Heidi said:

You don't honestly believe that if somebody gets married they're not gay, do you? I'm not saying this is the case with Prince, but I know plenty of gay men who got married, because they were closeted.

RipHer2Shreds said:

yup yup..they're called "down lows" or "men on the down low" watch oprah.

dawntreader said:

Whether you agree with it or not, not everyone feels that people are born gay.

Do you guys think that,in the early days of Prince's career,he probably liked the fact that people were questioning his sexuality? Perhaps he liked the idea of sending mixed signals and confusing people (examples: dressing in flamboyant,decidedly "gay" fashions,while singing explciit lyrics about heterosexual sex).It seems like a marketing gimmick and one that really paid off for him.
[This message was edited Thu Jul 15 5:06:39 2004 by DavidEye]

lezama said:

Some of us are trying to f*ck him....












































j/k
[This message was edited Thu Jul 15 5:07:29 2004 by PurpleCharm]

PurpleCharm said:

all the gay people i know (including myself) say that they feel they were. introduce me to the gay people you know that don't think so, because i'd like to discuss it with them !

First, we have to remember that back in the day when Prince was wearing lace and ruffles all over the place, it was the 80's and men dressed like women and women dressed like men. He took it to the extreme, but that is just his style and how he is. That doesn't explain the leather underwear under trenchcoats, but he wasn't a music icon then, either...

I also overheard someone explain Prince's effeminity this way (paraphrased):

Smaller men appear to be effeminate. Short men that try to look masculine look ridiculous; think "Napoleon Complex". If a short man tries to build himself up and bulk up at the gym, he looks dumb in most cases. So, it is to the advantage of the smaller man to embrace the feminity of their size, and work with it, so they can be incredibly sexy instead of looking incredibly ridiculous.

It was a straight man I heard explain it this way. I don't know that I really agree with all of it, but it is a point, I guess!

dawntreader said:

I am not trying to debate the issue, I am just stating that not everyone shares the same belief regarding homosexuality as you do. That will never change..

Moonwalkbjrain said:

Well, not all of them are called that, but that's an entirely different subject to debate. That term was around long before that clown went on Oprah to talk about his dumb book.

PurpleCharm said:

well maybe it will if we speak up against it !
(i can be idealistic can't i )

no really, too bad for them !

misterman said:

Because people often make assumptions about things or people they don't understand.

dawntreader said:

Man... Now who's making assumptions!

For you to believe that ALL practicing homosexuals were born that way makes you automaticaly wrong... There is always exceptions.

Maybe we need to agree that there are 2 different homosexuals...

1. Gay - Maybe born that way, maybe a genetic/hormone thing, or maybe a childhood/traumatic syndrome thing... all from which make them who they are today.

2. Practicing - Someone who experiments or is somewhat attracted too certain people of the same sex.



I talk at length with my gay boss and gay co-worker about this all the time. They even say it's true... In fact, they both have chilhood traumatic factors that they even believe swayed them the other way.

As far as P... He's comfortable being in touch with his Fem side... Gemini.

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The truth of the matter is none of us knows if he's gay or not. I just hope for the sake of his girlfriends/wives he's not. I mean gay men marry women all the time as a poster previously stated. Singing about women, seeming obsessed with women, having a relationship with them and being religious has nothing to do with the fact that a flamboyantly eccentric man isn't gay.

As for me I personally hope he isn't. The whole Prince thing is about being yourself and being what's not expected of the rest of the world. The idea that he's androgynous is a big selling point to many of his fans, straight, gay or curious.

misterman said:

Beats me, if I behave like that and dress like him, no one would say I'm a lesbian
Some people are so narrow minded about everything. Does it even matter what the man likes? As long as he likes making music the way he does it's all ok by me

I DON'T BELEIVE THAT HE IS GAY, BUT GAY OR NOT WHO CARES, HE IS STILL "THE MAN"

bcuz ppl r delusional

Moonwalkbjrain said:

oh, lawd.....

i hate that stupid term in reference to african american men who are afraid to come out, yet still wanna get their rocks off. have some guts for chrissakes.

ocadv said:

Ummmm...no. Childhood trauma does not cause homosexuality. It's not a side effect of anything.


Your boss and coworker do not speak for every gay person. You might wanna talk at length with some other gay people that might be a little more in touch with their sexuality. I'm really generalizing I realize and I don't know your co-workers, but if somebody believes a traumatic event caused them to be gay, something's up. It might have made them realize that they're gay or give them the impetus to come out, but again -- it's not a side effect.

In short I don't believe there are two types of homosexuals. Strike that. I do -- those who are out and those who are closeted. Maybe you mean there are varying degress of sexuality in general?

Your boss and co-worker seem to be in the vast minority actually....I don't know if I've ever heard a gay person say that it was caused by a childhood trauma.

I think it's hilarious how you talk to 2 (count 'em, 2!!!!) people in the whole wide world (extensively, even!!) and since they say they're gay because of a childhood trauma that makes it so.

Whatever. May I ask what the trauma was?

theblueangel said:

Pre-natal exposure to Yoko Ono, I'm guessing. That'd be traumatic.

misterman said:

Pre judice.
Simple.
People sticking to what they know. It's safe.

One of the reasons I like coming back here is that I keep meeting people that are open minded and loving.

Good combi.

gooeythehamster said:

I see what you mean, but it doesn't necessarily mean prejudice. If you're assuming he's gay and meaning that to be a bad thing, then maybe.

Prince aint' gay.

Prince is hardly the first person in music to present a sexually ambiguous image. Shit it's been going on since Little Richard, not to mention David Bowie! (whoops I just did!! )
I think Prince started this confusion in the Dirty Mind era purposely to get noticed by the music press then just carried it through.

mrdespues said:

I DON'T THINK PRINCE IS GAY, BUT THIS PICTURE SAYS:

MY NAME IS PEACHES, AND I'M EXTRA GAY!

LAWD HAVE MERCY!

Chances are, Prince isn't gay. Most people figure LBGT's make up about 10 per cent of the population, so regardless of his behaviour there's really only a one in ten chance of him being gay or bisexual. I happen to think he's maybe bisexual, but if he is, he's certainly not open about it. Which is kind of sad, if he is and he thinks he needs to hide like that.

As far as the other points go:

His androgyny: This proves nothing for either side of the argument. It's just damn cool. He's pretty and not afraid to show it off! Gay or straight, that takes balls!

His women: He sings about straight sex all the time, he's gone out with/slept with dozens of girls and women, and he's been married twice. All this means he's probably straight, but not necessarily. Like a few others have pointed out, plenty of gay and bi men get married or sleep around with women to "prove" their masculinity and hide who they really are. Rock Hudson ring a bell?

He's small: Since when is stature a way to judge someone's sexual orientation?

He's more open than most guys about sexuality: So what? I should think this would be considered a good thing. There'd be a lot less homophobia and sexism if more people had attitudes like this.

His religious beliefs: A lot of gay people are very religious, and a lot are still faithful to the church they grew up in, or even one (like P.) that they joined later in life. Going to certain church or belonging to a strict religion (even one with anti-gay teachings) doesn't say anything about a person's sexuality anymore than which coffee shop they visit. Besides, I get the impression P.'s not exactly following every single rule the JW's are supposed to, anyway.





But why does the public think he's gay? That's easy. He fits a lot of people's images of what a gay man is.










BTW, I think he seems a lot "gayer" (stereotypically) with his current look than he has in a long time.
[This message was edited Thu Jul 15 16:23:57 2004 by meow85]

misterman said:

if prince was from europe

would we be having this discussion?

america has put expectations

and boundaries on black male sexuality

for centuries

prince never fit neatly into

anyone's category

breaking down stereotypes

across all fields has always

been his unique draw

sumtymes said:

Huh? Are you saying European=gayer? NO. Men are a bit more comfortable expressing affection in Europe, if that's what you mean, but the anti-gay prejudice is relatively constant all over the world.

Where I come from, these bastards are called "trade". They are physically attracted to women but they will let a man suck their dick or will fuck a man up the ass. Hey, an orgasm is an orgasm, whether it comes from a man or a woman, it still feels the same. They think because they are not the one sucking or getting fucked, then they are straight. I've got news for the bastards. A gay person cannot be gay alone. It takes two to tango. What they really are is bisexual but they will not admit it to themselves.

If you ask them their "TEE" (preference), they will say straight. If that's the case, why do they keep the fact that a man sucked their dick a secret?! When they brag to their friends about all the women they have been with, why don't they tell them about the men too?

Prince is FAR from trade. Trade would never be caught dead looking feminine. Trade is more masculine than a straight man. All these "ganstas" you see....the majority of them are trade. Straight men don't walk around with a "tough" image all the damn time. Trade has something to prove and something to hide.

Before the hip hop phenomena, gay people could spot trade out just by looking like them. They dressed and acted just like these hip hop males. Now that hip hop has dominated the charts, it is getting harder and harder to point out trade because they have straight men looking like them.

Prince is either 100% gay and living in a closet or 100% straight and creating a "mystic" (I hop e I spelled that right). Trade would NEVER dress or act the way he does.

sumtymes said:

I'll agree that certain portions of the USA culture have really categorized the sexuality of black males, but honestly, I don't think that has anything to do with people thinking Prince is gay. If Paul Simon or David Byrne or Paul McCartney had a history of posing in pictures similar to the one below, they too would have been labeled as gay. In Prince's case, I think perceptions about his sexuality have more to do with makeup, spandex, tights, high heels and big hair than they do with racial stereotypes.