I hope the ´Strollin´ has great guitar as the one from Europe (dont remember the city now, but it´s one of the best P solos ever)
And I am happy that ´The ride´ will be the bonus...one of my fave tracks ever

And it´s good to see some tracks that arent on the ONA CD...

Universaluv said:

DAMN, PRINCE DOESN;T HAVE ANY CASUAL LISTENERS, THEY EITHER LOVE HIM (HARDCORE FAMS) OR HATE HIM (NON-FAMS). THEREFORE ONLY HARDCORE FANS WILL BUY THIS DVD, SO HE SHOULD HAVE MADE IT MORE EXPENSIVE AND MADE IT A 2 DVD SET!

GustavoRibas said:

[sarcasm] Yeah, I don't think I have ever heard that one. [/sarcasm]

This track was old by the time it came out on "Crystal Ball". I liked it from all of the Gold boots, and really liked the version on the L41A VH1 special, but jeez stop recyclin'!

Rod319

The setlist is a little odd, but it's funny how so many seem to want a DVD à la carte... I imagine Prince dressed as a waiter, asking "And will you have a little Raspberry Beret with your Anastasia? Very well!"

mattmcbr said:

As a long-time fan it absolutely hurts to admit that this is the truth and the best thing I've read here for a while. Prince should read this and THINK. This is not critics, this is not music business, this is not bad bad media talking, this is your DIE-HARD fans speaking.

Of course there are brain-washed NPGMC followers who think everything is great, but how much may that be ? 10 % of his die-hard fans ? The rest simply dislike his marketing strategies and decisions.

Yes, of course I will buy this DVD and of course I will love parts of it (because it's Prince and I love his music, his voice, his style) but the disappointment just right now is just too much. Since 10 years or so, I have the impression that Prince constantly stays behind his capabilities.

Every third rate pop band is able to release a fu**ing pleasing DVD. Why not Prince ?

mattmcbr said:

Matthew thanks for putting a fed-up P fans spin on this issue. I agree with you 110% dude. The funny thing was that when I read the supposed DVD tracklist, I didn`t even care. I knew that I would watch it once and then put it on the shelf of other Prince released that Ive only listened to one time (Rave, TRC, New Power Soul, The Rave DVD, and Emancipation). I wish someone would post a link to this page over at NPGMC. Hell even better, why not post the entire EMail??? Maybe even flood their accounts with a copy of this post??? Maybe if we all wish hard enough, then P will get the picture.

Totally agree to it.
Finally somebody is telling the truth.

Isn't it strange that there's is no one in his crew to tell him that to release a 80 mn only live DVD is silly/ very frustrating for the "fams"
+ his wife used to work for him, she has talked to some of "us" in the past, I wonder if she dares to open her mouth when her husband makes bad decisions like this one, I guess..

NPGMC members could get a bonus disc that the retail version doesn't have ...


but it's funny how so many seem to want a DVD à la carte...
Aero , isn't it what the DVD format is about? - I 'm not sure of the quality of my sentence

jseven said:

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SignOthetimes said:

There can only be songs from the show...

Dude said:

Agree, and "Strollin/U Want Me" is one of my favourite parts of the show. I love this relaxed, jazzy attitude he gave a few of his older songs. "Gotta Broken Heart Again" is another example. At least these two are included. I'm glad about that.

Hello all:
How about we wait for Prince to release the actual dvd officially befroe we all start getting crazy? You all should know Prince...that set list could change at any point right up until the release day!! So hang on everyone and wait until you get the actual dvd in your hands.
Has anyone ever heard of dvd easter eggs? Many many dvd's do have them so maybe some of these tunes will be hidden on the dvd.
Ok...I agree with you all on just how difficult it can be to get Prince's music between the dowloadable tunes that mess up to the long wait on cd's...it is all true...but Prince is not working with a record company anymore so he does not have the major backing to lend him a hand. Yes...a long time ago Prince did trust the industry and it is a shame that it all went the way it has gone...but Prince does still get music out to the fans a lot quicker than many other artists do. Some famous musicians put out music once every five years or so, with Prince we get music every year.
It is really cool that bands like Pearl Jam, Deep Purple, Dave Matthews, Gov't Mule, Metallica, The Grateful Dead, The Allman Brothers, give the fans a ton of access to a lot fo live shows not to mention a ton of studio recordings all of the time at an incredible rate...but Prince is not finished yet and it could happen at any time.
I feel that Prince's situation is as follows:
He does not want to get out too much music at one time as the fear of it becoming way to much too handle in the financial department. I mean Prince is without a record company so he does not have that extra support and he has to watch his income as far as profit margin is concerned with his releases. If way too much gets out there too fast then he may have to use several companies to distribute his music and then it becomes way to much to get his money back from the outlets. I am talking in profits. We do not work at Paisley Park...so I am just guessing...but I feel that this is a good guess!!
As NPGMC members true I kind of feel that we are not getting the Royal treatment as we all should...but I really just feel that it is not because Prince doesn't want to give us a lot at one time but just gets way too caught up in other things to stop for a second to get his club members their due.He is a musician and is always writing and recording so to stop for a minute and get things done that he initially said he would do.
Where is the " Best Of Prince," cd that he was talking of a while back? Where is the 10 cd set of masters redone in where other famous artists can use his music for sampling and only pay a one time fee without the royalties pin attached? Come on everyone I am right with you on may issues...but things do change!! Hang in there everyone and continue to support the grooves!! Just e-mail Paisley Park and ask about these things. Prince will hear you all!!
Nicky Tuzio
e-mail: tuztones@peoplepc.com

jn2 said:

well perhaps they did but as usual he didn't listen to them and carried on as normal ?

since when did Prince listen to ANYONE's advice about how to run his business in the last 10 years ?

Hey Gustavo, nice to see you're still around!

On this whole DVD issue, blehhh, you either buy it or you don't. All I can compare it too is that Led Zep DVD that came out recently. That was 2 discs, and each one was MUCH longer than 80 minutes in length. But Led Zep fans were still moaning that it was a muddle of shows, that there were no 1977 performances.. blah blah.

People are never happy, and Prince is just really stingy over releasing his music to the public. The disc could have been much longer.

tuztones said:

ha ha ha

he might be hear but he ain't damn listening ! since when did Prince care about his fans ?

face it - the guys a musician - plain and simple, not a businessman who cares about customer loyalty !

80 minutes of prince live will be 80 minutes more than I saw last year! I'm happy.

rod319 said:

- And what do you want? Purple Rain? Kiss? I would love to listen to new tracks too, but do you really think Prince would play ´Strange But true´, for example? He and the NPG only rehearsed a number of songs. Most of them appear in every concert, like ´TRC´ and ´The Work´, and some of them were played occasionally like ´Strollin´´ and ´Question of U´...but these ones are oldies too.

mattmcbr said:

- Well, I never saw ´NEWS` as a jazz album. It´s an instrumental album which is very tight IMO. The only disappointment is that Prince doesnt play a kick ass guitar solo, only some small bits. I am not an asskisser, I miss strong compositions. I enjoy it, but I dont consider it a main album. Prince is not a jazz musician, but he knows how to add quality jazzy stuff to his music (listen to the second part of ´She spoke to me´, the album version of ´Come´ and you will know what I am talking about. The ONA tour had very sophisticated arrangements too.


- I agree with you. The other music groups give so much more to his fans. The Rave DVD was a fiasco. This DVD would be so cool if it had extras, behind the scenes footage, etc. Why doesnt Prince hire a good professional team to work on his music?


- I always thought it never reached the full potential. What is the advantage of paying for something that will be released on stores 15 days after? I think the club should give some rare non-official stuff, like rehearsals, aftershows, etc.

MendesCity said:

- Me too...I never saw Prince live. Yesterday I saw Budokan VCD for the first time...it´s amazing. Great concert. Musically speaking, this ONA tour is fabulous. I am already happy.

GustavoRibas said:

jn2 said:

The problem is there is no such DVD that will completely satisfy the fams. At best he can have someone tell him "You know they are gonna be pissed no matter what you do..".

Something Big Is Coming

I regret that it is not a 12 mn DVD , someone would write:
12 minutes of prince live will be 12 minutes more than I saw last year! I'm happy.

On this whole DVD issue, blehhh, you either buy it or you don't
I will wait until Christmas, maybe we will have a 81 mn limited edition director's cut
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The only thing I dont agree with is the Prince is not a Jazz musician thing. What would classify a person as jazz musician? I would think it would be based on if you can play jazz, and whether you could play it well or not. Prince has jazz roots going back to his own Father, sessions with Miles Davis and Shelia E, who is a latin JAZZ drummer, and Rhondah S who is a Jazz bassist who patterns her style after Jaco Pastorius. For the person who said he is not a jazz musician, pay close attention to the Sign O The Times film. He incorperates " Take The A Train" by Duke Ellington during Gonna be a beautiful night. As well as a exellent cover of Nows The Time by Charlie Parker. How you got the impression that he just woke up one morning and decided to play jazz is beyond me.
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jn2 said:

Unfortunately, I don't think the true fams are the target audience for this DVD. He's reaching for a wider audience, and maybe he thinks that casual observers won't have the patience to sit through a 3 hour show! Maybe it wasn't Prince himself but the distributors that pushed for this edited version of the show, but somewhere along the line an executive decision was made to tailor the DVD to suit a release to the general public rather than just the loyal NPGMC members! I hate to say it, but he already has our subscription $$$'s...now he's looking for new members to join up! This track list seems to be a somewhat dishonest representation of an otherwise fantastic show...I know, cause I was there! (Ironic isn't it that the various bootleg shows floating around, while dishonest in their methods, are actually a more honest representation of the actual concert experience!) Check out the attached press release info and tell me he's not after those people that still think he's just an 80's has-been!! Well, good luck...I hope he does manage to open a few of their eyes (and wallets)...but I don't know! I really think he needs to just be grateful for the loyal fams that he already has, that have stuck with him through thick and thin!

"Prince live performances are the stuff of which legends are made--and the first official DVD from his own NPG Music Club, Prince Live At The Aladdin Las Vegas (NPG Music Club/Hip-O Records), released August 19, 2003, is no exception. Recorded December 15, 2002, during the Sin City stop on his most recent tour,the approximately 90-minute Prince Live At The Aladdin Las Vegas brings the Prince experience home. The concert headlining Prince and the NPG (New Power Generation) also features special guests Nikka Costa, Maceo Parker and Sheila E. With Parker on sax and long-time Prince compatriot Sheila E. on percussion, His Royal Badness is backed by a band of bassist Rhonda Smith, keyboardist Renato Neto, trombonist Greg Boyer, saxman Eric Leeds and drummer John Blackwell. Brilliant musician, charismatic performer and one of pop's most influential figures, Prince takes his blazing guitar in hand and rocks the house for several thousand fans. Delving into his classic `80s era, the party is on as he performs full-blown renditions of "Gotta Broken (Heart) Again" (originally heard on 1980's Dirty Mind), "Take Me With U" (from 1984's Purple Rain), "Pop Life" (from 1985's Around The World In A Day), "Sometimes It Snows In April" (from 1986's Parade, which was also the soundtrack to Under The Cherry Moon "Strange Relationship" (from 1987's Sign O' The Times) and "Money Don't Matter 2 Night/The Work" (from 1991's Diamonds And Pearls). "1+1+1=3" includes the Ohio Players' masterpiece "Love Rollercoaster" and Prince's own "Housequake" (from Sign O' The Times). An excerpt from a yet-to-be-released song, "U Want Me," is attached to another Diamonds And Pearls track, "Strollin'." Three more recent recordings get the Princely treatment as well: "Family Name" and "The Everlasting Now" from 2001's The Rainbow Children, and a bonus clip of "The Ride" from 1998's Crystal Ball. In addition, Costa joins him on "Push And Pull" from her 2001 U.S. debut Everybody Got Their Something. Prince and crew also cover "Pass The Peas," the vintage number from The JB's, James Brown's backing band which included Parker, and Led Zeppelin's psychedelic rocker "Whole Lotta Love." Prince Live At The Aladdin Las Vegas follows the June release via the NPG Music Club of his latest album, N.E.W.S., which contains only four songs, "North," "East," "West" and "South," each clocking in at 14 minutes. N.E.W.S. is Prince's first album of new material since The Rainbow Children, another concept album originally released through his npgmusicclub.com Web site."

(P.S. I can't believe they're still referring to him as "His Royal Badness"!!!)
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SignOthetimes said:

Kiss and Chaos weren't even performed during this tour. I was looking forward to Anna Stesia, Raspberry Beret, and others, but OH WELL. The Bootleg of Las Vegas will come. I was expecting a 2dvd set that would contain the majority of the show.

rudedog said:

I don't know it seems like when Prince releases things like

this he doesn't seem to want to go all out with the

content. With as much live material as Prince has it

really should be a lot more on there. The bonus footage

should be a heck of alot better as well I mean how about

an interview or some unreleased videos or even some

classic concert footage. Also I wonder if the bonus

footage of The Ride will be the FULL performance or a

snippet of the performance like the bonus footage on the

Rave DVD (which I'm still baffeled as 2 why they butcherd

those performances instead of playing all of it.).Lets

take it back to the Purple Rain Live release which I felt

worth every penny. It wasn't cut in half they didn't stop

in between songs to show interviews or get fams opinions

on Prince (which we know what their going to say anyway)

no guest apperances just straight Prince doing what he does

best. So I hope your right about taking this info with a

grain of salt but again this is very typical of a live

Prince visual release provided it isn't pulled at the last

minute.

anyway.

funkystuff said:

Amen!!! How come he can't see it? I've bought other live DVD's from artist that don't even come close 2 having Prince's talents and yet their DVD's seem 2 be way better.

Who's in charge over there at Paisley for putting all this

substandard material out. They need 2 B fired!!!

ewm232003 said:

erm - that'd be Prince