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Thread started 08/20/04 11:55am

MattyJam

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Musicology's success has been a fraude. It would've flopped if it weren't for the concert ticket scam.

I'm sorry, but if it weren't for the ridiculous and rather desperate free-CD-with-every-concert-ticket scam, Musicology would've been no more than a minor success.

The proof is in the pudding... the dreadfully dreary Call My Name looks as if it's peaked in the seventies on the Billboard charts... Musicology didn't exactly fair a lot better.

I've heard a number of people ask why this album has made such a mark... and as much as I would love Prince to be hot property once again, he simply isn't.

I think the ticket CD scam is the lowest he's stooped to get a hit album.

Can we say desperado?
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Reply #1 posted 08/20/04 11:57am

Handclapsfinga
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5...4...3...2...
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Reply #2 posted 08/20/04 12:05pm

dawntreader

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

5...4...3...2...


on the one !
yes SIR!
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Reply #3 posted 08/20/04 12:08pm

Handclapsfinga
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dawntreader said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

5...4...3...2...


on the one !

falloff
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Reply #4 posted 08/20/04 12:10pm

SammiJ

neutral .... punching
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Reply #5 posted 08/20/04 12:11pm

asg

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It has already sold 700k-800k in retail dont u think some of these ppl who got a cd in concert go and buy it if they dint get it!!

So u can say a million sold safely


which isnt bad look at SOTT it was single platinum

Graffitti Bridge was only gold

So its already a big success compared to time he was big
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Reply #6 posted 08/20/04 12:12pm

Anxiety

true, this year's tour has been a huge embarrassment. nuts
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Reply #7 posted 08/20/04 12:12pm

lazer65

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neutral .... punching

WHAT THE FUCK U DOING ON THIS SITE SUUCKKKAA IF U AIN'T DOWN WIT IM DIG
Do it like she like it !
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Reply #8 posted 08/20/04 12:15pm

Handclapsfinga
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Anxiety said:

true, this year's tour has been a huge embarrassment. nuts

yeah--had me cringing and duckin in my seat the entire show, like "omg, prince, stop it! don't do anything else!" boxed
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Reply #9 posted 08/20/04 12:19pm

TheDeacon

I think it was a genius idea. Let's face it: At this point in P's career, he could not sell a million copies even if his CD was magnificent because radio and video stations don't(and really never have) supported him. He beat the industry at their own game. After all the things he went through with Warners and MTV(to name a few) it's good to see he can get the last laugh.
[This message was edited Fri Aug 20 12:20:08 2004 by TheDeacon]
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Reply #10 posted 08/20/04 12:19pm

Abrazo

I think it was a genious move.

It may have come out of desparation, but that doesn't really matter, cuz he's got the whole industry talking about and working to copy it, so that says enough.
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Reply #11 posted 08/20/04 12:22pm

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TheDeacon said:

I think it was a genius idea. Let's face it: At this point in P's career, he could not sell a million copies even if his CD was magnificent because radio and video stations don't(and really never have) supported him.

if radio and video never supported him, then why the hell's he still around? hmm
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Reply #12 posted 08/20/04 12:34pm

shygirl

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Jealous folks are a trip. Always trying to bring someone down who's working hard and doing something meaningful with their life.
Here in the Bay Area, a young man who was about to go to college on a full scholarship, was shot and killed when he went to pick up his stepbrother. The accused killers knew the guy and speculation is that the motive was simply jealousy of a young man who worked hard to make a positive life for himself.
Now I'm certainly not comparing the killing of a human being to some of the haters on this site who continuously down Prince. But it's sad how some folks can't be happy for another's success and a few even take it to the extreme.
Prince is having a wonderful year. Deal with it.
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Reply #13 posted 08/20/04 12:38pm

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MattyJam said:



I've heard a number of people ask why this album has made such a mark... and as much as I would love Prince to be hot property once again, he simply isn't.

Can we say desperado?


Can we say "living under a rock?"

Um aside from this fraud (yeah, folks are REAL unhappy to be getting jipped with a cd at a concert)

A sold out tour...R&R hall of fame inducting, Scores of good press about the tour AND the album...many Magazine Covers... Hot Property...Nah!

Why can't we all just be happy for him for once.

Why can't we have nice things?

Christian Zombie Vampires

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Reply #14 posted 08/20/04 12:44pm

bigsexy

CHEAT 2 WIN!!! MF'S
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Reply #15 posted 08/20/04 12:52pm

Soulchild82

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MattyJam said:

I'm sorry, but if it weren't for the ridiculous and rather desperate free-CD-with-every-concert-ticket scam, Musicology would've been no more than a minor success.

The proof is in the pudding... the dreadfully dreary Call My Name looks as if it's peaked in the seventies on the Billboard charts... Musicology didn't exactly fair a lot better.

I've heard a number of people ask why this album has made such a mark... and as much as I would love Prince to be hot property once again, he simply isn't.

I think the ticket CD scam is the lowest he's stooped to get a hit album.

Can we say desperado?



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I wish I would have thought of it
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Reply #16 posted 08/20/04 12:53pm

TheDeacon

He is still around because the fans supported him all these years. The media(video stations, radio stations, magazines etc) have never supported P like the have other artists. If he had a successful CD, it was because people liked it and requested it; NOT because you got soo much of seeing him and hearing him on T.V. and radio(like MJ and Madonna) that you had no choice but to fall in love with him.
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Reply #17 posted 08/20/04 12:59pm

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Has Prince ever had a tour to flop? I don't think so. Its true that the ticket/CD scam helped his numbers look good, but I don't think a Prince tour would FLOP. He might get less attention and have less access to bigger venues...then again. I don't think so. Nah. Musicology the CD probably wouldn't have had the numbers on its own, but when you're an independant, you gotta do what you gotta do to make things happen for your business.
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Reply #18 posted 08/20/04 1:03pm

Hotlegs

MattyJam said:

I'm sorry, but if it weren't for the ridiculous and rather desperate free-CD-with-every-concert-ticket scam, Musicology would've been no more than a minor success.

The proof is in the pudding... the dreadfully dreary Call My Name looks as if it's peaked in the seventies on the Billboard charts... Musicology didn't exactly fair a lot better.

I've heard a number of people ask why this album has made such a mark... and as much as I would love Prince to be hot property once again, he simply isn't.

I think the ticket CD scam is the lowest he's stooped to get a hit album.

Can we say desperado?


The way prince pulled this one off. You have got to admit that its a stroke of genius. pimp2 You need to get pimp slapped for some of comments you made in your post. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
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Reply #19 posted 08/20/04 1:04pm

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BlaqueKnight said:

[color=blue:2fb452e115]Has Prince ever had a tour to flop? I don't think so. Its true that the ticket/CD scam helped his numbers look good, but I don't think a Prince tour would FLOP. He might get less attention and have less access to bigger venues...then again. I don't think so. Nah. Musicology the CD probably wouldn't have had the numbers on its own, but when you're an independant, you gotta do what you gotta do to make things happen for your business.[/color]


u have just spoken like a true prince fan....
I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince.
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Reply #20 posted 08/20/04 1:24pm

Luv4oneanotha

hey don't knock a business man for using his head!

Prince doesn't do that often,

to our standards the C.D. Is vageuly Mediocre, yet to everyone else the C.D. is Sheer genuis...
You can't satisfy everyone! especially the fans that have been here from the begginning...
its not really about getting records sold
i doubt even if prince care about that and if he does, He'd never admit it
i think its about Finally the world listening to his music again...
i mean which was the last comercially successful C.D. he's had
Daimonds and pearls
Emancipation i would say, but he lost alot of money promoting and still radio wouldn't play it.
Whats the ultimate goal of a True Artist?
not to make money!
Not to sell records!
Just to have your music being heard...
to go outside and here your jam being played on the radio while kids play B-ball

but lets see..
you change your name and leave your lable
Radio won't play you because Radio is mandated by the Recording Industry
and since Radio is the only outlet to get your music heard, your pretty much f*Cked
so what do you do?
you have the listeners get it from the source?
Establish a website...
you realize only hardcore fans would really join because nobody thinks you exist anymore
you realease 8 C.D.s of Material and you don't even get on the charts...
wtf can you do?
so what do you do?
Write a mediocre C.D. that you probably think is crap... but use it as a field study
You sign a venture with a record Company, basically using their name to get you some status
they get a 5% profit and you still atain rights and assets
you go on a world class tour playing only your hits...
now if he wasn't playing the hits, no one would come except us
so what happens
the world goes on a frenzy that their Pride and Joy Prince will finally play hits!
he sheds his symbol,
Finally the world can get their purple rain on...
so P takes advantage of all the "Newbies" coming into exposing them to his new style
and so far its been a success
He beat the system...
he new radio wasn't gonna play him, so he used the tour as another outlet to get it heard


and i don't know about yall but i've only heard Call My Name twice on the radio
and that was it
saw the video once...

Prince said it best

"Who tried 2 make me pay big money 4 the frequency?
Guess what? (Yeah)
Uh, I ain't giving up fees
Not me, 2 know"

"Who said I don't fit the format no matter how many I sold?
U know what? (Uh!)
Ain't no need 2 fight, I ain't tight with no..."

"Jukebox with a heartbeat
If it's popular, it ain't free"
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Reply #21 posted 08/20/04 1:32pm

ewald

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SHUT UP ALLREADY.....DAMN !
Thank God this ain't Monopoly
U'd make us all go back 2 start
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Reply #22 posted 08/20/04 1:38pm

camilleblue

I don't care what any of U haters say. The brutha has just shown his skills once again and is breaking the mold. Where is it written that an artist can't break out of the norm? I personally think it was a brilliant move on his part. If it was such a scam then maybe all those sold out shows themselves were scams too huh? Gimmee a break with all that noise. The man is hot again and will get hotter with his next album to come.
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Reply #23 posted 08/20/04 2:34pm

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MattyJam said:

I'm sorry, but if it weren't for the ridiculous and rather desperate free-CD-with-every-concert-ticket scam, Musicology would've been no more than a minor success.

The proof is in the pudding... the dreadfully dreary Call My Name looks as if it's peaked in the seventies on the Billboard charts... Musicology didn't exactly fair a lot better.

I've heard a number of people ask why this album has made such a mark... and as much as I would love Prince to be hot property once again, he simply isn't.

I think the ticket CD scam is the lowest he's stooped to get a hit album.

Can we say desperado?

[url] neutral ok, i dont think this is his best cd in years, but what he is doing giving a cd per ticket its a genius move.I hate this stupid radio system and all the idiots record companys,so fuck them all and let the master plays!
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Reply #24 posted 08/20/04 6:45pm

2elijah

MattyJam said:

I'm sorry, but if it weren't for the ridiculous and rather desperate free-CD-with-every-concert-ticket scam, Musicology would've been no more than a minor success.

The proof is in the pudding... the dreadfully dreary Call My Name looks as if it's peaked in the seventies on the Billboard charts... Musicology didn't exactly fair a lot better.

I've heard a number of people ask why this album has made such a mark... and as much as I would love Prince to be hot property once again, he simply isn't.

I think the ticket CD scam is the lowest he's stooped to get a hit album.

Can we say desperado?

So then go to another artist's site if you have a problem with the cd prince process!!!!! razz razz razz razz razz razz mad mad
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Reply #25 posted 08/20/04 7:19pm

SammiJ

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SammiJ said:

neutral .... punching

WHAT THE FUCK U DOING ON THIS SITE SUUCKKKAA IF U AIN'T DOWN WIT IM DIG
wtf??? uhmm...who said i aint down with p? confused
alrite, we'll just stop that right thurr..
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Reply #26 posted 08/20/04 7:36pm

Rebeka

Fraud doesn't have an e on the end.
You don't think most of the hype on one hit wonders is fraudulent?
or the way radio is controlled by Clear Channel?
or the way we are spoon fed fast food music?

This is the tour of the year, one of the biggest grossing, most talked about, and yes every music publication has Prince on the cover.
New City Buskers were playing Prince songs during the week he was here, buses sported his picture, and for the most part where tours have sold badly or people have cancelled due to poor ticket sales Prince has consistantly sold out his shows.

So if indeed it is fraudulent, then good for Prince! I'd rather have that kinda fraud perpetuated on me then the usual BS we get.
Going to war was more of a fraud...

More power to Prince....
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Reply #27 posted 08/20/04 7:52pm

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It's only a fraud if you buy into the system. The system if fucking broke. I get where you're coming from, and to a degree I agree. Actually, for the first few months, I was in completel agreement, and was embarrassed to be a Prince fan. But the more I think about it, the more I applaud Prince for finding a way around the system.
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Reply #28 posted 08/20/04 8:03pm

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Personally I think all this fraud/system/player/game talk is just something I'm not in the least concerned with.

Does anyone know how many retail copies have sold in the U.S.?
No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.

Sex is not love. Love is not sex. Putting words in other people's mouths will only get you elected.

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Reply #29 posted 08/20/04 8:23pm

Revolution

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That's pure laziness on your part...do the research.

*Prince's ONLY intent was to get his music heard, thus the CD giveaway idea...he had
no idea that Billboard would count them as "sales"...Billboard didn't know that themselves until after Prince's tour started. Even if BB had decided NOT to count the giveaways
as "sales", they would still be given away...Prince has found another way to distribute his
CD's, you can't hate on him for that.
Regardless what James Brown fans think, PRINCE is the hardest working man in
show business and his media blitz before his tour started paid off in gigantic concert
ticket sales, brisk CD sales (first couple of weeks), and overall exposure.
Thanks for the laughs, arguments and overall enjoyment for the last umpteen years. It's time for me to retire from Prince.org and engage in the real world...lol. Above all, I appreciated the talent Prince. You were one of a kind.
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