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Reply #30 posted 07/08/04 1:38pm

jughead1

Isn't it frustrating being a Prince fam?

Go ahead Prince. It's OK to double-dip into your back catalogue. I will forgive you.

How can High and Avalanche not end up on Musicology? These are two of the strongest tracks he's had in years.

For me, I'd replace

Illusion..with High
A million days.. with My Medallion
On the Couch.. with Avalanche
Life of the Party... with Daisy Chain

and this album is improved tremendously.

With more time and a better memory, I'd improve it even more.....
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Reply #31 posted 07/08/04 1:44pm

MendesCity

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thekidsgirl said:

Musicology is a stripped down album with relateable lyrics
and it is simply lovely.


A perfect summary of what's great about the album! When I go back and listen to much of his older material, it doesn't seem to have the same plain-spoken honesty that the best songs on the new record do. He's really just doing something different now, and I for one love it.
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Reply #32 posted 07/08/04 1:46pm

Snap

jughead1 said:

[quote]For me, I'd replace
Life of the Party... with Daisy Chain [\quote]


Prince already released "Daisy Chain" -- it's on The Rainbow Children album and it's called "Family Name." Check it. wink
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Reply #33 posted 07/08/04 2:09pm

ELBOOGY

FunkMistress said:

Supernova said:


My ears are fine, thanks. I hear SOTT era in WDUWM2D.


nod As do I. Nothing about this song reminds me of "Off The Wall," an album I know quite well.

Like paisleypark4 said, Musicology might be tame compared with other Prince releases, I don't find it the least bit dull. It's a sweet, enjoyable record, with some truly ass-kicking moments. Five years later, I barely listen to Rave, but Musicology grows on me more and more. I have a feeling it will become a classic of sorts in its own time.

I agree FunkMistress. It's tamed but enjoyable! And MJ wish he had some shit that sounded like that!
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Reply #34 posted 07/08/04 2:15pm

MrTation

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MattyJam said:

Nothing like defensive fanatics without an ounce of objectivity...



Not much better than offensive fanatics...

So people disagree with you and they are defensive fanatics?

Generalize blindly, much?
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Reply #35 posted 07/08/04 2:18pm

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while it's not spectacular, i do enjoy it. and THAT is what keeps it from being dull. it's probably a sad state of affairs, but i'm just really excited that it doesn't suck. haven't been able to say that about a full-fledged Prince release since..... mmmm, 9 years go sigh


yeah, LotP and ICP&C really annoy me. but 2 clunkers out of 12 ain't bad. it's a better hit rate than all of his major releases since Gold..... (not counting contract filler and half-assed releases through the website...)


Emancipation? about half & half.... 2/3 good, if i'm being generous
NPS? yuck
Rave? several decent songs, but as an album, it sure does suck.
TRC? shows promise, but doesn't live up to the potential. too many cringe-worthy moments to not leave a sour impression.
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Reply #36 posted 07/08/04 2:34pm

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Supernova said:

MattyJam said:

the very MJ-reminiscent What Do U Want Me 2 Do,

MJ? confuse



That's exactly what i thought when I heard it the first time. The beat is very Prince, but the chords are very Off the Wall era Michael (I'm not saying he stole it, it just reminds me of it). There is one song in particular it reminds me of (I think it goes: "Cant help it if I wanted to...")

I think hes being a bit harsh about the rest, especially since he's comparing it to pretty tame albums like rave & emancipation.

Think he just wanna be startin something!
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Reply #37 posted 07/08/04 2:38pm

laylow03

Supernova said:

MattyJam said:

the very MJ-reminiscent What Do U Want Me 2 Do,

MJ? confuse


I agree. This is, by far, the best song on this album. Please don't ruin it by downgrading it to MJ status. mad
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Reply #38 posted 07/08/04 2:41pm

laylow03

psykosoul said:

MattyJam said:

Nothing like defensive fanatics without an ounce of objectivity...

Musicology is a commerical record for commercial means. It was blatantly calculated for airplay. And it worked. "Goody" for Prince.

But a classic? I'm sorry, Sign O The Times it will never be.



This statement would have worked better for your opening. I agree in comparison to Prince's previous work, Musicology is lackluster. In terms of Prince attempting to reach a new audience, the album works. However, for those of us who were able to experience SOTT as a new release, what sense does it really make to continue to compare Prince to his old catalog? Nothing will ever be another Sign O The Times.
[This message was edited Thu Jul 8 11:51:03 2004 by psykosoul]


I agree. SOTT will stand as the very best Prince album to ever hit the airwaves, followed closely by The Black Album, Parade...
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Reply #39 posted 07/08/04 2:45pm

ChadtheRTF

The Rainbow Children was a masterpiece. Seriously, it was like a more mature version of Lovesexy.
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Reply #40 posted 07/08/04 3:03pm

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Reply #41 posted 07/08/04 3:04pm

nayroo2002

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thekidsgirl said:

Musicology is a stripped down album with relateable lyrics
and it is simply lovely.
I was ready for a less conceptual album that I could just
pop into my car and sing along with.
Its not revolutionary, but its fun and light hearted

Some people are always looking for the deeper meaning of
any obscure, rare song that the public is "too stupid to see"

Those people loose alot of time and miss alot of good music wink


I'm glad U'r here, Kidsgirl!!!

26 years

IT AIN'T OVER!!!

There r...

deep
fun
sexual
spiritual
emotional
funky
soulful
rocky
colorful
extreme
tasteful
(did i mention sexual?)
mind-blowing
body-movin'
tear-jerkin'
moments on EVERY RECORD

if we just bitch about what's on hand at the moment, we'll miss it.


HAVE A BLAST!!!
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Reply #42 posted 07/08/04 3:55pm

psykosoul

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simply put

This is not his best...nor his worst. There are songs which I absolutely love..and those which I can do with out.

I tire of peeps always comparing each album to its predeccessors so harshly. Enjoy it for what is is...and you will sleep a lot better knowing somebody really digs this music...even if you don't. Its still Prince and we are showing him support. He isnt perfect. And he cant please all the poeple all the time.

So just be satisfied..you're not pleased...but dont look so shocked cause other peeps have different opinions and a lot are.


nod
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Reply #43 posted 07/08/04 4:55pm

Handclapsfinga
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if you think "icpc" is funk, i'm scurred to think what you think things like "head" are categorized as.
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Reply #44 posted 07/08/04 5:02pm

psykosoul

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

if you think "icpc" is funk, i'm scurred to think what you think things like "head" are categorized as.


"Head" would literally kill them... instant rigor mortis. I don't think they're ready. evillol
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Reply #45 posted 07/08/04 5:05pm

Handclapsfinga
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psykosoul said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

if you think "icpc" is funk, i'm scurred to think what you think things like "head" are categorized as.


"Head" would literally kill them... instant rigor mortis. I don't think they're ready. evillol

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Reply #46 posted 07/08/04 5:12pm

chewymusic

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Prince did something that ppl have been on his ass to do for years.
Make a dull album? No.
He is being tactful by releasing an easy to swallow album.
He is playing it a little safe. What is the worst someone can say
about Musicology? His exentric behaviour is out of control? No.
It is good, but not his best effort. For a Prince album it
could be seen as a little dull. How does it compare to it's contemporaries?
Believe me, I was hoping that Musicology would sound like the
ultimate-bomb bomb !! but I am not dissapointed.
It has some really cool songs and I love listening to it as is. music
"Hyperactive when I was small, Hyperactive now I'm grown, Hyperactive 'till I'm dead and gone"
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Reply #47 posted 07/08/04 5:39pm

ELBOOGY

FunkMistress said:

Jestyr said:




There's a bass progression in What Do U Want Me 2 Do? that is VERY similar to one in I Can't Help It from Michael Jackson's Off The Wall record, but to say that WDUWM2D sounds like OTW is a sweeping generalization. Additionally, I Can't Help It was written by Stevie Wonder, so, if anything, Prince was emulating a Stevie Wonder joint not a Michael Jackson one. And to complain about that fact is missing the point of this project to begin with. Musicology is ABOUT returning to Prince's musical roots, so every song has some element of a sentimental yearning for return to or of some past period.


clapping
I 3rd that emotion! Plus if this album gets a 2nd wind at retail and sells 2million copies that does'nt mean it's a classic,just like if it does'nt sell another copy from retail does'nt mean that it's not a classic. This is y i really don't like the so called 'Best Of all time Lists' bcuz it's all subjective.EX: Right now it is a 4gone conclusion that Elvis is the King of R&R even though he did'nt start it or was even the best singer or performer(pleeze c Jackie Wilson) so we can go on and on! I've always looked at P's albums as paintings.....some i like more than others but i really can't say what he should of done musically bcuz it was his trip. It's like SEX, sometimes u cum but u still did'nt enjoy it and other times it's the BOMB. That's ART in a nutshell ya dig. I like Musicology 4 different reasons that i like Purple Rain or Off The Wall 4 that matter.
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Reply #48 posted 07/08/04 5:45pm

MrSquiggle

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Come on... anyone who seriously believes this album is any better than Rave or Emancipation is seriously deluded. And anyone who believes Musicology is a return to his eighties standards has been reading too many reviews from music critics who hail Diamonds & Pearls as a record all future Prince releases should aspire towards.

With the exception of the gorgeous On The Couch and the very MJ-reminiscent What Do U Want Me 2 Do, the album is very weak, especially considering it only has twelve tracks.

The title is a re-hash of a record he made three years ago, which wasn't even that special itself.

Illusion, Coma... is a straight out pop record disguised as a "funk" work-out, for those who actually know very little about the genre.

Life O The Party is the weakest and most offensive offering I've heard since Jughead.

Cinnamon Girl is yet another bland soft-rock stadium filler that would sound better off on a Bon Jovi album where it really belongs.

Call My Name is nice, but when you compare it to something like U Make My Sunshine with Angie Stone, you realise how below par it is.

And Reflection is trying to be Circle Of Amour and falling flat on it's face everytime.

If Musicology had tanked the way Rave did, it would not get the appreciation many of the fans give it - I'm sure of that much.
[This message was edited Thu Jul 8 9:28:24 2004 by MattyJam]


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Reply #49 posted 07/08/04 10:21pm

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illusion coma pimp is so cool with its retro keyboard funk bass thats all chopped up and minimalist like something new, and its completely addicting eastern key sing it out loud chorus...
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Reply #50 posted 07/08/04 10:26pm

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MattyJam said:

...and the very MJ-reminiscent What Do U Want Me 2 Do


eek whofarted

Call My Name is nice, but when you compare it to something like U Make My Sunshine with Angie Stone, you realise how below par it is.


omfg chair falloff

Matty's entire post is BAIT!! stab Although I do agree about Cinnamon Girl belonging on a Bon Jovi album evillol

evil fight




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[This message was edited Thu Jul 8 22:26:56 2004 by CalhounSq]
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Reply #51 posted 07/09/04 12:18am

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I see Matty is now proving the point I was making in my "Negativity on the org" thread.

Keep up the good work. But be careful, the fams may start putting you in their hate file. shake
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Reply #52 posted 07/09/04 12:22am

CalhounSq

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EvilWhiteMale said:

Me! Me! Me! It's all about ME! And Prince! And what I think about Prince! And Me! Yea, ME!!


bored
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Reply #53 posted 07/09/04 2:48am

Novabreaker

"Musicology" might indeed be his dullest album ever given that there reall are no real rough edges on it, but that doesn't automatically mean that it would be one of his worst. Most Bergman movies as dull as fuck, but that doesn't exclude their status as great pieces of work.
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Reply #54 posted 07/09/04 7:45am

psykosoul

CalhounSq said:

EvilWhiteMale said:

Me! Me! Me! It's all about ME! And Prince! And what I think about Prince! And Me! Yea, ME!!


bored


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Reply #55 posted 07/09/04 8:32am

PaisleyPark

FunkMistress said:

PaisleyPark said:

Prince hasn't put out one great album since Lovesexy which was just ok.

Face it.


Make up your mind. Was Lovesexy great or "just ok"?


Just ok.

I'm afraid Prince has not too many 'great' albums.

But he has made a lot of great music though.

Yeah that's how i see it.

Musicology is not 'great' either, it's avarage at best.
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Reply #56 posted 07/09/04 8:57am

LightOfArt

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If you can't hear Off The Wall era MJ in that record you need to clean yo' ears!


yep. sounds like a mid tempo Get On The Floor(written by Jackson/L.Johnson)

doesnt mean copying him tho.

Mike's blood on sounds Prince-ish to me. A producer tought of the title and MJ has written it around the title. that's why it may be P-ish coz I read Prince writes most of his songs around the title. All his songs have cool names dont ya think? PR,LRcorvette,When doves cry etc

Gotta admit that I'm not much of a fan of Musicology. But it's got some cool songs. As Paisley Park mentioned Prince dont have too many "great" albums. Coz he releases them every so often. don't wait much to put all the greatests in them smile
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Reply #57 posted 07/09/04 9:19am

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MattyJam said:

And anyone who believes Musicology is a return to his eighties standards has been reading too many reviews from music critics who hail Diamonds & Pearls as a record all future Prince releases should aspire towards.
[This message was edited Thu Jul 8 9:28:24 2004 by MattyJam]


I really disagree with you. This album is very refreshing. It ranks right up there with all of his 80's stuff. IMO I can put it on and just let it play. I have not been able to say that since the 80's. There are NO Jugheads on THIS album.
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Reply #58 posted 07/09/04 11:15am

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What I don't understand is why everyone has to be so critical all the time. Every album I have ever had from every artist has had tracks that I skip over because they are weaker than the others. The same is true for Musicology, but there are some really, really great tracks on that album.

People will go on and on about how Prince is such an amazing artist for having tried sounds that no one had heard before, and that he influenced so many people in the industry because he was so original... Did you ever stop to think that this is one of those cases? Maybe he was trying out something that he hadn't visited in awhile, to make it new and fresh again?

If we are supposed to be a community of his biggest fans, why are we so critical? The same people that are so disappointed with this studio album will say tomorrow about how much better they like live cuts anyway... Why not listen to yourselves and appreciate the album for what it is-- Another Prince creation that we are lucky to be experiencing!

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Reply #59 posted 07/09/04 11:25am

andyman91

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Jestyr said:

MattyJam said:

If you can't hear Off The Wall era MJ in that record you need to clean yo' ears!



There's a bass progression in What Do U Want Me 2 Do? that is VERY similar to one in I Can't Help It from Michael Jackson's Off The Wall record, but to say that WDUWM2D sounds like OTW is a sweeping generalization. Additionally, I Can't Help It was written by Stevie Wonder, so, if anything, Prince was emulating a Stevie Wonder joint not a Michael Jackson one. And to complain about that fact is missing the point of this project to begin with. Musicology is ABOUT returning to Prince's musical roots, so every song has some element of a sentimental yearning for return to or of some past period.


The original post didn't complain about it sounding like Mike, he said it was one of the best songs on the album, and that it sounded like MJ. "I can't help it" is on Off the Wall, right?

People seem offended to have Prince compared to Michael Jackson. I'm not a fan, but Off the Wall is a well written, incredibly produced album. Any comparison to Off the Wall is like a comparison to Quincy Jones and, as you said, Stevie Wonder (in the case of that song) as much as Micheal Jackson. Not so bad, in my opinion.

MJ can't compare to Prince as an individual artist, but he has surrounded himself with great talent. To say that Prince's guitar solo on some song reminds someone of Beat It would not be an insult to Prince.
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