IF this wild and wonderful piece of work had been released, were there to be any tracks from 'Emancipation' included?

And how about that b-side "Rock N Roll Is Alive (And It Lives In Minneapolis)?"

Just trying to get a grip on this opus!!!

Ya know, Sparky, I was thinkin' the same thing.

But, if I had to guess, maybe:

"Somebody's Somebody"
"Slave"
"New World"
"Face Down"
&
"Emancipation"

could've been included

but, maybe not

nayroo2002 said:

You forgot "Rock N Roll Is Alive (And It Lives In Minneapolis)", dumbass!

nayroo2002 said:

Oh, yeah!

I forgot the last jammin' b-side he ever released!

My bad

I ahev artwork for this thing called "The Dawn" i dont know what the fuck it's supposed 2 be though other than a story about how Prince and Myte got 2gether...

Is it supposed 2 b an album 2?

:confused:

..."Welcome 2 The Dawn" - From the 4thcoming album The Dawn...

is there a tracklist for this album?

paisleypark4 said:

The picture you posted looks like the opening screen of thedawn.com, which was Prince's first official website. It opened on February 14, 1996, the day he married Mayte, and it contained that story, IIRC.

squirrelgrease said:

damn i still have so many of those boarders tape giveaways ... just collecting dust. i need to toss em, don't even have a tape player anymore.

squirrelgrease said:

always assumed it was a misprint. should say, "the truth"

Ok thanx, that would explain the internet pictures part of it

fms said:

Actually, just another aborted project.

Jhasten said:

Am I to understand that "Welcome 2 The Dawn" is on this cassette?

Was it that (acoustic version) from 'The Truth' or a different one?

nayroo2002 said:

Yes, it's the same acoustic version that later appeared on 'The Truth'. When this cassette was
released Prince was planning to release 'The Dawn' as his next album (after Emancipation).
This was about the third time he'd assembled an album called 'The Dawn' ready for release,
but then shelved it.

BorisFishpaw said:

My guess is that he'd planned on the 'original' full version of Welcome 2 The Dawn being included on The Dawn, and the Acoustic Version being included on The Truth - perhaps this is why on The Truth album, W2TD is the only track to include "(Acoustic Version)" after the title.

Not that any of the tracks on The Truth are fully acoustic, but that's a different story...

We can take pretty good guesses on some of the tracks included on The Dawn (1986) and The Dawn (1993/1994), but I have very little idea what might have been included on The Dawn (1997) - any ideas? I wonder if he'll ever decide to assemble a new one?

ok

so back to my first question:

were there any tracks that showed up on 'Emancipation' intended first for 'The Dawn' (93/94)?

was "Rock N Roll Is Alive (and it lives in Minneapolis)" also to be on it?

alright, 2 ?'s

nayroo2002 said:

Not sure about Emancipation tracks (I doubt it, though, as they are mostly Prince and Kirk, as opposed to Prince and the '94-'95 NPG, with some exceptions - BBGW, One Of Us, Saviour...), but R'N'R Is Alive was recorded in late '95 as a response to Lenny Kravitz's then-hit single Rock 'N' Roll Is Dead. So I think it was recorded too late for The Dawn, and was considered a one-off novelty track good for a b-side but not an album.

nayroo2002 said:

Short answer... nobody knows. We can only speculate.

Emancipation was mostly made up of new tracks, so there probaby weren't many (or any) tracks
from it on the '94 'The Dawn'. The only track that springs to mind is 'Somebody's Somebody' as
that WAS from the 'gold' era. As for 'Rock N Roll Is Alive', well we just don't know, but I doubt
it as it was recorded quite late on, and grew out of a jam that came out of playing 'Get Wild'
live.

One thought that did occur to me about 'The Dawn' (94), was that maybe it wouldn't have been
all Prince-sung tracks, maybe it would've been like 'Graffiti Bridge' with all the songs being
written and played mostly by Prince, but with some of them featuring other band mambers on
lead vocals. This is pure speculation, but around that time Prince seemed to be intent on pushing
his proteges etc. The Dawn concert also featured a lot of guests taking over the mic as well. So
maybe he intended on breaking up the album by having 'guest vocals' from Mayte, Nona Gaye,
Sonny or Rosie etc? It's just a thought.
[This message was edited Fri Jul 16 8:55:47 2004 by BorisFishpaw]

Thank You, Booya!

It's nice to know that there are other people to converse with!

that bit about Lenny is interresting.

I was just wondering, if I was to try and assemble 'The Dawn' as accurately as possible, what else there would be to add other than 'TGE' and 'Come'?
I gather that several tracks from 'CB' were also included(ie."Hide The Bone","Days Of Wild","The Ride",etc)
but, surely, there were more?

Thank You, too, Boris!

Would it be safe to say that some tracks from 'Exodus' could've been included? Perhaps "Count The Days"? Was it you that also said that "Johnny" from 'GN' was in the mix at some point?

nayroo2002 said:

Johnny was featured a lot early on, but by mid '93 it had been given to the NPG's Goldnigga
album. Though having said that, Goldnigga itself was formed out of offcuts of previously
unreleased Prince and the NPG tracks. 'Call The Law' had already been released as the b-side
to 'Money Don't Matter 2night' and 'Black MF In The House' was originally going to be the b-side
to 'Sexy MF'. Prince was playing 'Johnny' alongside a lot of 'Come' tracks live around that time
too.

It's also interesting to notice that the heartbeat that ends 'Chaos And Disorder' is exactly the
same as the one that starts Mayte's 'The Rhythm Of Your Heart', so maybe these 2 tracks were
segued together at some point. Plus the original version of 'However Much U Want' feautures
Prince's vocals much more prominently than the stripped down released version.

BorisFishpaw said:

Really? Very cool - never knew that... Boris, you are a mine of information. Do you know any more? Was it the same version as was released? This was over a year earlier, and more of a Prince project, so maybe not (of course, Call The Law was the same). Why was it dropped and replaced by Strollin'? To give a radio-friendly track to make up for Sexy MF?

booyah said:

No idea whether it was the same version or not, as I never heard it at that time. Since 'Call The
Law' was identical on 'Goldnigga' and as a b-side, I'd guess it was the same too. It was listed as
the b-side on Warners release schedule prior to Sexy MF's release. I can remember assuming
at the time that it was just gonna be some kinda distantly-related remix of Sexy MF (due to the
MF in the title), like 'Violet The Organ Grinder' was to 'Gett Off' or 'Do Your Dance' was to 'Cream'.
Then when I finally heard the track when it was released on Goldnigga, I was pleasantly
surprised that a) it was a totally original song, and b) it was extremely good (and funny).

So, Boris,
you're giving me hints, here, i see

then, there would've also been tracks that later appeared on 'Child Of The Sun' included?

I guess i better pay better attention to fade outs/ins and segues, eh?

alot of Prince's albums seem to be spliced together from previous projects, now that you mention it.

I'm gonna go out on a limb, here, and say that the last two "full" albums (TRC & Musicology) were the last records that include exactly what was intended.

i mean to say, no left-overs from other projects.

maybe.

TRC seems that way, to me anyways