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The aborted Crystal Ball Vol. II project and the 1980-1981 outtakes I was reading The Vault this morning, and reading through the unreleased tracks from 1980-1981, I was surprised how many of them were on the list for the Crystal Ball Vol. II project voted on by fans at the 2000 Celebration. I've seen the list of tracks before, but I never placed them as mostly from this era (tracks like American Jam, She's Just A Baby... etc.)
Could someone list all the proposed tracks that were voted on (since I don't see this in The Vault)? How come Prince, in 2000, was suddenly enthralled by his 1980-1981 period? | |
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booyah said: How come Prince, in 2000, was suddenly enthralled by his 1980-1981 period?
Cuz it was the shit!  The Normal Whores Club | |
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Adonis & Bathsheba American Jam Come Electra Tuesday Electric Intercourse Everybody Wants What They Don't Got Evolsidog Eye Wonder Girl Girl O' My Dreams Gotta Stop (Messin' About) If It'll Make U Happy Katrina's Paper Dolls Kiss (Unreleased Xtended Version) Love & Sex Lust U Always Others Here With Us She's Just A Baby Strange Way Of Saying Eye Love U Turn It Up U're All Eye Want Xtralovable . [This message was edited Tue Jul 27 10:44:43 2004 by BorisFishpaw] | |
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BorisFishpaw said: 3 Nigs Watchin' A Kung Fu Movie
Adonis & Bathsheba American Jam Come Electra Tuesday Electric Intercourse Everybody Wants What They Don't Got Evolsidog Eye Wonder Girl Girl O' My Dreams Gotta Stop (Messin' About) If It'll Make U Happy Katrina's Paper Dolls Kiss (Unreleased Xtended Version) Love & Sex Lust U Always Others Here With Us She's Just A Baby Strange Way Of Saying Eye Love U Turn It Up U're All Eye Want Xtralovable . [This message was edited Tue Jul 27 10:44:43 2004 by BorisFishpaw] Boris, o font of wisdom, do you know how far this project got? Did anything happen after the vote at the celebration? Were other tracks considered in addition to those listed for voting? Was this a 2CD set, 3CD...? Was there a different name for it other than Crystal Ball Vol. II? Were Girl and (Gotta Stop) Messin' About different than the B-sides? I'd love to see a full online resource with everything that's known about Prince's unreleased projects. I have no time right now, but if someone else wanted to do it I'd cheer them on  | |
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booyah said: I'd love to see a full online resource with everything that's known about Prince's unreleased projects. I have no time right now, but if someone else wanted to do it I'd cheer them on
It has crossed my mind, just because of the constant "what is the Camille/Crystal Ball tracklists?" questions that keep popping up. I registered a great domain name a while back, but I never got round to working on it, anyone got any ideas for stuff they'd like to see on a comprehensive online Prince FAQ? | |
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NouveauDance said: booyah said: I'd love to see a full online resource with everything that's known about Prince's unreleased projects. I have no time right now, but if someone else wanted to do it I'd cheer them on
It has crossed my mind, just because of the constant "what is the Camille/Crystal Ball tracklists?" questions that keep popping up. I registered a great domain name a while back, but I never got round to working on it, anyone got any ideas for stuff they'd like to see on a comprehensive online Prince FAQ? This probably seems redundant but a complete international discography, including single releases, would be nice. | |
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Hey! just looking at that list and it appears to be just randomly taken from his list of unreleased songs - It's in alphabetical order for one thing so this isn't an album sequence. It's like someone (prince maybe?) looked thru the list of vault tracks and quickly selected 23 songs from that list that sounded good. This leads me to believe it was never anything more than a list of randomly selected songs!
Although it does look rather tasty! | |
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NouveauDance said: I registered a great domain name a while back, but I never got round to working on it, anyone got any ideas for stuff they'd like to see on a comprehensive online Prince FAQ? The stuff about why the revolution broke up, the npg etc. | |
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gottagottagotta said: Hey! just looking at that list and it appears to be just randomly taken from his list of unreleased songs - It's in alphabetical order for one thing so this isn't an album sequence. It's like someone (prince maybe?) looked thru the list of vault tracks and quickly selected 23 songs from that list that sounded good.
It was selected by fans at the Celebration voting on which ones they wanted. Hence the "random" look and the alphabetical order | |
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Does anyone remember what other songs were on the list to choose from?
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SquirrelMeat said: Does anyone remember what other songs were on the list to choose from?
. That's the complete list. 22 songs, of which the top 17 were supposed to make it onto the album. Though from what I heard, Prince had virtually finished sequencing the album before he gave fans the chance to vote on the tracks (and anyway, how can you honestly vote for tracks that most people have never heard?) | |
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BorisFishpaw said: SquirrelMeat said: Does anyone remember what other songs were on the list to choose from?
. That's the complete list. 22 songs, of which the top 17 were supposed to make it onto the album. Though from what I heard, Prince had virtually finished sequencing the album before he gave fans the chance to vote on the tracks (and anyway, how can you honestly vote for tracks that most people have never heard?) Boris, was the album only a 17-track album, then, or were other tracks not on this list already 'lock-ins' for the album? | |
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booyah said: BorisFishpaw said: That's the complete list. 22 songs, of which the top 17 were supposed to make it onto the album. Though from what I heard, Prince had virtually finished sequencing the album before he gave fans the chance to vote on the tracks (and anyway, how can you honestly vote for tracks that most people have never heard?) Boris, was the album only a 17-track album, then, or were other tracks not on this list already 'lock-ins' for the album? It was going to be longer than 17 tracks, though I've heard conflicting rumors about it being another 30 track 3CD set, or just a 20 track 2CD set (I'm inclined to believe the 2CD theory, due to what I heard about 'how' it was gonna be released) | |
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Grrrrr!!
Boris do you what the reasoning was behind shelving this project? | |
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BorisFishpaw said: It was going to be longer than 17 tracks, though I've heard conflicting rumors about it being
another 30 track 3CD set, or just a 20 track 2CD set (I'm inclined to believe the 2CD theory, due to what I heard about 'how' it was gonna be released) "How" it was going to be released? Can you explain further? | |
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Great thread, but colour me totally out of the loop. What was this "Celebration 2000" gig? Can someone give some history and context to this discussion, plz? Thanks ahead of time! Much obliged!  The Only One with the Power to Save Us is Ourselves | |
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I remember voting at the 2000 Celebration, but it was for different projects. We had a list to choose from like: Should Prince's next release be A) A guitar driven record? B) A piano album? C) A release of Vault material?, etc.
Am I on crack? I swear that this was the vote. There was a table full of iMacs. Help me remember, somebody... If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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booyah said: "How" it was going to be released? Can you explain further?
Yeah, Boris, how was it going to be released? PLEASE explain!!!! This is one of those projects where it makes me want to cry just thinking about how close it came to being released.  No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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I know this track called "wonderful ass" ... man would I like to C that released one day 
to bad so sad | |
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squirrelgrease said: I remember voting at the 2000 Celebration, but it was for different projects. We had a list to choose from like: Should Prince's next release be A) A guitar driven record? B) A piano album? C) A release of Vault material?, etc.
Am I on crack? I swear that this was the vote. There was a table full of iMacs. Help me remember, somebody... You're not imagining things, you could indeed vote at the 2000 Celebration for what you wanted Prince's next album to be. There were 8 choices: 1. Crystal Ball II (you could pick 17 tracks from a list of 22 to be included on the final release) 2. Roadhouse Garden (Prince and the Revolution album) 3. Live Album (you could pick which era you wanted it to be from) 4. Rock Guitar Record 5. Madrid 2 Chicago (Smooth Jazz Album) 6. When 2 R In Love (Compilation of Ballads) 7. Collection Of Cover Versions 8. New Studio Album (you could pick what style of music you wanted it to be) If I remember rightly, the winner was 'Rock Guitar Record'... I wonder what happened to that! I certainly got the impression that the first 7 choices were pretty much already in the can when the vote took place. And of course, all them them are still gathering dust in the vault. [This message was edited Thu Jul 29 8:26:01 2004 by BorisFishpaw] | |
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BorisFishpaw said: squirrelgrease said: I remember voting at the 2000 Celebration, but it was for different projects. We had a list to choose from like: Should Prince's next release be A) A guitar driven record? B) A piano album? C) A release of Vault material?, etc.
Am I on crack? I swear that this was the vote. There was a table full of iMacs. Help me remember, somebody... You're not imagining things, you could indeed vote at the 2000 Celebration for what you wanted Prince's next album to be. There were 8 choices: 1. Crystal Ball II (you could pick 17 tracks from a list of 22 to be included on the final release) 2. Roadhouse Garden (Prince and the Revolution album) 3. Live Album (you could pick which era you wanted it to be from) 4. Rock Guitar Record 5. Madrid 2 Chicago (Smooth Jazz Album) 6. When 2 R In Love (Compilation of Ballads) 7. Collection Of Cover Versions 8. New Studio Album (you could pick what style of music you wanted it to be) If I remember rightly, the winner was 'Rock Guitar Record'... I wonder what happened to that! I certainly got the impression that the first 7 choices were pretty much already in the can when the vote took place. And of course, all them them are still gathering dust in the vault. [This message was edited Thu Jul 29 8:26:01 2004 by BorisFishpaw] No who in the duck would vote for the compilation of ballads over new music? I hope that came last in the voting... And Boris, how was Crystal Ball II going to be released? Through the NPGMC, perhaps? | |
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theblueangel said: booyah said: "How" it was going to be released? Can you explain further?
Yeah, Boris, how was it going to be released? PLEASE explain!!!! This is one of those projects where it makes me want to cry just thinking about how close it came to being released. From what I heard, the idea was that Crystal Ball II would be in-effect discs 4 & 5 of the (now) 5 disc set. The CD's would be shipped with cases for 'The Truth' and 'Kamasutra', plus a booklet for Crystal Ball which covered all 5 discs (hence why there was no booklet supplied with the original 5 disc version). This would only be available by mail/online order from NPG. The idea being that fans would already have the 5 disc round case version, and would replace The Truth & Kamasutra with Crystal Ball discs 4 & 5 and the new booklet. Then they could put their Kamasutra & The Truth discs into their new stand alone cases. There were also plans to release a video compilation of tracks from Crystal Ball, but like the Crystal Ball II CD, this was shelved. | |
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BorisFishpaw said: From what I heard, the idea was that Crystal Ball II would be in-effect discs 4 & 5 of the (now)
5 disc set. The CD's would be shipped with cases for 'The Truth' and 'Kamasutra', plus a booklet for Crystal Ball which covered all 5 discs (hence why there was no booklet supplied with the original 5 disc version). This would only be available by mail/online order from NPG. The idea being that fans would already have the 5 disc round case version, and would replace The Truth & Kamasutra with Crystal Ball discs 4 & 5 and the new booklet. Then they could put their Kamasutra & The Truth discs into their new stand alone cases. Hmm, I love that idea! I'd like to have official cases for The Truth and Kamasutra, and I'd like a real booklet for CB. I'm guessing that there would have been 20 tracks in total, then... Too bad it never happened...  | |
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Holy Shit!
I LOVE that idea, why oh why did this not come to fruition.  | |
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BorisFishpaw said: squirrelgrease said: I remember voting at the 2000 Celebration, but it was for different projects. We had a list to choose from like: Should Prince's next release be A) A guitar driven record? B) A piano album? C) A release of Vault material?, etc.
Am I on crack? I swear that this was the vote. There was a table full of iMacs. Help me remember, somebody... You're not imagining things, you could indeed vote at the 2000 Celebration for what you wanted Prince's next album to be. There were 8 choices: 1. Crystal Ball II (you could pick 17 tracks from a list of 22 to be included on the final release) 2. Roadhouse Garden (Prince and the Revolution album) 3. Live Album (you could pick which era you wanted it to be from) 4. Rock Guitar Record 5. Madrid 2 Chicago (Smooth Jazz Album) 6. When 2 R In Love (Compilation of Ballads) 7. Collection Of Cover Versions 8. New Studio Album (you could pick what style of music you wanted it to be) If I remember rightly, the winner was 'Rock Guitar Record'... I wonder what happened to that! I certainly got the impression that the first 7 choices were pretty much already in the can when the vote took place. And of course, all them them are still gathering dust in the vault. [This message was edited Thu Jul 29 8:26:01 2004 by BorisFishpaw] Thanks for that trip down memory lane. It's all coming back to me. I remember that Ballad Compilation being such a weird choice. As usual Boris, you came through! If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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booyah said:
I'd love to see a full online resource with everything that's known about Prince's unreleased projects. I have no time right now, but if someone else wanted to do it I'd cheer them on I thought this could potentially be a good addition for prince.org, and I posted a thread in site discussion awhile back about adding an area to the site where members could create pages to document prince-related knowledge: http://www.prince.org/msg/3/101822 A few people, including some mods, expressed interest, but I don't know if Ben ever saw it. If my idea sounds good, post a reply to that thread and maybe something will happen eventually... | |
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