I notice that a lot of ppl on the org are not sure about their gender. At least that's what they say in their profile. Why is that? Do they think its cool? Do they wanna confuse others ? Or do they really have gender problems? Or do they wanna be something that we never understand?

I don't know man, the cock and balls hanging between my legs assures me of my womanhood!
[This message was edited Wed Jul 7 11:02:00 2004 by LittlePill]

LittlePill said:

I think more than anything it signifies that humanity comes first. Gender is just a byproduct....

"Sex" and "gender" - as many of you know - are two completely different things. "Gender" is your physical female or maleness, due to XY or just X choromosomes, as well as your secondary sex characteristics (but not always - there are a number of hemaphrodites running around, just ask 2the9s!). "Sex" is how society has constructed what being "male" or "female" really is - whether it's playing with dolls or shooting a gun from your fort.

Perhaps orgers just don't want to have to deal with that. Although a person's gender may be one thing, their sex may be a whole other story. Or perhaps they just want to remain a mystery - if you don't put a photo or your gender up on your profile, you are likely to avoid unwanted harrassment.

(p.s. excuse any errors in this post and feel free to correct them, as my knowledge regarding gender studies is quite limited!)

thanks 4 the info.....

Natsume said:

SmartyPants.

xenon said:

Natsume said:

Actually, if I am not mistaken, you have them reversed. 'Sex' is what you are born with and 'gender' is how society sez you are supposed to act, based on your sex (males are 'macho' or whatever, females are 'girly' and stuff)


I think

Nikster said:

That is correct Nikster

Sex is physical, gender is identity based.

Nikster said:

i have no idea about common parlance, but in legal terms i seem to remember that's right; sex relates to the physical, and gender to the sociological. i think. the distinction is what has led the UK courts to fail to recognise the ability of gays to wed (because the definition refers to it being between "one man and one woman" -and this has been held to be based on sex as at birth (i.e. a person who is born a man but whose gender is female (even including transsexuals) or vice versa cannot marry according to gender, only according to sex). This is off the top of my head, so i may be wrong.

Of course, this still means that a man or a woman who has undergone full surgery to become a woman or a man can marry - but only according to their birth sex.

now i believe that some European legislation has altered this recently with regard to transsexuals, but i'm not familiar enough with family law to know.

okay, i've gone off on a tangent and been incredibly boring. so i'll just go and wear a paper bag in the corner. Bye!

This is my favourite thread for ages!

Janeau said:

Good question. I've at times wondered about that myself.
My take was that outside of an attempt at humor and the rare hermaphrodite, they may be confusing the term "sexual preference" with the word "gender". As Natsume indicated they are "two completely different things".

The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language defines the word gender as:
The sex of an individual, male or female, based on reproductive anatomy.
(nothing vague there)

That being the case, eliminating the "humor-based" and hermaphrodite respondents, this leads to all kinds of comical reasons for an "undetermined" answer.

Thanks for the post.

tA

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

says Gayman no 1 on the org

Does Prince attract ppl with gender problems?

No doubt

Define "problem". . .

I think he attracts people with flexible gender identities, yes. Probably because of his own flexible gender identity.

TheFrog said:

English legal rulings have maintained the concept that it is not possible for an individual to change from the sex with which they were born, although, as far as I am aware, this has never been stated in a legal statute

Different case law in the past has proposed different tests. However, the tests that I have come across have always seemed to be loaded in favour of an individual being unable to change from their birth sex.

There have been proposals recently for the introduction of a parliamentary bill which would enable an individual who has met certain criterioa to be deemed in the eyes of the law effectively to have changed sex. No law has yet been passed.
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langebleu said:

thanks langebleu. that's what i vaguely thought. i remember reading a leading case on transsexual marriage (male-->female and male) where the judge was obsessed with using the term "gonadal" when describing the relevant test. not my field, so it's been a while since i've had any reason to read up on my family law, so i appreciate the update.

Not only does it attract people with gender problems, but people with mental problems too.


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Definetely my favourite thread for ages!

tackam said:

exactly... I think I'm having problems with the word "problem" which might end up with me hemmorhaging on the floor!

TheFrog said:

smartypants!

Natsume said:

back to you!

TheFrog said:

meekle, come get in on this action!

Natsume said:

I can't find my paddle.....

:rumaging:

doctormcmeekle said:

Here, take this one!

doctormcmeekle said:

as i suspected.


and:

TheFrog----><-----Natsume

Natsume said:

I don't think it is a problem. I just used the word Gender Problem cause that's what I heard a Doctor call it once.
Anyway,I learned something again today.

Janeau said:

I haven't learnt a thing!