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Thread started 03/08/02 3:03am

rainbowchild

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Gay connotations in Prince's music???

Is it just me or do some of Prince's lyrics seem to have gay connotations, intentional or not? Consider the following lyrics:
-In "I Would Die 4 U" he sings:
I'm not a woman, I'm not a man
I am something that you'll never understand.
-In "Anna Stetia" he sings:
Have U ever wanted 2 play with someone so much
U'd take any one boy or girl?
-In "Diamonds and Pearl"
If I gave U diamonds and pears
Would U be a happy boy or a girl
-In the song,"Jack U Off" we know he's singing this to a girl, but the term jacking off is more commonly associated with a man than a woman?
-In "If I Was Your Girlfriend" he sings:
And would U, would U let me kiss U there
U know, down there where it counts
I'll do it so good, I swear I'll drink every ounce
And then I'll hold U tight and hold U long

That last one always gets me hot just listening to it. I've often wondered if Prince has "experimented" with same sex. I wouldn't be surprised, of course, but just the thought is so hmmmmm.....
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Reply #1 posted 03/08/02 3:38am

DavidEye

Don't forget these....


***"Partyman(Purple Party Mix"---Near the beginning of the song,Prince talks in a gay voice,and asks "Yeah,what he look like?" (sounding as if someone is trying to set him up with another guy)

***"Possessed"---In the breakdown,Prince mumbles "Boy,what you do to me".

***"Push"---Prince raps "I'm good 2 cream every boy and girl" (not quite sure what he means by "cream",but I remember a friend of mine insisting that it "proves he is bisexual"...lol...)

***"When You Were Mine"---Prince mentions that his lover's boyfriend is "sleeping in between the two of us" (Kurt Loder of MTV once described this song as "a menage a' trois gone wrong",but that seems like a stretch to me).


***"Jack U Off"---This song was already mentioned,but I just remembered something.In 1988,during the 'Lovesexy' tour,Prince would do this song and sing "GIRL,I'll Jack U Off".Clearly,he added the word "girl" so there would be no confusion about what he really means...lol...


***"The Stick" by The Time---Maybe I'm just hearing things,but near the end of the song,doesn't Morris say "Take it out,man"?
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Reply #2 posted 03/08/02 4:13am

Xenophobiac

rainbowchild said:

-In "If I Was Your Girlfriend" he sings:
And would U, would U let me kiss U there
U know, down there where it counts
I'll do it so good, I swear I'll drink every ounce
And then I'll hold U tight and hold U long

That last one always gets me hot just listening to it. I've often wondered if Prince has "experimented" with same sex. I wouldn't be surprised, of course, but just the thought is so hmmmmm.....



U can drink a woman 2, U know.....
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Reply #3 posted 03/08/02 4:43am

littleman

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There is not a single person on the org who is less gay than Prince is. Knowing him, he's probably homophobic.
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Reply #4 posted 03/08/02 6:13am

NataN

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Eye think the man is bi-sexual. Most other artists who’ve shown their feminine site, either in their songs or with their clothes and make-up and stuff, appeared to be bi-sexual. 4 example David Bowie, Mick Jagger and George Michael. And the other way around, Madonna.

Too bad for him he lives in a homophobic country like the US. When a celebrity announces he or she is bisexual or gay, it’s the talk of the day and headline news!! I can imagine that Prince, who’s avoiding the press anyway, isn’t looking forward to that.

So, Prince, if u read this, come to Holland… Here, no one gives a shit if ur bi-sexual hetero or gay. U can talk with Hans Dulfer about JW as much u like and meet ur girlfriends from Lois Lane again. And if u hook up with a nice guy, u can marry him if u want…(..)
U won’t be the first artist that comes to the Netherlands, although most of them came here 4 the possibility to buy marijuana legally. If ur interested and want 2 know more of our little country, u can call ur friend Lenny Kravitz.

Note: eye hope u understand that, let’s say, 1 show a month in Amsterdam will be part of the deal (mayb Lenny wants 2 join u)…
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Reply #5 posted 03/08/02 6:21am

DavidEye

That's one thing I LOVE about Madonna.With her,there is no mystery.She has admitted to sleeping with women,and with bisexual men.She has never been afraid of her sexuality,or has never tried to hide it.I'm NOT saying that Prince is a closet bi or anything,just that I like people who are "open" about who they are,and what they desire.
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Reply #6 posted 03/08/02 6:57am

rio

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..in 'partyman' he is actually saying 'yeah,what IT look like?' which is just another way of saying 'what it is?'...
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Reply #7 posted 03/08/02 9:37pm

Supernova

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rainbowchild said:

Is it just me or do some of Prince's lyrics seem to have gay connotations, intentional or not? Consider the following lyrics:
-In "I Would Die 4 U" he sings:
I'm not a woman, I'm not a man
I am something that you'll never understand.


That song is supposed to be about Jesus. "If you're evil I'll forgive you by and by....no need to worry, no need to cry, I'm your Messiah and you're the reason why..."


-In "If I Was Your Girlfriend" he sings:
And would U, would U let me kiss U there
U know, down there where it counts
I'll do it so good, I swear I'll drink every ounce
And then I'll hold U tight and hold U long


I thought all you Prince fans knew this. The lyrics to the song presuppose the protagonist having a relationship with his girlfriend that women usually have with their girlfriends. There's a different type of closeness that women have with each other that Prince is talking about. He seems to want that closeness ALONG WITH all the sexuality of a male/female relationship. This song isn't as simple as the title suggests. It can't be taken at face value.

Many song lyrics can't be taken at face value.
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #8 posted 03/09/02 9:49am

Antony7

'If I Was Your Girlfriend' ... he is talking about oral sex on a woman. He is 'drinking' her. He says 'We know how 2 make children, to make love'. How many men make children together? Question answered.

In 'When U Were Mine' the other lover is an analogy. He is hypothetically sleeping between the two them, because she is thinking of him.

In 'Annastesia' the taking of any 'boy of girl' enforces Prince's loneliness and confusion. 'Taking' is not necessarily sexual, although it can be read that way.

As for the 'boy' line, it is no different to saying 'boy, I'm hot' or 'boy, I'm horny'. They boy is not the addresse.

As for the 'Purple Party Mix' I always thought that it was Prince playing a character who was watching him. Rosie Gaines does this in 'Horny Pony'.

However, these are only my opinions.
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Reply #9 posted 03/09/02 10:59am

eelco

Pop life: 'We've only got one space to fill'
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Reply #10 posted 03/09/02 11:49am

NPD313

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Prince Is Good w/ me Gay, Bi or Straight!

He is A Genius, but whether he experimented or not! Thats his business PPL!

Stand Back and Give The Brothe his SPACE!
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Reply #11 posted 03/09/02 2:44pm

wasitgood4u

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In these contexts, it really surprises me that noone ever mentions:

"Curious Child"

I always thought it described an early experiment in Homosexuality (with Andre C. perhaps). AM i the only 1 who thought this?
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Reply #12 posted 03/09/02 3:04pm

Cornerman

I don't know why I'm taking the time to explain this...

rainbowchild said:

Is it just me or do some of Prince's lyrics seem to have gay connotations, intentional or not? Consider the following lyrics:
1) -In "I Would Die 4 U" he sings:
I'm not a woman, I'm not a man
I am something that you'll never understand.
2) -In "Anna Stetia" he sings:
Have U ever wanted 2 play with someone so much
U'd take any one boy or girl?
3) -In "Diamonds and Pearl"
If I gave U diamonds and pears
Would U be a happy boy or a girl
4) -In the song,"Jack U Off" we know he's singing this to a girl, but the term jacking off is more commonly associated with a man than a woman?
5) -In "If I Was Your Girlfriend" he sings:
And would U, would U let me kiss U there
U know, down there where it counts
I'll do it so good, I swear I'll drink every ounce
And then I'll hold U tight and hold U long

That last one always gets me hot just listening to it. I've often wondered if Prince has "experimented" with same sex. I wouldn't be surprised, of course, but just the thought is so hmmmmm.....


1 & 3 are songs sung from the point of view of God or Jesus. They are not gender biased because the love that is being spoken of is the love from the Messiah to all humans. "I'm not you're woman/not you're man" is a reflection of this. So is "would U b a happy boy /or a girl"

2 all he says is "play" - not "fuck" not "love" not "molest" he's as easily talking about being lonely for a friend as he is about sex.

4 If you can't jack a girl off - you need to bone up. (no pun intended)

5 As was said earlier "drinking" a woman actually makes as much if not more sense than "drinking" a man.

It seems we need some sex ed classes around here. & maybe some courses in musical/lyrical interpitation.
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Reply #13 posted 03/13/02 4:17pm

Fonkay31

The Gay community can find a Gay theme in a Bundy episode. I dont think so !
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Reply #14 posted 03/13/02 4:20pm

PFunkjazz

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Maybe not in his lyrics. Ya can debate that until the mancows come home but there's plenty in his outer image and stage persona to make ya pause and make say "WOTDAFUKK?"
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Reply #15 posted 03/14/02 2:05am

CmputrBlu

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Gay connotations in Prince's music???

Please don't remind him. Don't even bring them up. He might get the crazy idea to to remove them from his songs just like the curses.
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Reply #16 posted 03/14/02 4:57am

live4lovesexy

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I have never perceived any of Prince's music to have gay connotations. I suppose I can see how some people would get that impression, but I have never even had that thought.

And if he was gay or bi-sexual, I would still feel the same about his music. It really has nothing to do with it.
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Reply #17 posted 03/14/02 6:10am

Saxjedi

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I read that some critic described "Sometimes it snows in April" as homo-erotic. Fools! Look for the point!

Nope, his lyrics have never given me any reason to wonder. If anything they re-inforce his heterosexuality when he chooses to wear stuff like he did in SOTT (the policeman's hat was a step too far, lol)
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Reply #18 posted 03/14/02 6:23am

DavidEye

I'm surprised that nobody mentioned this...at the beginning of the "Gett Off" video,Prince is shown screaming as he gets "pounded" by Tony,Kirk and Damon.Yeah,I know it's just a dance routine and all,but some would argue that it looks "gay" (and didn't Prince do this on the MTV Video Awards,when he had on those ass-less pants?)
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Reply #19 posted 03/14/02 10:10am

TheResistor

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Joint 2 Joint...

Left speakers at home: Safe Sex...
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literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry
while getting it wrong fundamentally
down at the church of "look, it says right here, see!" - ani difranco
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Reply #20 posted 03/14/02 11:14am

Anxiety

I think when you listen to Prince's music, it's important to not confuse gender with sexual preference. The symbol he's used throughout his career, which became his name for a while, seemed to me to be a marriage of man and woman into a "new" gender (a new breed?), which may have been explained on Emancipation: "When the lines blur every boy and girl, how u gonna make it in this brave new world?"

Who knows what Prince's philosophy on all this gender-blending actually is, or if it's even something he's interested in anymore, post-JW. What seems clear to me from listening to Prince's lyrics all this time is, when he's written about having feminine energy (for lack of a better term), he's not so much referencing any potential desire for other men, but rather he's referencing a deeper connection with women.

I think this is a big reason that so many women have gone nutso for Prince over the years (just watch some of the ladies in the audience losing their minds over him in concert - yow!). Not only does he come across as seductive, but he gives off an aura of understanding what it's like to be a woman, and that he not only appreciates it but he's turned on by it. Not only does Prince know how to go down to Alphabet Street, but he knows how long it takes to make up your face (Did he say an hour? His face is red.).

There might be a "queer" interpretation of Prince's lyrics over the years, if you buy the definition of the word "queer" as meaning someone who lives outside the society-defined norms of gender and sexuality, rather than just same-sex desire. Patti Smith, who was the girlfriend of notoriously gay photographer Robert Mapplethorpe before his death, and who retired for years so she could marry Fred Smith and start a family, has said that she doesn't consider herself a feminist and liked to write songs from the perspective of a man. She certainly isn't a lesbian, but there's always been something particularly masculine about her - it's less about what she desired, and more about gender. (Note: her upcoming anthology features a cover of "When Doves Cry" - coincidence?)

Sure, there's been stuff sprinkled throughout Prince's lyrics over the years that raise questions about his sexuality - "Uptown", "Anna Stesia", etc. - but I think those references were thrown in more for the sake of building his mystique than anything else. Being a small, slight, doe-eyed little man in high heels and eye make-up, I'm sure being presumed gay has been a fact of life. Why not play around with the misconception?

Just some thoughts...
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Reply #23 posted 03/16/02 12:21am

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its a woman who raps about toms dicks and harrys in joint to joint.
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Reply #24 posted 03/16/02 12:38am

Anxiety

Fonkay31 said:

The Gay community can find a Gay theme in a Bundy episode. I dont think so !


Robert Reed, the guy who played Mr. Brady, was queer as a catfart.
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Reply #25 posted 03/16/02 12:34pm

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The most direct gay connotation is when the girl in Uptown says to him: "are you gay" and he says: "no R U". Or like he said in a Detroit concert: "no, is UR mama?"
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