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PrintableHandclapsfingasnapz said: Anji said: I remember reading Prince say something to that effect within an interview, or news piece, presented on the official boards at the club.
you positive about that? because for all i know folks coulda been making comments within whatever thread it was. and if it was said within an interview chances are that i woulda seen it here, but there's no such one. i don't believe you. The tour guide (Sam's wife or girfriend at the time) before playing us the cd at the "Rainbow Children" Celebration actually called it the new Lovesexy. I'm not sure if it came from Prince but she did tell us that the night before Prince had gathered all the tour guides together and played them the cd and told them to tell us certain things. Originally the plan was for the guides to do the question and answer sessions but soon Prince had to take over. . [This message was edited Tue Jul 20 10:37:17 2004 by lovemachine] | |
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FunkMistress said: Anji said: Perhaps it would be easier for you to digest if I included the word current within my last point:
"Given that The Rainbow Children was billed as the new Lovesexy, I think it's safe to assume the former reflects his current beliefs more accurately than the latter." Both are albums of a spiritual and religious nature. Given that one album is over 10 years older than the other, and that Prince himself has become a JW in the intervening period, I think it's safe to assume his more recent writings more accurately reflect his current beliefs. As to whether the spiritual vibe of Lovesexy still rings true for anyone, is really besides the point. We are discussing what the 'real deal' is according to Prince. I should also say that I don't perceive The Rainbow Children to be promoting completely alternative or opposite views to Lovesexy, as many people do. If anything, I see TRC as a maturing and defining record; an extension, as opposed to a replacement. So what you're saying is, an album recorded in 2001 was better at expressing beliefs he held in 2001 than an album recorded in 1988?  Agreed! See ya.
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Before playing The Rainbow Children at the listening party in 2001, the staff was asked to describe The Rainbow Children for the attendees. It was described as being along the lines of "Lovesexy" and "Sign O' The Times" - without restrictions. They said Prince felt he had 'held back' on "Lovesexy".
I would take that to mean Prince did not fullfill his vision on "Lovesexy" in a way that felt complete to him. Whether you want to call that immature or underdeveloped or place some other value judgement on it is irrelevant. The fact remains that Prince feels he is capturing more 'truth' on The Rainbow Children. Y'all need to get over your defensive posture surrounding the spiritual vibe of 'Lovesexy'. Each of us individually, took our own special little messages from it, because it's content was just vague enough to appeal to anyone's imagination and fit into whatever philosophical belief we needed to hear at the time. The fact is Prince is more a mature man in this decade than he was in the 80s, so even though "Lovesexy" was a wonderful project, it does not outclass The Rainbow Children simply because the message of Lovesexy is more appealing to the masses. [This message was edited Tue Jul 20 12:39:33 2004 by Jestyr] | |
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I remember some report where a few guys were sitting on a couch in London, when he reportedly said: "it worries me when I see five guys and no girls".
I was at the concert in Milan during the one night alone tour, where someguy called him "dear" and he remarked he didn't like that. That seemed a bit homophobic to me. | |
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rudedog said: Anji said: The concept of Lovesexy appears to be about euphoric feeling. It's very simply executed in terms of his beliefs. The Rainbow Children seems much more defined in terms of how his beliefs have evolved, and what his specifics are. To say that you'll throw on Lovesexy to get the 'real deal', seems strange in that respect. If anything, I would imagine Prince views Lovesexy as an immature, uninformed version of The Rainbow Children.
I hope this isn't YOUR personal opinion of Lovesexy. Immature and Uninformed Lovesexy is not. It's "general" in its concepts of spirituality yes...AS IT SHOULD BE. When we get into specifics of it, we get "religion" which a terrible concept. Kevin Smith said it best, "its better to have an idea than a belief....idea can be changed, while a belief is a little harder", hence why we have so much division in religions. He does give definitions of "wrong" and "right", "bad" and "good", "heaven" and "hell" which is definitely spiritually uplifting. It tells you that there is something out there that is much more than yourself. I wouldn't call it immature or uniformed just cause its not preaching a certain religion. Singing "Save me Jesus, I've been a fool How could I forget that U are the rule U are my God I am Your child..." is by no means general in concept. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Anji said: HiinEnkelte said: imagine away! lovesexy ain't an uniformed or immature version of anything, and it sure ain't an inferior version of the rainbow children. one could easily imagine it the other way around. It is quite possible that you yourself, HiinEnkelte, might reflect and describe something you wrote about and believed in 15 years ago, to be immature and uninformed compared to what you've learned and experienced since then. Perhaps, it's just a growth process. true, but i could also look at those old writings and say, "what's happened to me? i used to be so cool! man, i've just let myself get narrow-minded, fearful, lazy, and tired in the last few years" a person may have been a more mature, thoughful, spiritual person at 30 than at 60 years old. age and the 'experience' it brings doesn't necessarily mean you know what to do with that experience. perhaps you miss the meaning of it. perhaps you get more jaded, scared, disillusioned, desperate, hopeless, selfish. etc.etc Welcome to the New World Odor and
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lovemachine said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: you positive about that? because for all i know folks coulda been making comments within whatever thread it was. and if it was said within an interview chances are that i woulda seen it here, but there's no such one. i don't believe you. The tour guide (Sam's wife or girfriend at the time) before playing us the cd at the "Rainbow Children" Celebration actually called it the new Lovesexy. I'm not sure if it came from Prince but she did tell us that the night before Prince had gathered all the tour guides together and played them the cd and told them to tell us certain things. Originally the plan was for the guides to do the question and answer sessions but soon Prince had to take over. . [This message was edited Tue Jul 20 10:37:17 2004 by lovemachine] yeah, and 'gold' was the new 'purple rain'. ahhhh. i do LOVE 'gold', though. but the new purple rain? huh, i don't think so. . [This message was edited Tue Jul 20 13:03:12 2004 by HiinEnkelte] Welcome to the New World Odor and
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hjd said: I remember some report where a few guys were sitting on a couch in London, when he reportedly said: "it worries me when I see five guys and no girls".
I was at the concert in Milan during the one night alone tour, where someguy called him "dear" and he remarked he didn't like that. That seemed a bit homophobic to me. UM MAYBE HE JUST LIKE GIRL AROUND! HEY POOK NOT WANT RANDOM GUY CALLING POOK DEAR EITHER P o o |/, P o o |\ | |
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HiinEnkelte said: Anji said: Uninformed and immature do not necessarily have to have negative connotations.
It is quite possible that you yourself, HiinEnkelte, might reflect and describe something you wrote about and believed in 15 years ago, to be immature and uninformed compared to what you've learned and experienced since then. Perhaps, it's just a growth process. true, but i could also look at those old writings and say, "what's happened to me? i used to be so cool! man, i've just let myself get narrow-minded, fearful, lazy, and tired in the last few years" a person may have been a more mature, thoughful, spiritual person at 30 than at 60 years old. age and the 'experience' it brings doesn't necessarily mean you know what to do with that experience. perhaps you miss the meaning of it. perhaps you get more jaded, scared, disillusioned, desperate, hopeless, selfish. etc.etc i definitely miss the ol' HiinEnkelte -- he was so cool. and he always said, 'ain't never gonna cut my hair.' he always said, 'i ain't afraid of shit.' but now? sheesh, now it's all different. think it ain't? short hair...fear and trembling...settling down... | |
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Anji said: The concept of Lovesexy appears to be about euphoric feeling. It's very simply executed in terms of his beliefs. The Rainbow Children seems much more defined in terms of how his beliefs have evolved, and what his specifics are. To say that you'll throw on Lovesexy to get the 'real deal', seems strange in that respect. If anything, I would imagine Prince views Lovesexy as an immature, uninformed version of The Rainbow Children.
i don't kno nothin bout no rainbow children i aint got it yet. but lovesexy is the 1 til my day is done! Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: Anji said: I remember reading Prince say something to that effect within an interview, or news piece, presented on the official boards at the club.
you positive about that? because for all i know folks coulda been making comments within whatever thread it was. and if it was said within an interview chances are that i woulda seen it here, but there's no such one. i don't believe you. See Jestyr's post. | |
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Supernova said: rudedog said: I hope this isn't YOUR personal opinion of Lovesexy. Immature and Uninformed Lovesexy is not. It's "general" in its concepts of spirituality yes...AS IT SHOULD BE. When we get into specifics of it, we get "religion" which a terrible concept. Kevin Smith said it best, "its better to have an idea than a belief....idea can be changed, while a belief is a little harder", hence why we have so much division in religions. He does give definitions of "wrong" and "right", "bad" and "good", "heaven" and "hell" which is definitely spiritually uplifting. It tells you that there is something out there that is much more than yourself. I wouldn't call it immature or uniformed just cause its not preaching a certain religion. Singing "Save me Jesus, I've been a fool How could I forget that U are the rule U are my God I am Your child..." is by no means general in concept. | |
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katt said: Anji said: So is Prince 'cool' with gay people again? Given the lyrics to United States Of Division. Anji, Could u post Prince's Lyrics or any recent interviews by him showing that he was not ok with gay ppl, cause i can only find one and that was a verry long time ago. . | |
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HiinEnkelte said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: no it wasn't. it might've been tagged that by some folks within the fanbase, but no, it isn't or wasn't. word up. | |
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Jestyr said: Before playing The Rainbow Children at the listening party in 2001, the staff was asked to describe The Rainbow Children for the attendees. It was described as being along the lines of "Lovesexy" and "Sign O' The Times" - without restrictions. They said Prince felt he had 'held back' on "Lovesexy".
Thanks for your input, Jess. What I find suprising is how many fans just did not 'get' or 'embrace' Lovesexy when it came out, and yet have since decided it's the album he's most embracing on.
I would take that to mean Prince did not fullfill his vision on "Lovesexy" in a way that felt complete to him. Whether you want to call that immature or underdeveloped or place some other value judgement on it is irrelevant. The fact remains that Prince feels he is capturing more 'truth' on The Rainbow Children. Y'all need to get over your defensive posture surrounding the spiritual vibe of 'Lovesexy'. Each of us individually, took our own special little messages from it, because it's content was just vague enough to appeal to anyone's imagination and fit into whatever philosophical belief we needed to hear at the time. The fact is Prince is more a mature man in this decade than he was in the 80s, so even though "Lovesexy" was a wonderful project, it does not outclass The Rainbow Children simply because the message of Lovesexy is more appealing to the masses. . [This message was edited Wed Jul 21 7:22:44 2004 by Anji] | |
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hjd said: I was at the concert in Milan during the one night alone tour, where someguy called him "dear" and he remarked he didn't like that. That seemed a bit homophobic to me.
I was there as well and IMO it was just a joke judging from the way he was saying it. However I think that Prince is homophobic these days  With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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Anji said: katt said: Anji, Could u post Prince's Lyrics or any recent interviews by him showing that he was not ok with gay ppl, cause i can only find one and that was a verry long time ago. . Ok 
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Serious said: hjd said: I was at the concert in Milan during the one night alone tour, where someguy called him "dear" and he remarked he didn't like that. That seemed a bit homophobic to me.
I was there as well and IMO it was just a joke judging from the way he was saying it. However I think that Prince is homophobic these days hold up..aint one of the lisa and wendy chicks gay? Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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Hey where can I hear "United states of division"? Those R sum Powerful lyrics! | |
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Serious said:[quote] hjd said: I was at the concert in Milan during the one night alone tour, where someguy called him "dear" and he remarked he didn't like that. That seemed a bit homophobic to me.
Classic reaction from closet gay people... And believe me, I know some... Whatever I like his music "America is a continent..." |
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I was there as well and IMO it was just a joke judging from the way he was saying it. However I think that Prince is homophobic these days [/quote]
hold up..aint one of the lisa and wendy chicks gay?[/quote] ***** They're both gay and have been in a relationship together until recently. Ain't gonna reveal my source...
My two cents: If Prince is a Jehovah's Witness (why?!!) then he's not going to be for homosexuality or condone it. I do think that from the context of what he sings about that he wants everyone to just get along. And... if Wendy and Lisa are hanging out with him again and playing shows then there's obviously a connection there and respect regardless of whether or not Lisa and Wendy are lesbionic. I think he's cool with it (as in you do your thing and I'll do mine and we can all get along), but if you asked him I bet he wouldn't say that he thought all of the gays are going to the same place he thinks Jehovah's Witness' are going... which is sad. H. | |
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Thyrsus said: I was there as well and IMO it was just a joke judging from the way he was saying it. However I think that Prince is homophobic these days
hold up..aint one of the lisa and wendy chicks gay?[/quote] ***** They're both gay and have been in a relationship together until recently. Ain't gonna reveal my source...
My two cents: If Prince is a Jehovah's Witness (why?!!) then he's not going to be for homosexuality or condone it. I do think that from the context of what he sings about that he wants everyone to just get along. And... if Wendy and Lisa are hanging out with him again and playing shows then there's obviously a connection there and respect regardless of whether or not Lisa and Wendy are lesbionic. I think he's cool with it (as in you do your thing and I'll do mine and we can all get along), but if you asked him I bet he wouldn't say that he thought all of the gays are going to the same place he thinks Jehovah's Witness' are going... which is sad. H.[/quote] what is sad? that he says that? or that all go together to the same place? :boof2: "America is a continent..." |
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I'm not totaly sure Prince isn't at least partially gay himself.
I had no clue that Prince wasn't cool with gay people? | |
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what is sad?
that he says that? or that all go together to the same place? :boof2:[/quote] Well obviously that as a Jehovah's Witness and Christian he would possibly say that he would be going to a different afterlife...than all of them gays. Ya hear. | |
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AsianBomb777 said: I'm not totaly sure Prince isn't at least partially gay himself.
I had no clue that Prince wasn't cool with gay people? Well my thoughts exactly... it all just seems weird to me that someone seemingly so cool and down with being who you are would have an issue with it. He was on Oprah years ago talking about having another person inside of him - and that it was female. That doesn't necessarily make you're gay, but...hello. So you would that that he was cool with it. Then you hear about or read things that he says in interviews and it's just kinda weird. Like the 'Dear' comment that he made at the Milan show that someone posted about earlier.. or his recent interview in Enterainment Weekly where he talks about hanging out with Stevie Wonder. Stevie Wonder had Prince hold his hand so he could see/feel what it was like to be blind and play music. Prince's comment was that it made him uncomfortable to hold another man's hand??!! As in 'wow, I'm holding another dude's hand'...huh? I would expect that from some redneck in Texas, but not someone jumping around in a black thong singing about sexuality. Who knows... I guess the only person that really does know are those close to him. Blah blah blah. | |
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Thyrsus said: AsianBomb777 said: I'm not totaly sure Prince isn't at least partially gay himself.
I had no clue that Prince wasn't cool with gay people? Well my thoughts exactly... it all just seems weird to me that someone seemingly so cool and down with being who you are would have an issue with it. He was on Oprah years ago talking about having another person inside of him - and that it was female. That doesn't necessarily make you're gay, but...hello. So you would that that he was cool with it. Then you hear about or read things that he says in interviews and it's just kinda weird. Like the 'Dear' comment that he made at the Milan show that someone posted about earlier.. or his recent interview in Enterainment Weekly where he talks about hanging out with Stevie Wonder. Stevie Wonder had Prince hold his hand so he could see/feel what it was like to be blind and play music. Prince's comment was that it made him uncomfortable to hold another man's hand??!! As in 'wow, I'm holding another dude's hand'...huh? I would expect that from some redneck in Texas, but not someone jumping around in a black thong singing about sexuality. Who knows... I guess the only person that really does know are those close to him. Blah blah blah. yea it is kinda shockin 2 hear the king of "free" say stuff like that. but i guess it all goes along wit his new beliefs which 2 me is sad bcuz i don't think n e thing should make u stop wantin 2 b who u r and wantin others to feel the same way. Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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2004...still at war and everybody hates americans flying in an aeroplane with pen in hand over miles and miles of deep blue wondering if it was all part of a master plan forget the one and become two how could your brother hear the same music yet somehow dance to a different tune i guess that once you go divide this precious land this precious land will divide you sang do do do do-do-doo do-do-do-do do-do-doo do do do do-do-doo, doo everybody stop fighting do do do do-do-doo do-do-do-do do-do-doo do do do do-do-doo, doo everybody make love driving a brand new cadillac in my neighborhood everything still looks the same everything except the fact i wish i could take away all the hurt and pain we let "Superfly" straighten up our curly hair we took the afro out the game it's kinda cool but the guns and drugs too much to bear ten years later "Scarface" came sing the hook do do do do-do-doo do-do-do-do do-do-doo do do do do-do-doo, doo everybody stop fighting do do do do-do-doo do-do-do-do do-do-doo do do do do-do-doo, doo everybody make love (bridge) the united state of mind will never be divided the real definition of unity is one people can slam their door, disagree and fight it how you gonna love the father but not love the son united states of division walking down the street no flag in hand no stars and stripes, no claim to land no crescent moon, just a holy man, holy man how far from heaven must we go before the winds of change will blow and show this world how it's supposed to be land of peace and harmony c'mon everybody stop fighting everybody make love everybody stop fighting united states of division people can slam their door, disagree and fight it how you gonna love the father but not love the son united states of division black division white division straight division gay division christian division muslim why must i sing god bless america but not the rest of the world (oh say can you see) i love my country, but i love god more every man woman boy and girl can you sing with me do do do do-do-doo (c'mon) do-do-do-do do-do-doo (everybody) do do do do-do-doo, doo everybody stop fighting (put your gun down) do do do do-do-doo (hey) do-do-do-do do-do-doo (everybody gather 'round) do do do do-do-doo, doo (gather 'round) everybody make love do do do do-do-doo do-do-do-do do-do-doo (talk to me) do do do do-do-doo, doo (what is this rush to declare war) everybody stop fighting (what we fighting for) do do do do-do-doo (hey) do-do-do-do do-do-doo (oh) do do do do-do-doo, doo (tell me baby) everybody make love talkin to the united states united states united states of division everybody make music everybody make love [/quote] Wow. I haven't heard the song, but what beautiful lyrics. I never cease to be amazed by how often I agree with that man. | |
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Honeslty, I don't think he ever was 'uncool' with them to begin with... | |
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I read a book last year called "Possessed: The Rise and Fall of Prince". I don't know how true this book is but it listed tons of ex protegees as sources.
In the book it mentioned that Lisa and Wendy were lovers and had been for years. The book said Lisa and Wendy were bitching one day and Prince yelled "Look you fucking lesbians, you're going to burn in hell for your lifestyle". It mentioned somewhere else in the book that years later, an ex Revolution member went to Paisley Park to discuss a possible reunion of the Revolution. The book said the ex band member entered to find Prince and Larry Graham having a homophobic discussion and Prince was saying "There will never be a reunion of the Revolution until Lisa and Wendy renounce publicly their lifestyle". The book said the ex band member left there and said he didn't care if he ever saw Prince again. When I read this it made me sick as hell. I did notice that the author could not get Lisa or Wendy to give him an interview. Nevertheless, this made me look at Prince differently until I saw Wendy with him on Tavis Smiley and heard she performed with Prince at the Essence Festival. This kind of makes me wonder about the credibility of this book. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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