Hi,
Firstly, i cant believe i am about to start a thread regarding the comparison of a Prince and Michael jackson track. These things have a tendancy to get messy, don't they? But wait, this is not one of your average 'Who's the best' question, guaranteed to make the bigesst fanatic bust a blood vessel.

No, my friends, My question is this

Was Michael jackson's track 'Dirty Diana' a response, a homage, a rip-off or influenced by Prince's 'Darling Nikki'? Perhaps you think it is'nt any of these things, thats cool with me!

I just always regarded it as Michael Jacksons attempt at at replicating Princes song, albeit a less explicit take. To me, the theme, the guitar run at the end of the track all have shades of Darling Nikki. Perhaps the difference is on the stance of the male in the song. Prince rattles that woman senseless. However, is'nt the Michael jacksons trying to escape the sex crazed woman?



NOTE: Remember that we are not comparing these tracks on the basis which is better, folks.

Mods If this one starts gettin outta hand then please shut this one down please, coz prince mj fights on here do my head in!

...all I know is...

hearing you mention "Dirty Diana" just made me giggle!

Keith/Kacey

Are you kidding me???

Michael Jackson has been trying to "replicate" Prince's career, ever since Purple Rain made him a world-wide superstar.

1. Lightening his skin, but went too many shades lighter than Prince.
2. Growing out his hair, straightening it like Prince's in Grafitti Bridge
3. Naming his kids Prince Jr.????? WTF????? His name's not Prince... how can his kids be Jr's???

If Michael would've stayed true to himself, his career wouldn't be in the toilet. His goal to be as cool as Prince has backfired tremendously. I think he has this weird fascination to be Prince.

Instead of leaving a great musical legacy, he will always be known as the man who might have, or might not have, molested little boys.

Poor guy.

I tried. Please shut this down.

When I was a little girl and did not know any better, I used to love Michael Jackson, but then as I got older I became more analytical; I started asking myself, "What is it that Michael Jackson does? Nothing really. He isn't the best singer. He can't play instruments. He doesn't write his songs."

He wishes he were PRINCE!

All he can do is stand next to someone else playing the guitar and bob his head along and act like a "rock star."

First, you shouldn't have started your post "Firstly." (Just kidding, now someone is going to pick on me).

I agree, I think MJ has a weird obsession with Prince and has nowhere near the level of talent. Yes, MJ wants to beat the women off...'nuff said. (Darling Nikki is far superior.)

Naming his kids Prince Jr.????? WTF????? His name's not Prince... how can his kids be Jr's???

I am not defending Mike, but Prince was his grandfather's name. He died not to long ago. It's been proven.

Where the hell are you people coming from? MJ doesn't copy Prince at all, and doesn't want to be Prince. And he named his kids Prince Michael, not Prince.

LovesexyIsThe1 said:

Well, actually, your #2 and #3 are wrong. Michael began to grow his hair out in 1986 and began to wear it long during the "Bad" era in 1987, whereas Prince grew his out during "Lovesexy," which was in 1988. And I believe MJ named his sons "Prince" because it has to do with royalty, not our Prince. MJ is the "King," so his sons are Prince I and Prince II.

howcomeudontcallme said:

Right, to, uh, answer your question I acually think it is 'none of the above' I don't think this song is an example of 'Mike trying to do Prince.' Now I'm not saying that Michael Jackson has not been influenced by Prince, Prince's vast number of releases in the 80s must have influenced a lot of people, but I actually think that MJ is going for a rock audience (by which I mean hard rock fans being tempted to a more soulful flavour) with this song and the riff etc.

Hell, but what do I know? Maybe I should just say 'MJ ripped off Prince from the start - he is a fool!'

Kacey725 said:

Ditto. There is no comparison. Why people have to keep starting shit? MJ and P are in a different place musically. They are both genius in there own right.

As for the songs, they are slighty different. In P's song, the girl is groupe that likes to masterbate with magazines.

howcomeudontcallme said:

uh oh u said da bad word! sike nah but uhh i don't think so..it never occured to me really until people started bringin it up.. but naah not 2 me.



co sign...i think there should be a ban on michael jackson threads becuz its always gonna turn into this huge bull shitty thing.

WaterInYourBath said:

Oh... I beg to differ.

Actually you're wrong. Michael may have grown his hair long in '87, but if you go back and look at photos... it was no where near straight. Go back and re-read my #2... I said Michael started straightening his hair after Prince did it in Grafitti Bridge.

And last I heard Michael was American.... there's no such thing as royalty here.

Wait, there is one exception. The one and only true king of rock-n-roll, Elvis Presley.

LaughinAtYall said:

I sincerely doubt this... I've never seen proof. Even if it was true, Michael's name would have to be Prince, in order for his kid's to be Jr's.

Didn't we just have a thread like this
that the Mods just closed because it got hectic

people Grow up

Luv4oneanotha said:

Yes, close these threads immediately.

All Michael Jackson posts should be deleted. I don't go to MJ forums and rub Prince in their face.

nothing against you, howcome... i vote that all references to Mijac be banned from Prince.org -- i've never ever ever ever! understood any comparisons between the two.

Why not Lenny or TTD? Oh yeah, they're not as "popular" -- whatever.
[Edited 9/1/04 13:16pm]

Whay are prince fans so obsessed w/th dissin MJ! I like MJ! He's an incretable singer/song writter/dancer. & I don't know who said MJ dosen't write his own songs, but thats a shame cause they're lieing 2 their face! & Michael's son is named Prince b/c his grandfather & Greatgrandfather was named prince! It runs in the family! He did not make his skin lighter, I don't care wut you think! & MJ didn't straighten his hair out till the late 90's & early 00's. & he's not a child moluster, of you would read the facts instead of reading garbage, & most of the garbage U see on the news u'd know that.

& about MJ's "Dirty Diana", & prince's "Darling Nikki": That is 2 TOTTALLY diffrent stories!! Prince has sex, & wants sex with the girl who's a stranger in the lobby. Michael is talking about groupies! Anywaz, thats my 2 cents....

Dirty Diana was a backhanded homage to Prince. Since allegations of his "homosexuality", MJ's videos started becoming more mature and butch--even though his albums did not reflect that.

One of the things that irritated MJ was that dispite Prince obviously being a big sissy, he possessed sex appeal and was always rumored to have defiled some poor innocent woman, while MJ was practically being accused of being a nuetered puppy.

Billy Jean was no longer convincable, and Dirty Diana was the answer--It was influenced by Darlin Nikkie in my opinion (which could not be played in most radios), but with the bonus that it was PG-13 enough to be on radio. That was from the "bad" album and even that stupid album's other tracks tried to "prove" his hetero-ness. They even touted how one of the videos had his first on-screen kiss (like this was some major step towards adult legitamacy for a 30 year old man).

But ultimately Dirty Diana failed to convince as the major difference between it and the Prince song is that the Prince song was about a pin-up girl in a magazine, while Dirty Diana was just MJ's code for Macully Culkum.

LovesexyIsThe1 said:

Hmmm...well I totally disagree with you about the whole "King" thing. If Michael is just an "American," than so is Elvis. It is a contradiction to say that Elvis can be a "true" king, and MJ cannot. How can there be an "exception" when "there's no such thing as royalty here?" Michael has worked just as hard as Elvis did. But hey, these are all just opinions right?

Jacko wants to be Prince period. Think about it. Ok, I'm gonna go into my long tirade that I always go into (first time on here) about this issue, Jackson experienced the big MTV racial segregation of the early 80's, yet Prince's videos were played. That's why Jackson started to lighten his skin to get closer to prince's complextion (now he had other plastic surgery influences i.e. diana ros, as well but Prince was a major influence). But what about the music? Well this maybe stretching it, but I don't think so. I can hear the influence of Dirty Mind (the title track) and Automatic in Billy Jean, I tyhink Dirty Diana is a campy virgin of Darlin Nikki. I overall think Jackson looked up to the fearlessness Prince had, being tied down to the image he had since a child and his family and all that pressure I think Jacko really would've loved to switch places with Prince.

Well, i don't know, but i have to admit that DirtyDiana is one of the 2 songs of MJ that i like. The other one is BillieJean

Wasn't Dirty Diana supposed to be about or for either Diana Ross or Princess Diana? I think since he adored both of them so much he used their first name in the title of that song. I've heard this mentioned ever since that song came out in the late 80's and it may even be somewhere in the liner notes of the Bad album. It does make sense if ya think about it.

What makes me Laugh is Michael was a Jehovah Whitness and number one and now Prince is a Jehovah Whitness number one Again and Michael is like Kaput because he was Too Much with hanging/Sleeping with Kids and getting Plastic Surgery. What is That All About? It's like Jackson FORGOT about the MUSIC and Just started Acting WACKO and he CRACKED-UP. Dirty Diana was and is A Great Song. Michael's early stuff Billy Jean the whole Thriller and Off The Wall album I loved but all this WEIRD BEHAVIOR has RUINED his CREDIBILITY. Prince has BECOME NORMAL..No Costumes,Masks, Weird Behavior. Michael it's Truly Sad...

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MSMARIE2121 said:

Cosign

Mods have mercy and put this thread out of its misery

Childish
My popstar is better than your popstar mess