I can believe that! Six times is pretty darn good. I've been to two of his concerts during this tour, wishing that I could go to some more.

superspaceboy said:

That's one of the things that is really bothering me in this thread - all these "he changed his mind" comments. Veganism is NOT that casual!!!! It should NEVER be treated as such. A person who decides that they're sick of being blonde, so they dye their hair dark is changing their mind. Turning your back on a lifestyle based on living in accordance to your ethics is pretty major.

What's riling me up so much in this thread is not necessarily the fact that Prince may or may not have eaten fish. What bothers me is the casual attitude taken towards something that should be treated with great respect.

I can't tell you how many nights I've stayed up crying because of some horrible incident of animal abuse that I read in the news or saw on tv. I've worked first hand with animals who have been tortured beyond belief - it's what made me go vegan. It's the most important thing in the world to me, and I'm not alone. Most of my vegan friends feel the same way. For someone to treat it like it's just a phase to grow out of - it just makes my heart sink. My veganism is rarely taken seriously by anyone other than my family and my vegan friends. No one should be waiting for me to "get over it" or "change my mind". If I ever do turn my back on veganism, I would hope that people would take it seriously and not just take the attitude that I grew bored with it.

CandaceS said:

thank u. Candace. Thumbs up on you thread

Everyone is getting on P like they watched him eat. He could have ordered this 4 one of the NPG members.

kellyann22 said:

I can tell that you're overly sensitive.

Supernova said:

if you can't see why i'm so bothered by this thread, it's clear that you do not have a very open mind. i would think that would bother you a bit.

kellyann22 said:[quote]

dealodelandron said:

oh certainly! a lot of my friends are vegan. i just haven't brought myself to be able to give that kind of dedication. if i ever did it, i'd probably not tell anyone for a long time for fear of screwing it up. i definitely admire those that understand what it means to be vegan and are able to follow it. i've caught people that claim to be, and aren't even aware that they are violating it with gelatin caplets on vitamins and things like that.

kellyann22 said:

First, you reply to my post with snide remarks and now you have the mind-set to say I'm disrespectful and misguided. If you have something against you're neighbor than you do have malice in your heart. Does that make you a bad person? No, not at all. It's an emotion. Where did I imply self-importance in that post? All of that is common knowledge and never once did I say, "Because I feel this way, it's right." What mortal being can say what's right and wrong? If you believe that animals have no ability to feel anger, malice, or any other emotion, than that's what you believe. But, I've seen differently having worked with our beautiful, four-legged brethren that they feel just as much as any human. They hurt. They cry. They get depressed. They remember those who do them wrong, and they show anger towards them. You speak no more truth than I do and learning is something that everyone should continue to do, no matter how much that person may think they know about something. Cows would still exist regardless of whether people ate them or not. Just like I believe that roaches will be here long after all mankind has died out. Even though they are gross, they have a reason for being here. Without cows, the world would become overgrown with plant life. Herbivores control the growth of fauna, just like a lawnmower, except cuter and not as noisy. I apologize to you. Like I said, I was not trying to down you're spiritual beliefs. I get offended when people make it seem like animals are emotion-less beings that were just put here to look at. It hurts my feelings.

LMAO @ this thread!

kellyann22 said:

I'm glad I don't have time in my life to be bothered by what you think about me.

But it IS telling that someone suggests that they'd be happy if he got rid of that "religious nutball" stuff, yet NOT ONE WORD about that is being said about being respectful or understanding of his beliefs.

We'll just sweep that under the rug as if it was never there.

Face it: being contradictory is not exclusive to Prince, as some of his fans on this site would have people believe. It's this thing us humans have in common.

We'll sweep that under the rug too.

Prince was tired he just did a concert he wanted food wow he ate fish drank water : he was brooding so sad : the guy just was eating his dinner then u all say oh he is a vegetarian he ate fish o m g did he kill someone?

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[This message was edited Mon Aug 9 16:08:56 2004 by kellyann22]

kellyann22 said:

But the problem is that you can be a vegetarian and have a poor diet, by sticking to some favorites. I also have a friend who had serious health problems caused in part by her vegetarian diet.

POOK said:

Indeed. A bunch of pointless speculation and uninteresting information.

Who gives a crap what he did with his free time, or what he ate? Like Billie Holiday said "...ain't nobody's business...".

Supernova said:

"Telling"???? Please. I don't even have any idea what you're referring to, so you can hardly say that you're able to jump to some kind of conclusion about me for not defending his religious beliefs. For your information, I think it's wrong to come down on anyone's beliefs, assuming that their beliefs don't involve hurting someone. I have never once said a single thing on this site which knocks JWs or any other religious group.

Sorry, but the two are completely unrelated. Are you saying that before I ever again defend veganism as something that should be treated with respect, I should first search for a post or a thread attacking Prince's religious beliefs, so that I can defend them? That makes absolutely no sense.

Aerogram said:

Oh, absolutely. Anyone can be unhealthy. I can be a vegan but only live on pop and potato chips - I don't think I'd last very long!

Just like people who eat fast food all the time.

I do recognize that there are a few things that my vegan diet excludes that CAN be healthy, if they're not poisoned.

All diets, meat-inclusive or otherwise, need to be carefully examined in order to ensure optimum health.

In other news.....

Someone made love today for the first time.

Someone lost their job today.

Funeral processions are going down some streets.

Some poor kid is smoking crack.

Someone is playing with their kid.

Someone didn't have enough money for the bus.

Someone will ask someone to marry them.

kellyann22 said:

Uh huh. That's just as well.

Supernova said:

Good point. Maybe if we would try to be respectful and understanding of his beliefs, he would learn from us and treat us the same way. Thus far, he certainly hasn't shown any respect or understanding for people who don't swallow HIS absurd dogma. . .

"Ooops, I did it again. . ." --britney

billysparxxx said:

Billy!!! I get your point: Big fucking deal whatever P did. Plus, none of us were there in the first place to see any of this.

kellyann22 said:

I'm quoting the above again, because it seems that I've been more outspoken than just about anyone on this subject, and therefore, I feel that a lot of these "who gives a shit what Prince does" comments are directed at me.

May I remind you that the issue for me is not about what Prince does in his personal life. The fact that there's even SPECULATION about Prince eating fish upsets me. It bothers me because people place way too much importance on celebrities. When Drew Barrymore renounced her veganism, I heard so many comments about how veganism is just a "phase", how it's completely "open for interpretation", etc. Some of you may hold certain beliefs that are extremely precious to you - beliefs that are also mocked by many people that you come into contact with every day. Speculation like this just fuels that attitude.

Most people that I meet that don't know much about veganism assume that it's a temporary thing. I find that incredibly offensive. I'm not going around telling people that they're wrong for eating meat, so why should anyone try to make me feel like my beliefs are not valid? I guess I'm just more upset that a lot of people here don't seem to want to understand why this news is so aggrevating for a vegan to hear. Perhaps you should try to put yourself in someone else's shoes for a moment.

As CandaceS mentioned, this could very well be speculation; the fish might have been for someone else. If that's the case, than Prince is completely undeserving of any eye-rolling that I've directed at him. The speculation itself, however, is enough to piss me off. Even if it's not anyone's fault (How is the reporter supposed to know that he's a vegetarian??), it's just unfortunate. It just keeps that whole "are you still doing that vegan thing" attitude flourishing.

The Apples were sour, but the juice was sweet.

All I know is.....


...when Kellyann22 writes her book, I'm going to buy it.....



























....I'm sure when I burn it, the flames will get my steak nice and done.

Yum Yum

billysparxxx said:

billysparxxx said:

Yeah, cuz I've been SO offensive.

At least THIS KellyAnne isn't as obnoxious as the last one


KellyAnne, FYI, there was this ignorant, racist, crazy person with that name a few years ago (or maybe it was longer?!?)


but she wasn't a vegan

billysparxxx said:

Right on. And also at this very moment.....one of our shelter dogs is still lying in isolation with tubes stuck in him because he survived 2 gunshots to the head. Some people eat his kind.

Slave2daGroove said:

No, I'm not and I haven't said ONE offensive thing yet. All I've done is try to encourage people to understand why this attitude is so troubling. Have I once in this entire thread said that people who eat meat are wrong? No. I respect other people's beliefs and I expect people to respect mine. I was naturally bothered by Estelle for putting words in my mouth, and I took offense to Supernova's closed minded comments, but that's it.

I thought more people knew what it was like to constantly have their most passionate beliefs constantly mocked. I guess not.

Have'nt u all learned anything after all of these years? U can't believe everything u read. And if it did happen who gives a shit. And like and earlier post said.....what if his doctor told him that he needs 2 incorporate some fish in his diet? We don't know so b4 u call some1 a hypocrite i hope that u've talked with that person 1st and u have all of the facts! Get over it!

ELBOOGY said:

Please go back and read the thread a little more closely. I don't think there has been much time spent on calling Prince a hypocrite. I think most of us have admitted that this is just speculation.

kellyann22 said:

So you quoted me...agreed and COMPLETELY MISSED MY POINT.