urthighs said:

Prince is just a human beeing, genuis only, himself need God like any human being

like a friend (big fan of the beatles) of mine says: the beatles r my god coz i got prove that they exist...and some kind of way i think the same...besides i'm a strong beliver that we were spawned by aliens or some kinda shit like that...what if christ was an alien?...
if prince is a religion or not dunno but we as fams we follow him as some people follow a piece of paper known as the bible which got like 20 different versions...

Prince Can EASILY Be a PREACHER.... Maybe he will Be a Preacher One Day...

BAIT... at least I hope so for your sake

Marrk said:

That's COLD! UrThighs needs help y'all Or at least a life outside of Prince

urthighs said:

Well, I get ya in the regard that Prince's Music can be Uplifting and make ya High. Yes,Prince can make ya Happy. It's quite a Full Joyous Feeling.

SquirrelMeat said:

It is a sad thing, but I think we have several "Mark Chapman"'s here. I never realize the real risk of being a celebrity is. No wonder they have body guards.

Peace and Sanity,

That guy was a Crazy Sick Nutcase who took Lennon's Life..I wish I Could Shoot him for killing another one of my Idols who was Totally About Love and Goodness. He took Music from us....An INNOCENT ARTIST who's Life was Snuffed out by a DERANGED Sould who CLAIMED he was a Fan? What kinda Fan Kills their IDOL? Plus he wrote His name John Lennon.Psycho Chapman thought he was Lennon..What about those Manson Followers? Killing Innocent people? Please Life is so Sick and so Sad.. People don't Love Enough... Ya try 2 be good nd some Mental Meanie Hurts ya...Very Sad...

Zogmuffin said:

I will go even further, I love his music and related work... I don't know him to love him.

WRONG FORUM!!

oneSophia said:

not really. By definition, religion is the worship of of a supernatural power or god. Elevating Prince to the realms of a deity just because you like his albums does not qualify him as some sort of divine being.

He's a musician a very talented one, thats all, end of story.

Does "false idols" ring a bell with anyone here?

If not, ya need to get busy with the King James Version!

I'm not all Holy, but I now the basics.

P.S.....

Those who feel that Prince is a religion or god, I truly feel sorry for.

Lleena said:

Actually, there is some debate regarding what "defines" a religion, with some accounts being more inclusive than others.

If we were to take the above definition, Buddhism, for example, would not qualify, as its followers do not believe that Buddha was a God, a prophet, or any kind of supernatural being - he was born and died a man. Nor did he teach that a God created the universe, merely that a law (or Dharma) runs through it, and one can find freedom from suffering by living in accordance with this.

If you always make Judeo-Christian beliefs the starting point for any inquiry, and compare everything else to them, then it is a small wonder that they'll always come out on top - seeming more valid than everything else. But this says more about the perspective of the person making the comparison, than it does about the relative "validity" of the belief systems being compared.
[This message was edited Sat Aug 14 8:13:43 2004 by deebee]

Lleena said:

Thank you.

deebee said:

But all prophets were human, they were born and died ,they delivered message , as Buddha delivered one, different but always to make the human beeing happy,good and free.

urthighs said:

please be careful how far

u take your admiration

4 prince

prince is a man

men make mistakes

God has blessed him

with tremendous talent

however, he is human

like u and me

love God

all else falls into place

peace

prodigalfan said:

And I will go even further & admit to loving him despite not knowing him personally

You know reading this had made me think, and I remember being this way about prince. Needing to hear his music everyday all day. becoming severely depressed at the end of a tour, feeling down and turning to his music. reading newspapers and billbord magazines to see where he was everyday. travling all over the sate of california to get rare recordings, meeting people who were as obsessed as I was. We used to have sessions in the library at my college watch Prince videos and analyzing them. We used to listen to every word every song and wonder what he meant. I was truly obsessed.
I must say that when I go to concerts it still feels like a religious experience. there is worship going on in there. But as I grew older and really realized what a hard time he has emotionally, spiritually etc..His eary life sucked, he struggled and was hungry, he ran away from home several times, he was a lost child who had to make a way on his own. He was just like several people that I knew, I thought damn he's just a man. I was disappointed when I really realized that, but then I realized that it was the music all along. It was the message that I took from each recording. It was his ability to make the music that appealed to me when i was sad, lonely, happy, amused, joyous and just going through it. I realized that he made the music he chose to what ever his reason and it was what I brought to and got out of that experience that made it so good for me. His music is a huge part of the soundtrack of my life. His music is what matters most to me. I love that man, mainly because his sound and creations have been a part of my life for so long. But he is a man.

I like the point made about taking everything from a Christian point of view. It is true that Christianity is set up to make everything else look inferior. One has to decide what religion is best for them.
That said, the feelings that are experienced by some people could be closely identified with how a religion makes one feel, as scary as that is I understand it. I just hope that when the realization that Prince is a man who does not want to be considered a god comes, it can be handled with out too much disappointment and sadness.

On the John Lennon tip...yeah Mark David Chapman

what about that "fan" who killed Serena the tejano singer...she was the president of her fan club and worship her.

Scary what is out there for the celebrities. very scary

just my

deebee said:

Equating Prince with a spritual leader such as Buddha is one giant leap I'm not willing to make. According to your logic anyone with talent could be considered a religion, Why not David Bowie or Sting?

Buddha rejected the notion of divinity, he was a spiritual teacher, a sage. Somebody who lived an ascetic life and reached the ultimate enlightenment, i.e Nirvana, he passed on his knowledge through the Dharma. Lets not lose sight of the fact that prince is fundamentally a musician, not a spiritual leader. Although his music may have the power to uplift, this does not a religion make.

He wears heels for gods sake.

darn!
[This message was edited Sun Aug 15 5:08:17 2004 by Lleena]

melinda said:

yup. hell Jesus was human. he was born and died. who r we to say that prince is no differnt? a prophet of sorts. sending different messages thru his music..especially that whole God vs. sex message...hell i'll go even further to say who r we to say that Prince may not even be the second comming (b4 u all jump on my ass no i do not think this i'm just agreein wit the above point. i believe in God the most high thank u very much)...if this is what urthighs would like to believe i aint goin knock him for it (altho i came reeeeel close)...all i gotta say is don't "worship him" u feel me...if he makes u happy and u like listenin thats all good n gravy..but don't worship as if he IS the second comming or a prophet or anything "godly" u feel me...also since ur not very religious...maybe u should b.

Moonwalkbjrain said:

Prince is not a prophet , this i am sure , thank you.

Yeah, the original post was pretty whack, and confusing idolization with idolatry is pretty dangerous, but not all that surprising.

OTOH, if we ignore P the man, and look at his oeuvre (his "body of work"), there are fascinating systems of symbols, ideas, philosophies, myths and stories, which link together and form the basis of a fairly coherent world-view. This is not unlike the foundations of many religions. THis is also one thing that always appealed to me about P's output. I think it COULD b turned into the basis of a complex and satisfying network of beliefs. This is NOT the same as any pop-star or musician. The Lennon comparison is actually interesting because he also tried to create stories that linked together a philosophy and world-view, but I think P has always done it in a more interesting way. He has invented symbols, and terminology which is specific to his "religion", and only "followers" understand it, although even then it is always open to interpretation and reinterpretation by others using other examples of its usage (I'm thinking of terms like "Uptown", "New Power", "Lovesexy", "power fantastic", "the dawn", "love4oneanother" etc).
U could take this a lot further - because he intentionally mimics religious system's iconoclature. He has a symbol which represents himself (I can only think of one other historical figure like that!!!). He has a holy city (MPLS) which exists more as an idea than a reality. He even has his own system of writing (which I use 2, but mainly coz I'm inherently lazy!). His use of mystery and ambiguity, creating meaning in the gaps between texts, or by merging other texts (like in his symbol) provides a depth which echoes the profundity of religious textuality.
The cultic nature of NPGMC needs no reiteration.

None of the above has anything to do with the hero-worship BS that urthighs and others were talking about. I just wanted to point out how the structure of "Prince" as a text, not as a person, has a lot in common with religious textuality. This is without even delving into the contents of the philosophies, the whole lovesexy/lovedivine thing etc.

Ugh. I'll reserve comment, because anything I say regarding this topic would come off as far too mean.

Prince a religion in his own right? Please listen to what you're typing.

Luv & Peace,
Alex
Clubbin' in Mpls/A Night w. Prince

urthighs said:

Prince is not a religion. But, he is part of movement by artist to get their fans to see past the smokescreen of bullshit that the media has created.

TheDreamingPeasant said:

TheDreamingPeasant said:

[b]Nothing against you,but i think you need some professional help to see others reasons to fell good and happy besides worshiping Prince.He is briliant i agree but a God? be carfull.....