Anxiety said:[quote]you know what, i'll take a nibble at the worm on the hook...

for someone who gives off a vibe of wanting to take the high road, i find it puzzlingly classless when P throws shade at other artists in interviews...like when he said he didn't like the foo fighters' cover of "darling nikki" and told 'em to write their own songs (they got a million of 'em, princey - they're all different, ya know!), and when he said he'd like to shoot people in the head who record cover versions of his songs (so can cheryl crow, joan osbourne, shania twain, sly stone, the estate of jimi hendrix, joni mitchell, carlos santana, etc. etc. etc. form a purple paisley firing squad then???)....

...and, i mean, even when his criticisms are dead-on, it seems to me that a TRUE artist should be supportive of other people working in the craft, even if they're not performing quite up to his standards. lift 'em up, don't knock 'em down.

i try to ignore this kinda mess when i read interviews with the man, but yeah - it bugs me.[/quote]


me too.

Anxiety said:

la, la, la, la, la means i love you anxiety (for telling it like it is)

bkw said:

good point. and, i can't say i'm 'sick of' prince. he just....irks me

i guess i wish he'd give props to the bans he DOES like instead of dismissing 'today's music' as he seems to do

LittleLamb said:

Actually he likes Norah and she played with him at PPark during the Xeno Celebration. Though I get what you are saying.

Littlewing said:

I disagre totally. P is needed bcuz he is the Ultimate Musicians Musician. The Roots are a group that P likes. But look at the R&B scene 2day and there are very few Musicians.....Camoe's,Zapp's,The Time,Ohio Players,Bootsy,Funkadelic! Where are this groups protege's or the NEXT 2 take thier places. It has'nt happen bcuz everybody's samplin most of the time and not learning the ART of music itself. P used drum machines 2 the max back in the day,but with his musicianship on point he was able 2 make some amazing shit that was his own as well as some of the best live shows ever!

XxAxX said:

He sort of does...just not all of the time. Obviously he respects Ani DiFranco, Lenny, Angie, Erika, etc. He does mention them.. Just not often.

LittleLamb said:

He gave props 2 Norah Jones by letting her perform at the XENAPHOBIA celly's.....get your facts straight! P has acknowledged the true musicians or artist that can actually sing they asses off like Rachell Ferrell, Beyonce,Patti Labell, Anita Baker, Luther. P has always given the respect where respect was due!

like one orger said, prince is just like the weather. and he is always contridicting himself.

ELBOOGY said:

Preach Brotha! I don't know why people are getting mad at Prince for speaking truth. Better be happy that I wasn't in Prince's place, because I damn sure would be naming names. He's nice not to call some of these garbage "artists" (and I use that term very loosely) out by name. He's not dissing the ones who can sing and have talent; he's talking about the ones that the damn sheeple of the world praise as talented artists/singers/musicians. Most of the popular (and richest) newbie "artists" out now sample their asses off. That's what he means by computers. Like I said in another post, I can't call 90% of these newbie performers talented because of all of the damn sampling their albums contain. To quote myself, "Who can't throw some lyrics to a song that has already been composed, produced, and laid down for you. That's like someone baking the cake for you and all you have to do is put the icing on top." How the fuck these people are considered talented is still beyond my understanding. Talent my ass, anyone with a nice rack, decent ass, great six pack, and cute face can get a record deal nowadays if they can carry a slight tune.

vainandy said:


Thank you to someone else who speaks with some common sense.
[This message was edited Thu Aug 5 20:34:42 2004 by estelle1981]

I get the feeling that Prince and Ed the sock could somehow get along. Click here for an article that Ed wrote on a similar topic.

marcdeondotcom said:

awww, thanks. love back atcha.

and love to prince, too - i figure if this is the biggest issue i have with him these days, he could be doing a lot worse in my book.









it still bugs me, though.

bigsexy said:

I like to refer to her as the over-paid stripper with a soundtrack. What the fuck is her talent anyway?!?! I've seen her concerts on TV and I don't see why the girl is worth 100 million dollars. I've been to strip clubs and they do pretty much the same thing that she and half of her fellow female morons do. They all disgust me, because they probably wouldn't be able to sell a single album without showing some T & A. People wouldn't look at them twice if they were fully dressed. Sorry, but gyrating isn't a talent and neither is lip-syncing. Patti LaBelle and Tina Turner had some high energy shows and they still managed to open their mouths and sing. So, that "it's hard to sing and dance at the same time" excuse is total bullshit to me. I've seen others do it before just fine...but of course, these individuals had talent as apposed to just a nice rack. Keep dissin' 'em Prince. They deserve it.

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Amen! AMEN DAMMITT!! Where the hell are the groups taking the place of these old groups. In the 1970s, you had groups like Parliament/Funkadelic, The Ohio Players, and Brick. In the 1980s, some of these groups continued and music progressed even more with groups like The Gap Band, Roger & Zapp, and Midnight Star. What the hell happened in the 1990s and today, where the hell are the groups to replace these.....some rappers with the old groups sampled in the background for music behind their "talk". Hell no, I don't think so.....that's not good enough! That doesn't cut it. Even the singers today rely on a sample for the basic structure of their music. Look at Janet Jackson's new song. The whole basis for that song is structured around a sample of Evelyn King's "I'm In Love". Of course it's going to sound good.....hell Evelyn King did it 20 plus years ago and it sounded good then.

As for Prince and some of the other 1980s artists using computers back in the day...their songs were started from scratch with no old song to use as a guide or something to use as the basic structure of the song to hold it together.

If I can't prove any other point, at least let me say this.....at least they were not stuck in mid tempo which is where the MAJORITY of today's music is stuck. I, for one, am sick of all the ballads and mid tempo stuff. Give me some new funk because I'm wearing my old records out.

Theres good music and shit music,and dont matter how it was made at the end of the day, I personally prefer musicians ,people that can play their own music though if they add a bit of synthectic to it and use technology to it to improve it then so be it. It does piss me off that there are so many covers about though and most of them offer nothing new ,so I can see where Prince is coming from there. I think with the computer thing all Prince is refering to is lazy over use whereby the artist has no real musical tallent and just uses programs to blast out similar shit to everyone else, at the end of the day you cant beat real instruments.

Littlewing said:

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I don't think he was dissing Beyonce. He was just trying to help her. I don't think she has the best voice in the world. He does nothing but sing her praises. I don't think he disdains other artist. In RnB right now you don't have a lot of people who can sing, write songs, or play insturtments. RnB is dying and I think Prince is a little concerned about it. I think you are reading way to much into what he is saying. It is called contructive critism.

It's funny, when prince disses someone it "contructive critism" but if prince is the subject of contructive criticism, your a hater.
[This message was edited Fri Aug 6 5:07:25 2004 by jbell]

He is not dissing other groups he never mentions anyone .Music today is all computerised he is right he likes Outkast ;Alicia : Nerd cause they are musicians look at Britney cant sing cant play an instument mimes shes a joke thats who he means and she is worth 50 million thats a joke

I'm not a Brittany fan but, it seems that she and other acts today are simply using their sexappeal to sell records. the way prince used to so who is he to talk down on todays act. he's the same guy that used to run around on stage in panties!

jbell said:

He may have displayed a lot more in your face sexuality back in the day, but NO ONE could ever say that he didn't have the TALENT to back it up. That is what sets him apart from these other artists (and I use the term artist very loosely). That is something that almost none of the current acts can say for themselves. They are mostly like empty calorie treats...might tastes great, but absolutely no filling!

I'm mad at myself for reading this entire thread. Why in the world are so many folks placing such importance on a few words by P about the music industry?
really, it's obvious that some of you are quite happy listening to your old records, and others are quite happy with lot of the new stuff that's out there. I don't get all the b*tching here. So what if P talks negatively about current music. Tons of us here on this site do the same thing.
To criticize his treatment of Beyonce is ridiculous. What he did was generous. I'd love to have Prince, Slash or George Benson sit me down and show me some stuff anyday. Any "humble musician" knows what Prince was doing when he showed Beyonce some scales. That's what the industry needs. A sense of community and friendship. The comments from some of the folks here shows that they would have been nothing more than ungrateful.
It sounds like some people get off on talking about what they don't like more than what they like!
I don't know, I've just been such a lover of art all my life that I don't get why people would spend so much time and energy talking about what's wrong with this or that. I'd rather pick up my guitar and a pen and express whatever that is and what it means to me.

ScreamsofPassion said:

Right!! My daughter begged me to take her to this music festival we had a couple of weeks ago! It was the saddest thing I've ever seen. Sure the stages were magnificent, the light shows were awesome, the special fx were incredible, and the big boobed, big booty dancers, did what they were paid to, but for all I heard that night I couldn't name a song to save my life!

The only person that made the night tolerable was R Kelly, and why? Because he was the only one that could really sing, the rest just had me looking for some tylenol!

What's worse is the fact that my daughter and her friends, thought that was the most fantastic show ever done!

So I really don't think that Prince is dissing the artists of today, I actually feel from his interviews that he is challenging them! Challenging them to really learn something, that way they'll be able to pass that knowledge on to those like my daughter who look up to them. So that they may be inspired to learn something. The way I'm positive that Jimi Hendrix and James Brown inspired Prince to learn something!

OdysseyMiles said:

I feel ya. I think showing the cales was great. Telling the whole world about it and her being a professional I think was a backslap. Im sure he has been set down before and schooled when he was younger. I bet you he'll never tell you about it. It a musicians code thing, somethings you dont say about other pro's in the public eye.

This really takes no energy from me. I usuallt do this when i'm bored and want the mental stimulation of a debate.

Helping and teaching the younger folks it fine.
Its true the state of music today is whack by large.
My Point is that P is more concerned with using it to promote himself than ginuinly help!
When has this guy done anything to help anyone?

P is the most selfish, agogant, face shifting, self promoting, hypocritical artist of all time, but because of his talent and his fandoms emotional connection to him. They cant see it. They buy into the spin. "I've pushed the envolope but dont you do it." He made his fortune off sexuality not talent! If he wore glasses and suit and played the same songs, we wouldn't know who the hell he was. If he did make it with sex fine, but dont then turn around and condeem others. Marketing wise he is no different from Britney, and the rest in my book. Whatever happened to letting the music speak for itself? But I guess when the music aint hot you gotta find something?

Supernova. I rest my case!

Littlewing said:

Thanks Littlewing, you make a lot of sense. A computer is a tool and can be used as an instrument, i agree. Who the hell does Prince think he is? Why is he so frustrated about today's music, there's nothing wrong with it u know. Prince is old and very blasé, acting stupid and basically an icon of the past.

Littlewing said:

You call that a case? Sounds like your own personal beef.
The fact that he told a reporter that he sat Beyonce down and showed her some scales was not a backslap. If anything, he was encouraging other experienced musicians out there to do the same. Why? Because young artists need it! There ain't no "musician's code" out there dude, sorry.
The only "code" I know of is the language musicians speak with one another onstage.

littlewing said:

Check the entire Associated Artists Forum.

littlewing said:

If you really believe this, you've got a lot more homework to do.
You're book is broke.

PaisleyPark said:

What's wrong with today's music?!?! Are you being serious? You must not own a radio or have access to cable, because the garbage that's out today is all lights and mirrors. It's all about image nowadays. Plus, "Who the hell does Prince think he is?" Well, he's a songwriter/producer/composer/singer/instrumentalist/dancer/director. He's got the slashes to back up what he's saying. Half of the artists out now probably couldn't play a plastic whistle. I'd be pissed to if these new "artists" were getting all this credit for half-assing, which is what they do. The computer does the work for them. All they have to do is kinda sing and the computer will fix their vocals to where the song sounds better....does "voice manipulation" ring a bell to all the computer geniuses out there who don't seem to have a problem big-upping computers? There's everything wrong with today's music, when 90% of the videos from female "artists" (and I use that term very, very loosely) consist of them being half-naked at some point in the video. I'm still trying to figure out why Britney Spears was walking around half-naked in that "Everytime" video....isn't it supposed to be a ballad? If she had any real talent, she wouldn't have to be half-dressed in every video. Just like Beyonce wouldn't have to be crawling around like a sex starved hooch in almost all of her videos. Hmmm, not to mention that I've heard both Beyonce, Britney, Pink, Christina Aguilera, Usher, Justin, and many other popular newbie "artists" talking shit and dissing one of their fellow preformers at some point in the last couple years. Britney talked shit about Christina, as did Pink. Christina dissed Pink, Britney, and Kelly Osbourne. Usher has said some nasty things about Justin Timberlake. Justin said some negative things about Britney and Micheal Jackson, sure they were true, but he didn't have to say them. Madonna has dissed more people than Prince and actually called them out by name...Whitney, Mariah, and Gwen Stefani just to name a few. So, it's okay for some less talented artists to talk shit and diss other singers, but Prince can't do it. Man, get your facts straight.

OdysseyMiles said:[quote]

Littlewing said:

The rest my case was not to you. It was a mesage to another orger. We had a discussion about how people respond when you say anything negative about Prince on this site. Nothing personal. I dont get to personal with any of this. Its just convo.

Most of the assiciated artist you speak of are all out of work now. What are they doing?
He fired the Time why?
He was jeolous casue they were getting to many props. Sometimes the time would outshine him at his own shows. Thats the real reason for the firering. All that other BS about being late and unprofessional is crap. They certainly have proved there worth without him havent they?

He fired the revolution why?
Jeolousy! To much Prince AND the Revolution is not good!!! Damit I want all the credit!
His music hasn't been the same since. Fact is Wendy, Lisa and Doc Fink were the ones who reeled him in and gave his music its POP marketable gloss. As soon as they left you just had Great musical concepts and Genuis instrumentaion and arranging, but no mass appeal or Marketable direction.

Paisly Park?
Not one decent sustaining artist. God forbid he produce someone and they get bigger than him. He would rather loose money and his label than help smeone else succeed.
This guy could have ruled the radio and industry and his ego blew it!

All the others, he basically used to change his set and image then discarded them.
Anyone who has been in his camp if thr honest will tell you, he's selfish!

Oh yes he is talented no doubt, I think you know what I mean. Its a pachage. Talent alone is not enough. His image and antics pushed him over the top. Others have the right to use the same techniques.
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estelle1981 said:

ES I know were your comming from and you are right about alot of the music out here.
I just dont believe that its the real motivation for P's comments. I think he is just jeolous
casue HE isnt hot anymore.

The sold out shows are mosty the old schoolers. No yourg people today are pumping Musicology while cruising. The Billboard charts and just the result of free cds, some of which are left on the floor after the concert.

And Prince is the one who taught B to crawl. I just wish she would pull her pants half way down her ass lik P did...lol She also needs to where some of the assless chaps!
I'm waiting for that!
[This message was edited Fri Aug 6 10:18:07 2004 by Littlewing]

Hey Current music blows right now.
I think he is basically saying all these people making big money and selling huge number of units and they have to lip synch at a live show, Can't play an instrument, or write a song. When you are as awesome as he is and can play all the instruments, write all the songs and be a bad ass on stage. You can talk a little shit whenever you want. He can back it up.

I will say it is pretty funny that the only music he is into right now is Outkast and Alicia Keys. She is covering his music and Andre3000 basically ripped off his sound. Wonder why he likes them so much?

LOL, this topic is hilarious, sorry.
Anyway my point of view.

Prince is right in everything he speaks. I mean no one today has much talent, Britney, Hilary Duff, Jessica Simpson, Aaron Carter- need i continue? If you have an apealing image and as someone said, carry a tune you can get in the business easier than someone who isn't as sexually appealing but has great talent.

When young people watch MTV they see Britney Spears looking all hot and young girls are like, "wow she's pretty, let's go buy her music." And to top it off, her voice is fixed on the computer, and even when it is, it is still poor singing, range, etc. Can you imagine Britney with a guitar? If you go to a Britney concert she apparently only sings once or twice and the rest is lip synching. What kind of bullshit is that? That's a disgrace to people who spent their whole lives learning how to play music and couldn't get anywhere with it.

I don't really know specifically who Prince is picking on but i assume it's Britney, Avril, Hilary, Justin. He's simply afraid that these idols of teens will negatively influence them of what talent is. And he is right.

However i don't think Prince can change the way the industry is moving, unfortunately. There will be us who know what good music is- against those teens who love Hilary Duff and will rise her to the greatest musician ever.

When Prince is doing an interview, he always seem to hint that there are no good musicians out there, but what about Fiona Apple, Norah Jones, John Mayer and all those other people that are making good music? They play instruments, too.

I think Prince is talking more about R&B music and pop when he hints at there being no more "real" musicians. He tries to hype up Dre3000, but really, Dre3000 is not as talented as Prince; he's going to drive himself mad trying to keep up with, trying to be Prince. Copying doesn't work, you have to actually HAVE the talent.

Well, I wish Prince would at least mention those other artists -- I mean Fiona Apple is good. She has a cult following, too. He can at least acknowledge her or some other singer/songwriter. To me, he and Fiona are in the same boat -- genius, crazy (in a good, controlled way) and they both can write (they could have had literary fame, too, and still be great!).

Prince is a great musician, but their are others, too, that are just starting out and will have longevity, too (and some didn't even start out raunchy!)