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Reply #60 posted 09/04/04 7:25am

Biah

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CherrieMoonKisses said:



"Stay out of the music industry, stay out of the system. Be revolutionary."



[b]That one sounds right ... but it's difficult to make music without the industry ... if you don't have the money to protect your music ppl will steal it.
A friend of mine was betrayed like that by a big media company ...
they took the SONG he wrote for a casting competition without taking HIM 2 perform it! And they didn't even tell him. So, one day he heard HIS song on TV, sung by another band! He wanted to sue the company, but he received a letter with the threat:
"If you want to ruin your life - go ahead, sue us" ... Tough, ain't it ?
eye "Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies -
tongue-tied and twisted, just an earthbound misfit, I"
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Reply #61 posted 09/04/04 12:43pm

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Biah said:

CherrieMoonKisses said:



"Stay out of the music industry, stay out of the system. Be revolutionary."



[b]That one sounds right ... but it's difficult to make music without the industry ... if you don't have the money to protect your music ppl will steal it.
A friend of mine was betrayed like that by a big media company ...
they took the SONG he wrote for a casting competition without taking HIM 2 perform it! And they didn't even tell him. So, one day he heard HIS song on TV, sung by another band! He wanted to sue the company, but he received a letter with the threat:
"If you want to ruin your life - go ahead, sue us" ... Tough, ain't it ?



I need to ask you, did your friend have his song copywrited? If he did and tey STILL threatened to ruin his life if he sued then I see no safegaurd in him being a part of the "industry". If he has no copywrite then I could possibly see him having a harder time but it just goes to show that if he can't even protect his work with a copywrite then there's something wrong. I have a few books that discuss this in detail. This one writer tried to sue the people behind "RENT" but realized she couldn't fight the machine and gave up. Another book, "Confessions of a Record Producer" explains how it's practically impossible to get compensation if a big star rips you off. So te best thing to do is record the song yourself and release it independently. If someone steals it at that time then you have your released recording as proof.
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Reply #62 posted 09/04/04 12:44pm

CynicKill

CherrieMoonKisses said:

CynicKill said:

If you want to make it big then you HAVE to join a major label, but not necessarily.

Dave Matthews was pretty darn successful before he signed to a major. Of course he blew up once he did that but they didn't NEED a major label to be successful. Ani DiFranco is another one who plays to big crowds everywhere she goes. Very successful. Independent just like DMB was.

Of course you won't play to 20,000 people in one setting but that has it's drawbacks sometimes. (Like not always being able to play to that many people because of audience fickleness). So if you have the talent sidestep the majors. Of course Prince wouldn't be where he is today without them but he fought hard to get where he is today. Do you want to fight THAT hard? I doubt Prince would even do it knowing what he knows today. Then again he has done stranger things.

I like your post.



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Reply #63 posted 09/04/04 3:07pm

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Biah said:

CherrieMoonKisses said:



"Stay out of the music industry, stay out of the system. Be revolutionary."



[b]That one sounds right ... but it's difficult to make music without the industry ... if you don't have the money to protect your music ppl will steal it.
A friend of mine was betrayed like that by a big media company ...
they took the SONG he wrote for a casting competition without taking HIM 2 perform it! And they didn't even tell him. So, one day he heard HIS song on TV, sung by another band! He wanted to sue the company, but he received a letter with the threat:
"If you want to ruin your life - go ahead, sue us" ... Tough, ain't it ?


omg That sux! sad
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Reply #64 posted 09/05/04 2:42am

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psychodelicide said:

Biah said:



That one sounds right ... but it's difficult to make music without the industry ... if you don't have the money to protect your music ppl will steal it.
A friend of mine was betrayed like that by a big media company ...
they took the SONG he wrote for a casting competition without taking HIM 2 perform it! And they didn't even tell him. So, one day he heard HIS song on TV, sung by another band! He wanted to sue the company, but he received a letter with the threat:
"If you want to ruin your life - go ahead, sue us" ... Tough, ain't it ?


omg That sux! sad

think out of the box , we are the iindustry!
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Reply #65 posted 09/05/04 6:50am

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its nice that after he's mad ehis successful career and butt loads of money he now feels confidant enough to tell others that they should stay away from the industry. rolleyes

prince, please...if you're reading this...just stop talking and keep doing your job.
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Reply #66 posted 09/05/04 7:36am

Abrazo

CherrieMoonKisses said:

Abrazo said:

Prince wouldn't be where he is now without signing with WB in 1978. And Prince is still part of the same music industry, still playing the game. Hell, he is his own executive with his own record company doing good business with one of the majors. But he advises others to stay out of it??

No, that doesn't make sense.

He knows the aspirations of young artists out of his own experience. And he knows artists still need companies to become publicly known and make money.

So, instead of saying "Stay out of the music industry, stay out of the system" I think he could better say something along the lines of: "Know how to play the game, if you don't want to get played. Else it's better - financilaly and spiritually - to stay out of the system".

Or he could actually come up with an alternative for aspiring artists out there.

One more thing, ownership of "songs": Prince says: "I'm a writer. Stephen King is a writer. Can I take a page out of his book and call it Prince's Shining? Can I take a scene out of a movie and call it my own?"

Prince owns his songs, he just doesn't own the sound recordings of his songs. Like a book and a movie, a song is the underlying work of a sound recording. Both are works and both are copyrighted. Copyrights can be contractually transferred by the owner to somebody else.

If you don't want to do that: don't sign the contract.

"They say the law helps the writers. I don't need help; I don't need your money. Let us steward our own music."

I bet this is about compulsory licenses again...


You've said what I intended to say only better! clapping

Then forgive me for asking, but do you know how to play the game?
You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security.
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Reply #67 posted 09/05/04 8:17am

Number23

CherrieMoonKisses said:

Another thing...Im all about spirtuality and everything but...


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Dear, with all due respect, I don't think you are. Sorry.
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Reply #68 posted 09/05/04 11:06am

CherrieMoonKis
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Number23 said:

CherrieMoonKisses said:

Another thing...Im all about spirtuality and everything but...


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Dear, with all due respect, I don't think you are. Sorry.

There wasnt any respect in that comment. You dont know me and just because I may not be spiritual enough for your standards over the computer, doesnt mean Im not spritual. Sorry but I have nothing to prove to you.
[Edited 9/5/04 11:18am]
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Reply #69 posted 09/05/04 11:07am

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Abrazo said:

CherrieMoonKisses said:



You've said what I intended to say only better! clapping

Then forgive me for asking, but do you know how to play the game?

I learn as I go through things, you cant honestly expect me to know everything from the get-go. No, if I claim that then I seriously have alot of impressive things to do which I know I havent reached to yet.
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Reply #70 posted 09/05/04 11:11am

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Lookit this article. Im upset that he's saying this since Im trying to be in the industry. It's hurtful, I understand he has been hurt by the industry but I dont understand why he would say this when getting in the industry (not particularly at this time) is all some people dream about. I love Prince, his music and stuff but this is really upsetting to me.

It's almost a cliche, but the truth hurts. Maybe what you should really do is what Prince is really telling you to do - don't get into this industry because you don't need this industry. You might not have millions of adoring fans for your preferred art form, and you may not even have a night club full of people. What Prince is trying to tell you is not to fall into the trap of thinking that you need to make it. If you're a true artist, you've already made it by virtue of recognizing that you're an artist. I could go on...

Ok, it's not so much as having millions of adoring fans that turns me on, it's gettign to perform music and entertain in different places. I just live for music and being in the industry is a goal. Im all about being independant but if I want to make an impact, I have to start off somewhere dont I? Im pretty sure at one point in P's life hde thought that he needed to make it. You can tell a person all you want but people are still going to do what they want to do. I'll keep in mind of the advise, but in the end, it's my life and I have to experience things myself. Im being revolutionary enough to follow my dreams.
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Reply #71 posted 09/05/04 11:37am

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I need to ask you, did your friend have his song copywrited? If he did and tey STILL threatened to ruin his life if he sued then I see no safegaurd in him being a part of the "industry". If he has no copywrite then I could possibly see him having a harder time but it just goes to show that if he can't even protect his work with a copywrite then there's something wrong. I have a few books that discuss this in detail. This one writer tried to sue the people behind "RENT" but realized she couldn't fight the machine and gave up. Another book, "Confessions of a Record Producer" explains how it's practically impossible to get compensation if a big star rips you off. So te best thing to do is record the song yourself and release it independently. If someone steals it at that time then you have your released recording as proof.


No, that WAS the problem. See, they were searching 4 a band with an own song 4 a TV show. And he didn't have a copyright on the song he played in the competition...I mean, who would expect THAT !!! And 4 an average person it's kinda hard to afford a copyright ... as hard as paying 4 lawyers good enough to really guarantee your rights. So ... he was screwed.
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Reply #72 posted 09/05/04 11:40am

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psychodelicide said:



omg That sux! sad


Yeah right, it does suck sigh
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tongue-tied and twisted, just an earthbound misfit, I"
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Reply #73 posted 09/05/04 11:45am

Number23

CherrieMoonKisses said:

Number23 said:



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Dear, with all due respect, I don't think you are. Sorry.

There wasnt any respect in that comment. You dont know me and just because I may not be spiritual enough for your standards over the computer, doesnt mean Im not spritual. Sorry but I have nothing to prove to you.


Mmm...you're right. It was the flippancy of your sentence construction which made me so cruel. I'm sure you're so close to the source that you've seen Jesus' penis in the shower rooms of Heaven.

wink
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Reply #74 posted 09/05/04 11:52am

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CherrieMoonKisses said:

Abrazo said:


Then forgive me for asking, but do you know how to play the game?

I learn as I go through things, you cant honestly expect me to know everything from the get-go. No, if I claim that then I seriously have alot of impressive things to do which I know I havent reached to yet.

I don't expect you to. But I would urge you to learn as much as fast as you can. That means investing money, time and energy in things you may not like very much.
You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security.
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Reply #75 posted 09/05/04 12:30pm

CynicKill

Biah said:

CynicKill said:




I need to ask you, did your friend have his song copywrited? If he did and tey STILL threatened to ruin his life if he sued then I see no safegaurd in him being a part of the "industry". If he has no copywrite then I could possibly see him having a harder time but it just goes to show that if he can't even protect his work with a copywrite then there's something wrong. I have a few books that discuss this in detail. This one writer tried to sue the people behind "RENT" but realized she couldn't fight the machine and gave up. Another book, "Confessions of a Record Producer" explains how it's practically impossible to get compensation if a big star rips you off. So te best thing to do is record the song yourself and release it independently. If someone steals it at that time then you have your released recording as proof.


No, that WAS the problem. See, they were searching 4 a band with an own song 4 a TV show. And he didn't have a copyright on the song he played in the competition...I mean, who would expect THAT !!! And 4 an average person it's kinda hard to afford a copyright ... as hard as paying 4 lawyers good enough to really guarantee your rights. So ... he was screwed.



Unfortunately it would've been great if your friend understood that copywrites are pretty inexpensive. You can get 6 of your songs copywrited for just 20.00, and you don't even have to have them written you can just send a tape with the proper paperwork. So he could've just sent in the song he was going to perform with 5 other songs of his. The good news is that he only got ripped off for one song. It could've been more. It won't happen again which is a good learning experience. And he can always rest in the fact that this company HAD to steal a song and they didn't have the talent or decency to create their own song or hire someone to do it.
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Reply #76 posted 09/05/04 1:27pm

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Prince is playing the game, but he's changed the rules. Look at how he worked the Billboard system with the "Musicology" giveaways. And, the money he's making off his deal with Columbia is unheard of in the business. That's because most artists sell their souls to these labels, and they don't get jack. Prince has learned the hard way, and now I think he's just warning people to take control of their lives and their art, and not give their livelihoods away to these greedy-ass labels.

The Backstreet Boys only made $12,000 a year each when they were starting out, so it's definitely not an easy industry in which you can make a good salary. They probably could have worked at freaking McDonald's and made more than that. I don't know how things with their label, Jive, have worked out since their lawsuit. I know they're still recording with them, but I have a feeling it's going to be a "Chaos and Disorder"-type situation...one more album and they cut out. I'll support that since Jive has treated them like crap for a while. As for TLC, they made less than six figures between the three of them once lawyers, stylists, photographers and the like got their cut.

I think the lesson in that is, don't join a group, lol.

But really, in the end, you gotta love music to deal with the industry red tape. I think that's why Prince has stuck it out as long as he has.
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Reply #77 posted 09/05/04 1:52pm

TheRealFiness

lol what a double talkin' shrimp lol whats all this "follow me" shit... Negro please.. the only thing following u is larry graham and his Vodka induced ass. with his sock wavin psycho tramp of a wife...
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Reply #78 posted 09/05/04 5:13pm

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Number23 said:

CherrieMoonKisses said:


There wasnt any respect in that comment. You dont know me and just because I may not be spiritual enough for your standards over the computer, doesnt mean Im not spritual. Sorry but I have nothing to prove to you.


Mmm...you're right. It was the flippancy of your sentence construction which made me so cruel. I'm sure you're so close to the source that you've seen Jesus' penis in the shower rooms of Heaven.

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[Edited 9/5/04 11:46am]

neutral That was yet again an unnecessary remark.
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Reply #79 posted 09/05/04 5:15pm

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Abrazo said:

CherrieMoonKisses said:


I learn as I go through things, you cant honestly expect me to know everything from the get-go. No, if I claim that then I seriously have alot of impressive things to do which I know I havent reached to yet.

I don't expect you to. But I would urge you to learn as much as fast as you can. That means investing money, time and energy in things you may not like very much.

That goes without saying.
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Reply #80 posted 09/06/04 12:36pm

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CherrieMoonKisses said:

http://www.majic105.com/s...feed_id=30

Prince Advises Young People to Stay Away From Music Business

Prince has some strong advice for fans hoping to follow in his footsteps - stay out of the music industry and embark on a more spiritual life instead.

The "Purple Rain" rocker, who became a Jehovah's Witness four years ago, now has control of all of his own music following a much-publicized battle with Warner Brothers, and advises young aspiring musicians to steer clear of the "system."

He says, "Stay out of the music industry, stay out of the system. Be revolutionary."

"Some of these young kids say they want to follow me. Well, if you do, then get your spiritual life together if you want your relationships to go right, and it will happen."

He also advises musicians to strive for the musical independence that he has now achieved so they can own their own songs.

He adds, "I'm a writer. Stephen King is a writer. Can I take a page out of his book and call it Prince's Shining? Can I take a scene out of a movie and call it my own?"

"They say the law helps the writers. I don't need help; I don't need your money. Let us steward our own music."


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Lookit this article. Im upset that he's saying this since Im trying to be in the industry. It's hurtful, I understand he has been hurt by the industry but I dont understand why he would say this when getting in the industry (not particularly at this time) is all some people dream about. I love Prince, his music and stuff but this is really upsetting to me.
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Don't be upset, or take this as hurtful. Prince is clearly stating get your spirtual life together BEFORE you venture in to this industry. It's a rough industry, and believe me those in a higher position will screw you and tattoo you while you are sleeping. Do your thing, and do it good. Prince did not have his spiritual life in order from the start, he does now, and look at him - he is still as awesome if not BETTER than before God smacked him in the heart.

Go for what you know honey, if you know music and that's what you want to do - get on, get it done. There is room for REAL musicians who have it together and aren't all fucked up on dope and booze. biggrin
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Reply #81 posted 09/06/04 12:41pm

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Redayh said:

Sly said:




Stanley Kubrick's The Shining.



You lost me.


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I think they're letting you know which version of the movie they prefer. We all know that Stephen King WROTE the book - as does Prince, I'm sure.

So - Prince doesn't need our money - hum, wonder if he'll be refunding all the money we spent on tickets to his Musicology tour or anything else for that matter ... ow wee - I'm going to NPG and letting 'em all know he don't need our money - maybe they'll hook us up with some free stuff. Hahhahahaha
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Reply #82 posted 09/06/04 12:44pm

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rudedog said:[quote], its a doggie-dog business and in the long run you have to fight to get what you really deserve, either that or you can just take what they give you and be done with it like most artists quote]

Dog EAT dog honey ... not to be rude, just clarifying the phrase
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Reply #83 posted 09/06/04 12:46pm

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CherrieMoonKisses said:

jeanadams1965 said:

Ya'll...I believe what he is saying is this:

All he is saying is get your soul in order first BEFORE you get into the business!!!


Noooo...he didnt say that. he said to stay away from the industry. neutral


Cherrie - READ the article again - you totally missed the key ingredient to what Prince said and didn't say.

After you read it again I think you'll see that Prince clearly said to get your spiritual life in order first. If you missed that then you missed it all.
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Reply #84 posted 09/06/04 1:48pm

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Sometimes I wish Prince would shut his trap on certain issues.

If it wasn't for the "Biz", he wouldn't be a multi-millionaire, rich beyond most people's widlest dreams, doing a job he loves to do, leaving a legacy on popular culture, and not having to worry ever about many of the financial and personal issues millions of people around in the World have to worry about.

Let's not forget, Prince has been a recording artist since leaving High School, he has never experienced an adult life, as a regular, working class person.
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Reply #85 posted 09/06/04 5:51pm

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HumbleOne said:

CherrieMoonKisses said:



Noooo...he didnt say that. he said to stay away from the industry. neutral


Cherrie - READ the article again - you totally missed the key ingredient to what Prince said and didn't say.

After you read it again I think you'll see that Prince clearly said to get your spiritual life in order first. If you missed that then you missed it all.

I got it. Thanx anyway smile
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Reply #86 posted 09/06/04 11:35pm

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Ifeel prince is saying 2 stay away from the music/recording corporations i.e. warner etc...& put out ur music independently like he is/has. To not sign over ur catalog 2 the beast. To own ur own children....Prince believes in music & loves music, (real music) & therefore wouldnt steer newbies away from a creativity he dearly loves, yet he wants 2 steer them in the right direction. ANOTHER misconception from the media who never did nor will understand his language.
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Reply #87 posted 09/07/04 11:19am

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amyhr said:

This is his ADVISE to others, not a COMMAND which you are REQUIRED to do. He's speaking to you from experience, telling you what he's learned, and giving you advise based on that. There is no need to feel threatened or offended when someone offers advise. Just listen to it, think about it, and follow it or not...


i agree. the "i don't need your money" part was kinda silly, and the spirituality-as-career-counselor part is kind of pie-in-the-sky (easy to say when you're on top of your game, really, isn't it?) but i DO believe there's an alternate path to success as an artist - especially NOW - than having to get on your knees for the major labels. it's an alternate reality and it ain't always pretty or glamorous, but that path is certainly out there for those who wanna take it.

Prince is a proven master of COn-tradiction. He states in an earlier interview that an artist should get the lion's share of their master recordings like David Bowie! Now he is saying that he don't need the money?!?Also he is charging $143 dollars for a box set of the Hawaii Concert photo book, and Controversy single song CD.(I rest my case.)
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Reply #88 posted 09/07/04 11:31am

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I AGREE.

if everyone stayed away from the music industry the control would be back in the musician's hand.

If Ani Defranco can do it. everyone can. if you can't then you don't really WANT it.

I truelly believe that the music industry is for those musician's that crave fame and stardome as well as money. Because that's the only thing they can provide for you that you can't provide for yourself.

I wish everyone would go Independent.
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Reply #89 posted 09/08/04 4:35am

Abrazo

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I AGREE.

if everyone stayed away from the music industry the control would be back in the musician's hand.

And what could they do with that "control" then?

If Ani Defranco can do it. everyone can.


Ani is one in a million. There are very few people who will be able to work as hard as she has.

if you can't then you don't really WANT it.


Ahem, who are YOU to say that?


I truelly believe that the music industry is for those musician's that crave fame and stardome as well as money.


erm... like prince and all the other fantastic artists out there??

I wish everyone would go Independent.

And then what?
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