTE


that's retarded. in most countries when large portions of the population don't vote its because they either don't have faith in the democratic party system itself or they don't have faith in the parties. to say its unamerican not to vote is like trying to blackmail citizens into believing in people who are supposed to be represented *them*. you've got it backwards. its unamerican for political parties and politicians to not adequately represent their constituents and instead try to manipulate them into believing that they're acting in their favor when actually they're just trying to fatten their pockets. prince's message is basically that he and lots of people in the US believe that that archaic two party system don't do it for them. perhaps its time for the US to enter the 21st century and electoral reform. rolleyes



wave I agree with you 100%. Again, I can't empahsize it enough. People should check out the Illumanati Post in the Religion and Politics section.
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Reply #106 posted 09/18/04 11:04pm

Hotlegs

AsianBomb777 said:

meow85 said:




It's illegal, but it's very much promoted by pop culture. Just look at R. Kelly: after he was accused, his popularity actually went up.


Age of consent actually varies from state-to-state.

I think it'w wierd though whether it's legal or not.
How could 16 year old hoochie momma like Mayte be an intellectual equal to a 33 year old man? She can't--it's impossible. She can be a mature 16 year old for her age, I will concede; however, this does not make it anymore appropriate a matchup. It's plain grose.



hmmm R-Kelly could probably give you the answer to that one. Oops, I forgot that he likes his girls to be in their early teens when he pees on them. lol
I guess that it is a notch on some men's pimp belt when they are able to snag jailbait pussy.
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Reply #107 posted 09/18/04 11:09pm

tackam

His most irresponsible lyric is:

"Ain't no room to disagree."

For real. neutral
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Reply #108 posted 09/20/04 2:34am

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Mzflash

when the birth control fails and you have "breatkthrough" ovulation, pregnancy occurs. I have not seen any proof that the pill goes on and stops a zygote from implanting or starves a zygote... the pill prevents conception.
there are some errors, those error result in pg unless the woman has a surgical procedure to remove the zygote/fetus.

the action of the ingredients in birth control pills are estrogen and progesterone, which prevents conception by preventing ovulation.

I just got online and check Micromedex, a professional medical source for information on prescription medication. If you have links posted by drug manufacturers, governmental studies ect. please post them so that I, as a medical professional can be enlightened.
I do not have an agenda, just want the truth. I am sure you feel the same way. wink
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Reply #109 posted 09/20/04 2:38am

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JasmineFire said:

this article is filled with misinformation. can you give me the source of it? if the birth control pill fails and a woman does end up ovulating, then she would become pregnant and the pill would not be able to stop it. she would just be pregnant unless she did something about it. whether or not life begins at conception is a matter of opinion and this thread is not the place to discuss it.

many times, an egg will be penetrated by a sperm but the zygote will not implant into the wall of the uterus for whatever reason. this can happen to a woman whether she's on birth control or not. some zygotes that are formed are not genetically viable and therefore never become fetuses.

there is nothing in the hippocratic oath that says a doctor will never perform an abortion. many abortions are performed to save a woman's life because she and the fetus will die if the pregnancy carries on any longer. birth control an abortion are a large part of women's health and to deny a woman access to either is medicaly unethical and goes against the hippocratic oath.
plaese get your facts straight. this is just sad. i realize that you are one of those people who does not believe in a woman's right to choose or to be sexually active but i can't let misinformation like this go unchecked. it's a damn shame.


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Reply #110 posted 09/20/04 2:56am

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1sexymf said:

Insanecabbage said:

I agree Funny. Although Eye Hate U is penned better, because its not so straight foward unlike Extra Loveable I think theres definitely the idea of rape in that song:
'Close your eyes
I'm gonna cover your ass with this sheet
And I want U 2 pump your hips like U used 2
And, baby, U better stay on the beat
Did U do 2 your other man the same things that U did 2 me?
Right now I hate U so much I wanna make love until U see
That it's killin' me, baby, 2 be without U
Cuz all I ever wanted 2 do was 2 be with U ... ow!'
I mean from that it seems to me that he doesn't care whether she wants him to do that or not. It seems like love in desperation taken to the extreme and certainly when i think about it, i think that Eye Hate U certainly has its dark coating.



That particular part of that song seems to me like a betrayed man desperate to make someone love him back, or go back to the way things used to be with a lover. The line before that is "I want it 2 be so good she falls back in love with me." I don't really see it as a statment of rape. music


yeah well what about nod your head if you hear me. that sounds like the woman is gagged, and presumably bound. I think it the previous reply on target, desperate love gone to extremes.
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Reply #111 posted 09/20/04 3:57am

mzflash

prodigalfan said:

Mzflash

when the birth control fails and you have "breatkthrough" ovulation, pregnancy occurs. I have not seen any proof that the pill goes on and stops a zygote from implanting or starves a zygote... the pill prevents conception.
there are some errors, those error result in pg unless the woman has a surgical procedure to remove the zygote/fetus.

the action of the ingredients in birth control pills are estrogen and progesterone, which prevents conception by preventing ovulation.

I just got online and check Micromedex, a professional medical source for information on prescription medication. If you have links posted by drug manufacturers, governmental studies ect. please post them so that I, as a medical professional can be enlightened.
I do not have an agenda, just want the truth. I am sure you feel the same way. wink
[Edited 9/20/04 3:02am]


Yes Prodigalfan, I do want the truth. Here's an article from the Prevention Magazine.
http://www.prevention.com...-P,00.html
It's taken me many years to discover what is actually happening with birth control pills. Many people do not want to know the truth. It is much easier to 'feel good' than it is to be held responsible and prepare to care for another life.
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Reply #112 posted 09/20/04 4:05am

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This thread is comedy lol
heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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Reply #113 posted 09/20/04 8:34am

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I don't think any of Prince's lyrics can be seen as irresponsable, people have their own minds. People often make scapegoats out of artists and their work in an attempt to displace the blame from themselves.
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Reply #114 posted 09/20/04 9:01am

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Moonwalkbjrain said:

i dunno if this line is irresponsible but it trips me ou whenever i hear it....in extra loveable...the i'm on the verge of rape line.

I've always thought this. There are good reasons why some of his songs remain unreleased.
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Reply #115 posted 09/20/04 9:04am

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TheDeacon said:

bluelight said:

Do I believe in God? Do I believe in me?


I have never understood this... eek



He's saying this is one of the "things people say"(Controversy). Does he believe in God and Does he believe in himself.


DUH!!!!!


Yes exactly...at the time, the press would ask him all kinds of things...is he black or white is he straight or gay...

and were still asking those questions...

Christian Zombie Vampires

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Reply #116 posted 09/20/04 12:27pm

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scandaloussex said:

"Have u ever wanted 2 play with some1 so much u'd take any1 boy or girl?" confused

Ahhh....I always think that is one of the hottest things he says! I absolutely LOVE the sentiment, he's just being REALLY ...willing and able... batting eyes
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Reply #117 posted 09/20/04 12:54pm

Hotlegs

prodigalfan said:

JasmineFire said:

this article is filled with misinformation. can you give me the source of it? if the birth control pill fails and a woman does end up ovulating, then she would become pregnant and the pill would not be able to stop it. she would just be pregnant unless she did something about it. whether or not life begins at conception is a matter of opinion and this thread is not the place to discuss it.

many times, an egg will be penetrated by a sperm but the zygote will not implant into the wall of the uterus for whatever reason. this can happen to a woman whether she's on birth control or not. some zygotes that are formed are not genetically viable and therefore never become fetuses.

there is nothing in the hippocratic oath that says a doctor will never perform an abortion. many abortions are performed to save a woman's life because she and the fetus will die if the pregnancy carries on any longer. birth control an abortion are a large part of women's health and to deny a woman access to either is medicaly unethical and goes against the hippocratic oath.
plaese get your facts straight. this is just sad. i realize that you are one of those people who does not believe in a woman's right to choose or to be sexually active but i can't let misinformation like this go unchecked. it's a damn shame.


nod
I have your back on this one! I think there is some religious right propaganding. Please please post some source not published by some Christian right wing group.


Agreed. I also have you back.
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Reply #118 posted 09/22/04 2:16am

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mzflash said:

prodigalfan said:

Mzflash

when the birth control fails and you have "breatkthrough" ovulation, pregnancy occurs. I have not seen any proof that the pill goes on and stops a zygote from implanting or starves a zygote... the pill prevents conception.
there are some errors, those error result in pg unless the woman has a surgical procedure to remove the zygote/fetus.

the action of the ingredients in birth control pills are estrogen and progesterone, which prevents conception by preventing ovulation.

I just got online and check Micromedex, a professional medical source for information on prescription medication. If you have links posted by drug manufacturers, governmental studies ect. please post them so that I, as a medical professional can be enlightened.
I do not have an agenda, just want the truth. I am sure you feel the same way. wink
[Edited 9/20/04 3:02am]


Yes Prodigalfan, I do want the truth. Here's an article from the Prevention Magazine.
http://www.prevention.com...-P,00.html
It's taken me many years to discover what is actually happening with birth control pills. Many people do not want to know the truth. It is much easier to 'feel good' than it is to be held responsible and prepare to care for another life.


confuse
err, I meant a medical journal, medical books, medical SOMETHING. You are making medical claims and you are using a layperson's Prevention magazine to back it up??
What about from the American Medical association or the Amercian obstetrician and Gynecology association.
Like I said, I am medical professional looking to be enlightened, educated etc... Prevention magazine doesn't cut it.
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Reply #119 posted 09/22/04 2:54am

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How about Face Down?

Somebody once told him that he wouldn't take Prince through the ringer

As long as he uses protection, he should be okay. wink

Then there's the talk about ass kissing...
U been bamboozled, hoodwinked, took.
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