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PrintableRaijuan said: Everything after "For You"
Is this a serious response? Without question, the entire Warner Bros/  era. Really alientated a good bit of his loyal hardcore fans, and discouraged interested potential new admirers from even listening to his music.....The road you choose to walk in this life, is a road that leads to the next..... | |
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Gettin rid of Sonny T. and Michael B. (although Rhonda Smith and John Blackwell ARE a kickass Bass Players and Drummers respectively!).
otherwise, it was not letting me go to his pre-show because I wasn't a member of NPGMC and lettin people who don't know the words to his songs sing because.... 
but seriously, career-wise, never releasing the "Roadhouse Garden" sessions. 
'dre Tried many flavours - but sooner or later, always go back to the Purple Kool-aid!
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DreZone said: Gettin rid of Sonny T. and Michael B. (although Rhonda Smith and John Blackwell ARE a kickass Bass Players and Drummers respectively!).
otherwise, it was not letting me go to his pre-show because I wasn't a member of NPGMC and lettin people who don't know the words to his songs sing because....
but seriously, career-wise, never releasing the "Roadhouse Garden" sessions and suing websites that supported him.
'dre Tried many flavours - but sooner or later, always go back to the Purple Kool-aid!
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NouveauDance said: ELBOOGY said: If it was'nt 4 the name change P would'nt b as free and happy as he's been over the past few years. It liberated his spirit and gift!
Pass me the sick bucket.  | |
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Having Crappollonia with her no singing self on "Take Me With U." BLEEP BLEEP! | |
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Not releasing a after-show live cd in the Sign of the Times area....
how about the Small Club CD being officially released.....at that time it would have been big... Not doing an unplugged MTV special during the 90-ties Not releasing The Undertaker as a cd..but as a Video only... Not releasing The Ride as a single.... Not combining The black album with the Lovesexy album..as the same concept of the Lovesexy Tour...now that would have made that album his best album ever.... Releasing New Power Generation as a single from Grafitti Bridge..while u could release The Question of U Going into Rap music during Diamonds and Pearls and after.. Releasing Betcha by golly wow...instead of La,La,La..means i love u...as a first single... Releasing Dinner with Dolores as a single...instead of..well..choose another one... Releasing Musicology as a single..instead of Dear Mr. Man... Forgetting to release When eye lay my hands on u...as a single... ow wow...there are so many bad business decisions...oh well... | |
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Larry Graham. | |
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Lying to Oprah. | |
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ChadtheRTF said: Having Crappollonia with her no singing self on "Take Me With U."
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That whole... ehmmm... Stauros thing. | |
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I agree with the era statements in that it made him less accessible to non-enthusiasts for a huge chunk of his career, and in my view, some of his best music was missed by a lot of people during that time as a result.
A mistake that drove a lot of fans to bootlegs was not releasing a live album until far too late. He could have combatted a lot of piracy simply by letting the fans have what they wanted long ago. I think my answer still has to be "Doug E F*cking Fresh" 
But Prince's career seems to be doing just fine now, so he probably spends less time thinking about these 'mistakes' than the fans do. L [This message was edited Fri Jul 9 3:15:37 2004 by Levi] I'm just, I'm just Levi from the org | |
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I would say:
(1) the name change (2) Larry Graham (3) Graffiti Bridge movie | |
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P4PurplePwincy said: asg said: His biggest mistake was meetin with Larry Graham
 I agree - Larry fucked the cat up. | |
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Spookymuffin said: P4PurplePwincy said: I agree - Larry fucked the cat up. Sad, but true.  | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: I'd also go along with the Warner/"Slave" issue. There's no doubt in my mind that Warner was placing some restraints on his creative output, but when you bite the hand that feeds you AND air your dirty laundry at the same time, you're gonna lose support on both sides. Though he's been able to recover from it, I don't think it's been a full recovery and it's taken quite some time to do so.
Couldn't agree more. The man just signed the biggest contract in recording history. You're not going to win any friends calling yourself a slave. Yes, the masters are important, but you sign it - you live it. It's the same mentality that pisses me off when pro athletes suddenly decide they don't like the terms of their contract and try to leverage their power. But if he wouldn't have done it, we probably wouldn't have Emancipation or NPS.... shit, I just proved my point even further. Damn. Though he's recovered musically, I think that the slave issue pushed him into the most unexciting musical period if his career, which he only started to emerge from with TRC. | |
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ocadv said: Releasing ATWIAD after Purple Rain was a huge mistake.
Prince lost a lot of new fans after putting that album out. Don't get me wrong, I believe ATWIAD is one of his best, but it was a bad business move. He could of easily expanded his fan base again with a Purple Rain 2 sounding album. All those who were still on the fence would of converted. All the heavy metal and rock types were like,"Wow! That P guy does seem to play good, but he is kinda weird... maybe gay... but he does seem to be with all those hot girls, but...I don't know... I don't think I wanna take a chance on being wrong and my friends making fun of me... Maybe I'll buy his next album." (which of course never happened) Up unitl ATWIAD, P's popularity and recognition was steadily climbing higher and higher with each passing album. After Purple Rain, P was god and surpassed MJ in the public eye. Everyone was expecting another great rock album. If he did, I believe he would of sealed his genius and importance once and for all... then he should of started experimenting with his fans minds... ATWIAD is the reason why we always have to explain P to non-believers and it is also the reason why a lot of other artists were surprised at the RRHOF this year. Newbies can't possibly know this... only those of us who have been there the entire journey. (The name change and the warner/slave thing were not pivotal at all... they just created more weirdness to P's mystic.) Like I said... This was the 1st and most significant point where P hit his 1st decline... All other instances are just contributing factors. .. | |
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Not ATWIAD, the album was a masterstroke at feeling out true fans and losing the sheep who follow, much like many are doing about Musicology, but I would say that Lovesexy had some signs of a downward spiral (how many albums was Anna Steisa on? officiaaly and unofficially). But his best work around 87/88 was Black Album, Camille and Crystal Ball where the boundaries were pushed. Lovesexy sounded as if he was bored, then Batman came along and not long after yet another personnel change. Whether anyone agrees or not the band lineup from the first days of touring until Parade had core members who endured (Fink & Booby Z) and the sound was fresh. | |
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Up unitl ATWIAD, P's popularity and recognition was steadily climbing higher and higher with each passing album. After Purple Rain, P was god and surpassed MJ in the public eye. Everyone was expecting another great rock album. If he did, I believe he would of sealed his genius and importance once and for all... then he should of started experimenting with his fans minds...
ATWIAD is the reason why we always have to explain P to non-believers and it is also the reason why a lot of other artists were surprised at the RRHOF this year. Newbies can't possibly know this... only those of us who have been there the entire journey. I couldn't agree more! I have been saying this for years. Milk your signature sound for everything it's worth, then start experimenting. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Newbies can't possibly know this... only those of us who have been there the entire journey.
This statement says it all. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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meltwithu said: 1. child molestation charges....MJ
2. child pornography charges...R Kelly 3. drug rehab...Whitney 4. nervous breakdown...Mariah i think those are career mistakes. not touring to support SOTT just don't quite cut it.  u & me, we got mad chemisty | |
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meltwithu said: 1. child molestation charges....MJ
2. child pornography charges...R Kelly 3. drug rehab...Whitney 4. nervous breakdown...Mariah i think those are career mistakes. not touring to support SOTT just don't quite cut it. The above aren't career moves and thus don't qualify as career mistakes. I doubt Whitney Houston entered rehab on the premise it would propel her to the top of the charts. Anyway, this topic is about Prince... I share some of the earlier sentiments that among Prince's biggest career mistake(s) are the release of his singles. Sign O' The Times and LoveSexy could have been better supported had he not released his singles in a seemingly haphazard manner. From a commercial standpoint perhaps releasing an album every year was not the most financially savvy thing to do. But the biggest, IMO, was the whole wrangle with Warners which was and remains very messy. Otherwise, I don't think he's made all that many mistakes career wise. The next question would then be to ask what he could have done differently. Stuck with The Revolution? Continued to produce structured songs instead of venturing into jazz-funk? Thrown Tony M.'s audition tape into the trash? Hmm.... M.2.K
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wildchaotic said: Not ATWIAD, the album was a masterstroke at feeling out true fans and losing the sheep who follow, much like many are doing about Musicology, but I would say that Lovesexy had some signs of a downward spiral (how many albums was Anna Steisa on? officiaaly and unofficially). But his best work around 87/88 was Black Album, Camille and Crystal Ball where the boundaries were pushed. Lovesexy sounded as if he was bored, then Batman came along and not long after yet another personnel change. Whether anyone agrees or not the band lineup from the first days of touring until Parade had core members who endured (Fink & Booby Z) and the sound was fresh.
Just to react about ur Lovesexy remark: LOVESEXY was ofcourse spiritually a climax for Prince, personally. The importance of that period we still can see: Prince is still calling his band NPG..and NPG is ofcourse born in the Lovesexy Area. Lovesexy ofcourse doesnt sound bored. If u want u could call it a too fast finished project. I wish he had put out an album combining the black album with the lovesexy album...just like the concept of the Lovesexy tour. Now that would have given him a boost in status....now many (american) reviewers couldnt understand the value of Lovesexy....I think during the Lovesexy tour Prince peaked in creativity but after this spiritual breakthrough, so after lovesexy, a new but less creative area started. Not during the Lovesexy period! | |
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bds70 said: Through the years Prince has dropped the ball many of times. What do you think was so of his biggest mistakes.
AWTWIAD -85 Graffitti Bridge - movie Name change Not touring the US with SOTT NPS - that album smells like feet!!! Larry "i don't have a group anymore" Graham Not touring the US with TGE - 95 Just a few off the top of my head!! I don't know if this qualifies or not but I would say the years 89-93. He just seemed too commercial and he was trying to cash in on rap music. Sure he made some great music during those years but I think he also made some of his worst music during those years. I wish he had been much more adventurous, artistically. He may have sold fewer albums but he also would have retained many fans and maybe the late '90s wouldn't have been so lean for him. | |
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