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PrintableSo, all you JW defenders, what will you do?
AlanF whoop, i guess i missed all this stuff. only read the top of the thread. how about a bit of semi-personal experience? about my parents, actually... they became JW in 1975. and they only heard about the whole controversy you are making such a big deal about, hmmm, years later. didn't know anything about it; altho they were studying right about that time and attending meetings. so i'm thinking it was a big deal to some and not to others. mostly individuals, rather than an organizational thang. | |
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We are ALL influenced by something aren't we? Do we care? No. Whatever we are influenced by, affects every aspect of our lives and we would all love for everybody to accept it but not everybody does. Do we care? Maybe, will we change? only if we see fit. We would want people to respect our wishes but can they? Not all of them. Do we want them to? sometimes. Do we really care? No.
Prince will do whatever he wants to do, like him or hate him. Like his choices or hate his choices. Does he care? No, I don't think so. Does he want us to love his music? Does he expect us to like Brother Larry Graham? love or hate his music, it doesn't matter. [This message was edited Thu Mar 21 4:46:25 PST 2002 by SisterGirl] | |
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apollonia7 said: So, all you JW defenders, what will you do?
AlanF whoop, i guess i missed all this stuff. only read the top of the thread. how about a bit of semi-personal experience? about my parents, actually... they became JW in 1975. and they only heard about the whole controversy you are making such a big deal about, hmmm, years later. didn't know anything about it; altho they were studying right about that time and attending meetings. so i'm thinking it was a big deal to some and not to others. mostly individuals, rather than an organizational thang. I don't think it's a question of whether or not it was a big deal; the question is should it all be lumped under the category of "rumors and lies"? That phrase is losing it's punch. | |
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SisterGirl said: "We are ALL influenced by something aren't we? Do we care? No."
- I do. "Whatever we are influenced by, affects every aspect of our lives" - I know it does, EVERY aspect. "and we would all love for everybody to accept it but not everybody does." - Is there something we CAN all agree on? "Do we care? Maybe, will we change? only if we see fit." - Of course... "We would want people to respect our wishes but can they? Not all of them." - naturally " Do we want them to? sometimes. Do we really care? No." - Then why are JW's known as some of the biggest defenders of their faith? If you don't really care then why are you always onthe stand if your faith gets questioned? Better yet, why then are you always knocking on people's door in order to convert them? "Prince will do whatever he wants to do, like him or hate him. Like his choices or hate his choices. Does he care? No, I don't think so. Does he want us to love his music? Does he expect us to like Brother Larry Graham? it doesn't matter." - If it wouldn't matter to Prince then where would he have been without all those people who love his music? It DOES matter. . [This message was edited Tue Mar 19 4:04:51 PST 2002 by Abrazo] You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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I don't think it's a question of whether or not it was a big deal; the question is should it all be lumped under the category of "rumors and lies"? That phrase is losing it's punch.[/quote]
+++++ i'd say it's a legit question. there are no dumb questions, like any teacher will tell you (any good teacher). | |
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- Then why are JW's known as some of the biggest defenders of their faith? If you don't really care then why are you always onthe stand if your faith gets questioned?
Better yet, why then are you always knocking on people's door in order to convert them? +++++ it's their duty... ready to give an answer to all asking the reasons for their faith. i believe it was apostle paul who said it. there's no need to get defensive, IMHO. but some always will - might be a personal weakness. | |
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Anywayz,the truth is why waste time on people without the right heart condition.Jesus said his followers would be the ones who listen to his voice and so if you don't then your obviously of another sort.Not everyone loves goodness and truth and righteousness they are quiet content living in their sinful state so be it ! "We all got a space to fill" | |
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I like Larry Graham's music regardless of his spiritual preference. I just like the bass grooves and Larry's delivery. The funkier the better.....
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Saffireseven said: Anywayz,the truth is why waste time on people without the right heart condition.Jesus said his followers would be the ones who listen to his voice and so if you don't then your obviously of another sort.Not everyone loves goodness and truth and righteousness they are quiet content living in their sinful state so be it !
Saffireseven, consider the scriptures: Jesus asked God to glorify His name, and a voice responded from heaven. The people who stood nearby said one of two things: a) an angel spoke and b) it thundered. Those that are supposed to hear will hear; those that are not will not. The answer, however, was provided to all. You don't know if what you provide today is for those you are talking to at that moment, or for someone coming along five days from now. Instead of trying to determine who is worthy to hear the truth, shouldn't we let God decide? | |
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Saffireseven said: Anywayz,the truth is why waste time on people without the right heart condition.Jesus said his followers would be the ones who listen to his voice and so if you don't then your obviously of another sort.Not everyone loves goodness and truth and righteousness they are quiet content living in their sinful state so be it !
but who of us are heart readers? can we arrogantly assume that we can pick out who is righteous and who is not? think more of meeting people on their own terms... be open to discussion... this is how you win hearts & friends. jesus didn't blow people off just like that, now did he? | |
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Bibleteacher89 said: The short answer: Any opportunity people can use to tear into Jehovah's Witnesses, they'll take full advantage. Oh well, refer back to 1 Pet 4:3,4. They must be doing something right.
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Antony7 said: I LOVE Larry Graham and I have been a Prince fan for years.
If Larry Graham were a Catholic no-one would have a problem. Some Prince fans hold Larry's religion against him. They're dislike for Larry has nothing to do with his musical ability. It has EVERYTHING to do with their own religious prejudice and intolerance. There is the ridiculous notion (see Science Fiction) that Larry has brainwashed Prince into the JW faith. Of course, there is no evidence to prove this, but that doesn't prevent it from becoming accepted as fact. Some Prince fans feel that Prince owes them something PERSONALLY. They placed him on a pedestal and then reacted angrily when he didn't behave how they EXPECTED him to. They are incapable of looking beyond they're own ignorance and accept that Prince is capable of making his own choices. They are not happy when Prince is happy. They are only satisfied when he is playing the part they have assigned for him. They have de-humanised Prince. To them he exists purely for their amusement. They need a scapegoat and that man is Larry Graham. Fortunately, outside of the this tiny piece of cyber-space Larry Graham is known and accepted as a bass pioneer and funk legend. Unfortunately, people on this forum, think that its ok to victimise and abuse a specific religious group or persons if they are called Jehovah's Witnesses. They seem to believe that it is somehow more palatable and acceptable to attack JW's, when in reality it is like any religious prejudice against any religious faith, whether it be Protestant, Catholicism, Baptist, Methodist, Spiritualist, Quaker, Seventh Day Adventist, Mormonism ... whatever: IT IS HATRED IT IS PERSECUTION AND IT STINKS. Word! | |
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The guy is talented, but he's also old. I always thought of Prince as fresh, vital & innovative - until the mid to late 1990s, when he met Graham. A lot of his music began to sound derivative, stale or rehashed. I've seen Graham play with Prince 3 or 4 times, and nearly every time, it was the same bass solo. Graham doesn't bring anything fresh or vital or alive to Prince's music. He just makes him feel "tired" to me. | |
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I don't have anything against Larry. But I think, for some people, it is is mustache and his white shoes. | |
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