I can understand it if you didn't like the sound in that period, or that you prefered where 1999 had been going, but without Prince's massive flip in sound types, sparked from 84 onwards, he would not be the enigma is is today.

If he carried on churning out Purple Rains, at the frequency he released records, the record buying public would have buried him in 5 years.

Some people don't like the the Srg. Pepper album. But without it, the Beatles would never have made Abbey Road and The White album. It turned the tide of how they viewed their music making.

Without the influence of W & L, then SOTT would have been far less adventurous, and probably have never happened.

Wendy and Lisa are talented but they are VERY OVERRATED arround here, their solo songs are good, but it´s nothing genuine or incredible, it´s OK, it´s good. The genius was Prince not them. This is my life! my ass

I don't think either NEEDS the other. I like what Prince does without them, and I like what they do without Prince. I just REALLY like what they all do together. The argument of who is using who's sound is endless. Only Prince, Wendy & Lisa can answer that definitely. The rest of us can let our ears take us wherever it takes us.

Lisa appears on Prince's records from Dirty Mind through to Sign O' The Times.

Wendy appears on Prince's records from 1999 through to Sign O' The Times.

Are you saying that 'For You' and 'Prince' are better albums than anything from 1980 to 1987?

It's not just about songwriting credits or performance - it's about attitude and how personal relationships manifest themselves in an artist's body of work.

[color=mediumpurple:3d68db390f]I have no problem at all with artists trying to grow with different styles, but I don't think the psychadelic experimentation suited Prince at all. I think he took it too far with the W&L sound, let it become too big a part of his new music on those albums. Like I said, I personally think he was better off as an artist without them afterwards.[/color]
[This message was edited Fri Aug 20 6:58:35 2004 by PurpleKnight]

What age has to do with this? So my grandpa must know better than you, should I ask him?

If you wanna feel better than anyone at least let it be for musical reasons, you coudl say you´re a musican or something like it, but AGE? At least i must have more brain cells than you grandpa!

Lisa appears on Prince's records from Dirty Mind through to Sign O' The Times.

Wendy appears on Prince's records from 1999 through to Sign O' The Times.

Are you saying that 'For You' and 'Prince' are better albums than anything from 1980 to 1987?

It's not just about songwriting credits or performance - it's about attitude and how personal relationships manifest themselves in an artist's body of work.

Hey, hey... let's chill.

As an artist... if someone looked at one of my drawings from 20 years ago, and said that a certain pencil or brush technique "hurt" my art, I would be like: wtf?

These threads turn into heated arguments, because someone younger, who wasn't there uses the words: Wendy and Lisa HURT some of Prince's music." Them's fighting words.

If that's your opinion, fine, but you'd better expect alot of flak for making such a bold statement. Especially since history doesn't lie. Purple Rain, Around The World In A Day and Parade, were not only heavily influenced by Wendy & Lisa, they were Prince's biggest selling albums. To this day, when people think of Prince, some still think him to be with the Revolution cause they don't keep up with him.

Not only did Wendy & Lisa influence his music, they influenced a broad range of people. The Purple Rain and Parade tours played to more people than all of his other shows, so that is the way alot of people still remember and think of him... as well as Wendy & Lisa. Go up to a non-fan and ask them about his band... someone's bound to ask if Wendy & Lisa are still with him.

For someone who "hurt" Prince's music, it sure is funny how he is always trying to "put this back 2gether." He has been trying to work with them since he chased them away in 1986. Why wasn't Dez or even Andre tapped for the Tavis Smiley show? Did Prince wrirte and record a song asking for Gayle, Rosie, Morris Hayes, or even the GameBoyz aka TDK, to get back together... ala "In This Bed I Scream?" I don't think so.

The answer is no. Why? Because Prince never considered anyone else, to be on the same level as him, when it came to being a musician in his band. In 1983 a little guitar player stepped on stage with Prince for the first time. Little did I know then, that not only was she one of the best female guitar players, but along with a pianist named Lisa, they would influenece and shape the pinnacle of his career.

Like it or not, their impact on his music still stands 20 years after the fact. Most people would love to see Prince with Wendy & Lisa again, more than a reunion with any other band member for that matter. They influenced him with color and experimentation and he influenced them with funk!

Bottom line is, the magic that was created in the studio, while those 3 were alone in there, was so powerful and so much bigger than anyone could imagine. It got too big... even for Prince himself. It must've scared him, a whole lot more than The Time did, upstaging him every night on the 1999 tour.

He created a monster, and yet to this day he is trying to recapture the magic, the chemistry, the music they shared. And I for one will be at the wrecka stow, the day of release for that one. Just like I have been for the past 20something years, of being a Prince fan.

Peace.
[This message was edited Fri Aug 20 13:39:20 2004 by LovesexyIsThe1]

Remember Octavius, 1999 was written BEFORE Wendy came to the group. PR was an extension of 1999 as far as style and sound. Back then, P did not collaborate with anyone. He did it all himself. I don't understand how someone can say just because he created a certain sound back then that it HAD to be because of the influence of W&L. Have you heard their solo albums? They need to influence themselves.

Ok, funs over. I have to admit something. I am really silly when i get bored. I have been displaying this attitude on different threads because i like to get stuff started( in a fun way). EverlastingNow, you have my respect. Not many can go that long with me as you did. I hope i did not offend. It was all in fun. I was laughing the whole time i was writing these threads. Check out the thread about "Did NPG Hurt Prince". That was some of my best stuff. Good night(or day whereever you are)

I definately think Wendy and Lisa's influence hurt Prince's career. That "weird, far out" style change of "Around The World In A Day" not only drove a lot of new pop listeners that had only been with him since "Little Red Corvette" away, but it drove a lot of the hardcore R&B Prince fans that had supported him from the very beginning. A lot of pop listeners just jumped ship immediately. A lot of the R&B fans considered it a mistake and anxiously awaited the next album.

The next album "Parade" was even "weirder" and more "far out". Then the R&B fans jumped ship too. A lot of these were fans that had loved Prince since day one. "Sign O' The Times" was better, but still in that weird retro mood. Then Prince records "The Black Album" and then pulls the plug on it. All the old R&B fans heard the title and expected another album from "the old Prince". When "The Black Album" was finally heard, it was FAR from the "old Prince". The R&B fans did not want to hear some retro 1970s type funk, they wanted to hear what Prince was known for on R&B radio, "The Minneapolis Sound".

We can all praise Prince for his genius and different musical styles here because we are all huge Prince fans that have continued to stick with him. Hell, we've even stuck with him through "Karmasutra". But the reality is, I know countless numbers of people who will tell you they never bought anything else by Prince once he started doing that "weird shit".

Lisa and Wendy definately did damage and after they were gone, the damage continued.

[color=mediumpurple:b424fe4c87]I've got nothing against them, but I actually prefer the Prince without their strong influence.

Some of those more psychadelic songs on Around the World.. and Parade are the weakest of his 80's run imo. A little too experimental.

Also, isn't the strong psychadelic influence what drove away Prince's most enormous following anyway?

I think he's been much better off as an artist without it.[/color]

Remember Octavius, 1999 was written BEFORE Wendy came to the group. PR was an extension of 1999 as far as style and sound.

[color=mediumpurple:b424fe4c87]I've got nothing against them, but I actually prefer the Prince without their strong influence.

Some of those more psychadelic songs on Around the World.. and Parade are the weakest of his 80's run imo. A little too experimental.

Also, isn't the strong psychadelic influence what drove away Prince's most enormous following anyway?

I think he's been much better off as an artist without it.[/color]

I definately think Wendy and Lisa's influence hurt Prince's career. That "weird, far out" style change of "Around The World In A Day" not only drove a lot of new pop listeners that had only been with him since "Little Red Corvette" away, but it drove a lot of the hardcore R&B Prince fans that had supported him from the very beginning. A lot of pop listeners just jumped ship immediately. A lot of the R&B fans considered it a mistake and anxiously awaited the next album.

The next album "Parade" was even "weirder" and more "far out". Then the R&B fans jumped ship too. A lot of these were fans that had loved Prince since day one. "Sign O' The Times" was better, but still in that weird retro mood. Then Prince records "The Black Album" and then pulls the plug on it. All the old R&B fans heard the title and expected another album from "the old Prince". When "The Black Album" was finally heard, it was FAR from the "old Prince". The R&B fans did not want to hear some retro 1970s type funk, they wanted to hear what Prince was known for on R&B radio, "The Minneapolis Sound".

We can all praise Prince for his genius and different musical styles here because we are all huge Prince fans that have continued to stick with him. Hell, we've even stuck with him through "Karmasutra". But the reality is, I know countless numbers of people who will tell you they never bought anything else by Prince once he started doing that "weird shit".

Lisa and Wendy definately did damage and after they were gone, the damage continued.

Hey, hey... let's chill.

As an artist... if someone looked at one of my drawings from 20 years ago, and said that a certain pencil or brush technique "hurt" my art, I would be like: wtf?

These threads turn into heated arguments, because someone younger, who wasn't there uses the words: Wendy and Lisa HURT some of Prince's music." Them's fighting words.

If that's your opinion, fine, but you'd better expect alot of flak for making such a bold statement. Especially since history doesn't lie. Purple Rain, Around The World In A Day and Parade, were not only heavily influenced by Wendy & Lisa, they were Prince's biggest selling albums. To this day, when people think of Prince, some still think him to be with the Revolution cause they don't keep up with him.

Not only did Wendy & Lisa influence his music, they influenced a broad range of people. The Purple Rain and Parade tours played to more people than all of his other shows, so that is the way alot of people still remember and think of him... as well as Wendy & Lisa. Go up to a non-fan and ask them about his band... someone's bound to ask if Wendy & Lisa are still with him.

For someone who "hurt" Prince's music, it sure is funny how he is always trying to "put this back 2gether." He has been trying to work with them since he chased them away in 1986. Why wasn't Dez or even Andre tapped for the Tavis Smiley show? Did Prince wrirte and record a song asking for Gayle, Rosie, Morris Hayes, or even the GameBoyz aka TDK, to get back together... ala "In This Bed I Scream?" I don't think so.

The answer is no. Why? Because Prince never considered anyone else, to be on the same level as him, when it came to being a musician in his band. In 1983 a little guitar player stepped on stage with Prince for the first time. Little did I know then, that not only was she one of the best female guitar players, but along with a pianist named Lisa, they would influenece and shape the pinnacle of his career.

Like it or not, their impact on his music still stands 20 years after the fact. Most people would love to see Prince with Wendy & Lisa again, more than a reunion with any other band member for that matter. They influenced him with color and experimentation and he influenced them with funk!

Bottom line is, the magic that was created in the studio, while those 3 were alone in there, was so powerful and so much bigger than anyone could imagine. It got too big... even for Prince himself. It must've scared him, a whole lot more than The Time did, upstaging him every night on the 1999 tour.

He created a monster, and yet to this day he is trying to recapture the magic, the chemistry, the music they shared. And I for one will be at the wrecka stow, the day of release for that one. Just like I have been for the past 20something years, of being a Prince fan.

Peace.
[This message was edited Fri Aug 20 13:39:20 2004 by LovesexyIsThe1]

I definately think Wendy and Lisa's influence hurt Prince's career. That "weird, far out" style change of "Around The World In A Day" not only drove a lot of new pop listeners that had only been with him since "Little Red Corvette" away, but it drove a lot of the hardcore R&B Prince fans that had supported him from the very beginning. A lot of pop listeners just jumped ship immediately. A lot of the R&B fans considered it a mistake and anxiously awaited the next album.

The next album "Parade" was even "weirder" and more "far out". Then the R&B fans jumped ship too. A lot of these were fans that had loved Prince since day one. "Sign O' The Times" was better, but still in that weird retro mood. Then Prince records "The Black Album" and then pulls the plug on it. All the old R&B fans heard the title and expected another album from "the old Prince". When "The Black Album" was finally heard, it was FAR from the "old Prince". The R&B fans did not want to hear some retro 1970s type funk, they wanted to hear what Prince was known for on R&B radio, "The Minneapolis Sound".

We can all praise Prince for his genius and different musical styles here because we are all huge Prince fans that have continued to stick with him. Hell, we've even stuck with him through "Karmasutra". But the reality is, I know countless numbers of people who will tell you they never bought anything else by Prince once he started doing that "weird shit".

Lisa and Wendy definately did damage and after they were gone, the damage continued.