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Reply #60 posted 07/09/03 8:51am

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I, for one, would love to hear it. I like Jay-Z's records and he is a good rapper. I would love to see it happen but don't know if it will for sure. And what did Jay-Z do with MJ musically?
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Reply #61 posted 07/09/03 8:56am

Krid

gemineye69 said:[quote]Not all Neo Soul sucks... and if it sounds the same 2 some people it's because it is born out of a Philly sound that is put 2gether by artists that run in the same circle (Jill Scott, Common, Musiq, Badu, etc).

About Neo Soul - man, gotta say, what's in a label stuck to a certain music style? There is some excellent music to be found in every genre, so look around in Rap, HipHop, Funk, Soul, Rock etc., and you'll find good and bad...

But I got to agree - Common is great. Just listen to the great track he drops on Roy Hargrove's new album (which in itself is just one amazing piece of music - if Prince is into some "jazzy" music these days, this should be a definite reference point for him...)

Soo looonnnggg
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Reply #62 posted 07/09/03 3:14pm

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R u ppl NUTS???!!! omfg

Talk about a new low. Prince collaborating with Jay-Z?

disbelief Prince isn't the hoodlum type, and thank God he has a bit more class than that.

And if Prince WERE to agree to it, he'd be lumped together with MJ as "just another has-been brought back from the dead for another one-hit wonder collabo."

disbelief No, no, no.
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Reply #63 posted 07/09/03 3:19pm

Nep2nes

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i personally think it would b good 4 his career if he did it bcus then more ppl wuld hear his music and mayb he culd come back as the huge hit he used 2 b (& is 2 me).


If it requires Prince to sell out, I'd rather he not "come back." hmph!
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Reply #64 posted 07/09/03 4:04pm

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Ummm...he worked with Eve (another 'mainstream' rapper who uses bad words)...so doesn't that mean he already sold out? If so, then what difference does it make if he works with Jay-Z?
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Reply #65 posted 07/09/03 4:37pm

gemineye69

Krid said:
"But I got to agree - Common is great. Just listen to the great track he drops on Roy Hargrove's new album (which in itself is just one amazing piece of music - if Prince is into some "jazzy" music these days, this should be a definite reference point for him..."

Much love 2 Roy Hargrove. They play cuts from that album on XM!! And what's funny is he's been around in the jazz scene for awhile, but it took a young D'Angelo 2 keep his name alive by collaborating on the Brown Sugar album!


VinnyM27:
"I, for one, would love to hear it. I like Jay-Z's records and he is a good rapper. I would love to see it happen but don't know if it will for sure. And what did Jay-Z do with MJ musically?"

There is a remix of "You Rock My World" with Jay Z and they did another song that was supposed to be on "The Blueprint" but didn't make the cut.

Nep2unes said:
"R u ppl NUTS???!!!
Talk about a new low. Prince collaborating with Jay-Z?
Prince isn't the hoodlum type, and thank God he has a bit more class than that."

fro
Did U ever think that just maybe it would help Jay Z more than it would help Prince? Contrary 2 popular belief, there are songs that Hova has done that don't exploit (see "Song Cry"), and maybe Prince can help a brotha write positively. People need 2 encourage artists 2 expand their horizons. It's important 4 music 2 grow.


GEMIN eye
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Reply #66 posted 07/09/03 10:20pm

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Oh and "Generation X" are now in their 30's...really disliked that term...generation my...[/quote]

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Reply #67 posted 07/11/03 5:38pm

tholland

Nikster said:

Ummm...he worked with Eve (another 'mainstream' rapper who uses bad words)...so doesn't that mean he already sold out? If so, then what difference does it make if he works with Jay-Z?
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Reply #68 posted 07/11/03 5:48pm

tholland

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http://www.vh1.com/artist...ince.jhtml
"I'm trying to get a song on there with Prince, then I'm good," Hov disclosed of his plans for his next and supposedly last LP, The Black Album. "I [worked with] Michael Jackson [before], I got that one done. So for Prince to be the last one, I'mma be good."



Lets face it--We all want to see Prince make a major comeback. I turned on the radio today and i hear R kelly on three different radio staions. I wonder how much of a influence prince has have on his music. But Now since Prince has flip the script on everbody the new generation has replace him. Prince is talented and i believe he could come back with a hard cd that would make R kelly and the rest of the wanna be take notes. I have nothing against Kelly but i believe he has taken it to a different level.You have to admit his music does paint a picture if not a graphic image but a suttle one--Much like Prince music did back in the day. It makes you wanna dance, clap, sing whatever. My point is R kelly is the replacement
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Reply #69 posted 07/12/03 12:32pm

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tholland said:

Lets face it--We all want to see Prince make a major comeback. I turned on the radio today and i hear R kelly on three different radio staions. I wonder how much of a influence prince has have on his music. But Now since Prince has flip the script on everbody the new generation has replace him. Prince is talented and i believe he could come back with a hard cd that would make R kelly and the rest of the wanna be take notes.

- If Prince really wanted to, he could make a hard and funky CD. He has talent to make it, but to put a big hit on radios, the record companies should be interested in promoting it, and it´s not easy, because they dont trust him.
I wish he had a hit, but on his terms, making the music that he wants to (and not being remixed by a famous DJ like Whitney did, or with guest stars like Santana did) and it´s real hard, because he is not the kind of guy that appeals to teens. In the 80s, he was considered ´new and fresh´ and it spoke to the teens, because he was a teen. Now I think it would be easier for him to communicate to an older generation, like Bruce Springsteen and Sting did.
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Reply #70 posted 07/12/03 4:17pm

brownie20

tholland said:

zrzrzrzr said:

http://www.vh1.com/artist...ince.jhtml
"I'm trying to get a song on there with Prince, then I'm good," Hov disclosed of his plans for his next and supposedly last LP, The Black Album. "I [worked with] Michael Jackson [before], I got that one done. So for Prince to be the last one, I'mma be good."



Lets face it--We all want to see Prince make a major comeback. I turned on the radio today and i hear R kelly on three different radio staions. I wonder how much of a influence prince has have on his music. But Now since Prince has flip the script on everbody the new generation has replace him. Prince is talented and i believe he could come back with a hard cd that would make R kelly and the rest of the wanna be take notes. I have nothing against Kelly but i believe he has taken it to a different level.You have to admit his music does paint a picture if not a graphic image but a suttle one--Much like Prince music did back in the day. It makes you wanna dance, clap, sing whatever. My point is R kelly is the replacement



Actually R. Kelly's style is more compared with Marvin Gaye and Jefferey Osbourne, especially with the sound of his new album (i.e. the last few songs). i really don't think any artist has been able to capture Prince's style and fame to be a replacement.
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Reply #71 posted 07/12/03 8:05pm

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brownie20 said:


Actually R. Kelly's style is more compared with Marvin Gaye and Jefferey Osbourne, especially with the sound of his new album (i.e. the last few songs). i really don't think any artist has been able to capture Prince's style and fame to be a replacement.

- Very true...I am still waiting for a ´new Prince´...because most of the good talents of today like Maxwell and D´angelo are more into soul than funk, specially smooth soul. Lenny Kravitz is real talented, and more focused into rock, but IMO not so genius as Prince.
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Reply #72 posted 07/12/03 10:08pm

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No! Prince does not need too. Let Jay-Z create his own black album... wink

Prince does not need to repeat history... Prince is chillin... and doin just fine... guitar
All them hippies need too leave him alone... wink
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Reply #73 posted 07/13/03 11:14am

Darshy

brownie20 said:

I hope P doesn't make that move. it seems like jay z is just trying to boost his ego by saying he's worked with legends. Besides since P is a jehova's witness(ugh), I don't think he'll do it anyways


brownie's footnote ( i.e. not the above passage ) anger's me. unfortunately it seem's like i'm the only one. but i guess, that's just society; criticise anyone on the normality spectrum and you'll have their supporter's attacking you, but if you mock, degrade, demean those with learning difficulties/ special needs, well that's just o.k., right? i know it's a nasty thing to say, but i can't help what i'm thinking, and what i'm thinking is that i hope brownie's loved one, maybe his future child, is afflicted in this way. a horrible thing to wish, but only then will he probably realise. shame on you.
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Reply #74 posted 07/13/03 11:32am

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popgodazipa said:[quote]Prince recently did a collaboration with Common on Star 69, ended up being an instrumental snippet added to the end of the track. Hope Jay the best with this one, he is one of my favorite artist.

lmao...are you serious? please stop spreading misinformation.

prince plays keys on Star 69 kid...the instrumental outro is ?uestlove and James Poyser at Paisley Park on the Linn drum.
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Reply #75 posted 07/13/03 5:06pm

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FlyingCloudPassenger said:


And Days Of Wild was too...peep the lyrics:
Tennis shoes and caps, now that's phat
Up until the day another wanna laugh behind your back
Sayin' we all look the same, huh


It's a total slam song on the herd mentality, the unoriginality and violence and fake tough attitudes in Rap/Hip Hop.

Now, the thing about Rock N Roll and Jazz, is that it was still based on musicianship. Their was a musicality. There was no hopping on a drum beat and letting that make it a song. No, they're were key changes, elements of real music. THat is why it progressed and gained acceptance and mass appeal.

It's always a typical excuse that's reached for on the shelf of "Hip Hop Defending" to use Rock N' Roll and Jazzs' history to excuse Hip Hop.

Look, sure in the early era of Rap/Hip Hop, it was cool, it was daring new style, it was spoke to a certain people, they needed heroes who understood them. They had for a moment developed into something educational, important.

But somewhere in the early to mid 90's, it went bad. Just like when a kid get's into a gang...yes, suddenly the promising cool little kid, boy or girl, gets initiated into a neighborhood gang. All hopes are lost.

Well, it happened like that to Rap/Hip Hop. Just when they had Public Enemy, the gang bangers come in and cancerize the medium.

Suddenly it's cool to "gang bang". That same subculture, a super negative, desctructive, low self esteem one, now are the heroes. Kids now act like gang bangers. ANd what do people like that do? Things with little regard to the safety or the lives of others. It's a fact.

When I saw that in Rap, I was saddened, disgusted. If you thought Purple Rain was sexist with the trash can scene, sheesh, this was worst! And it was based on reality. The drive by killings, the intimidations of neighborhoods, the gang hand sign flashings...I still shudder to think that this became "cool".

And of course on top of that, no musicianship. Just talkin', talkin' loud and sayin' NOTHING.

I think what happened with Rap in Prince's musical journey was that it turned into something to appeal to a new audience and then it evolved into trying to change it with songs like Love Sign and so forth. But you can't change a gang banger.

Anyway, enough of my observations, but I do think this is why their is a big devision of people that "hate" on rap and people that defend it. The realities of it are not experienced by the "Fortunate Ones", those that buy into it.


There are many elements of what you say that I can agree with, but the reductionist attitude i detect in them that strings them together makes me disagree with you. I could launch into a 2 page rebuttal...but i'll just say a couple things.

Hip Hop expanded the definition of music. Some still prefer the old dictionary unfortunately. However, if you're searching for chord and melodic changes maybe if you listen to some of the layered flows and sing-songy lyrics of artists out there, maybe you'd be able to translate this music into something you deem as 'real music'. If not, oh well... it was never intended to meet that definition in the first place, and therein lies the true spirit of hip hop.

Hip Hop did not create gang-banging...it was unfortunately 'alive and well' before NWA brought it into your consciousness. You can't change a gang banger?? You can't try to teach someone a lesson without getting at least some feel for their point of view and how it developed. Your equating social ills with the music in such an elitist fashion is disturbing. Do some more reading, listening and learning before feeding me that garbage again. The industry cares that there are new 'Public Enemy's' about as much as it cared that Charlie Parker barely made a living and died young. please.

Hip Hop is still very much a young and developing art form. If you're one of the people who believes 'oh it was cool, but now its not' you probably were a dime-store listener anyway, who isn't familiar with the more musical and inventive sides of the art...something like a person who on Prince will say "back during Purple Rain he was cool, but then...(blah blah)"

Hip Hop and the hip-hop you're exposed to by MTV and even BET, are two very different things. I'd bet my life that the powers that be are not scanning the landscape for the most inventive, "non-herd" artists when they create their playlists.

ok... i'm outta here..
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Reply #76 posted 07/13/03 5:31pm

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gemineye69 said:

Krid said:
"But I got to agree - Common is great. Just listen to the great track he drops on Roy Hargrove's new album (which in itself is just one amazing piece of music - if Prince is into some "jazzy" music these days, this should be a definite reference point for him..."

Nep2unes said:
"R u ppl NUTS???!!!
Talk about a new low. Prince collaborating with Jay-Z?
Prince isn't the hoodlum type, and thank God he has a bit more class than that."

fro
Did U ever think that just maybe it would help Jay Z more than it would help Prince? Contrary 2 popular belief, there are songs that Hova has done that don't exploit (see "Song Cry"), and maybe Prince can help a brotha write positively. People need 2 encourage artists 2 expand their horizons. It's important 4 music 2 grow.


GEMIN eye


oh i got so upset, i forgot my main point... think about the artistic 'sharing' that went on with Lisa and Wendy, with Eric Leeds, even the appreciation for Clare Fischer's work. All of that allowed Prince to be exposed to what he didn't innately understand, what he hadn't listened to before, and find things he could meld with his own. With the so-called "failed experiment with rap" circa Tony M. & GameBoyz era, I think the failure was that Prince didn't link up with hip hop artists innovative enough to show him the essence of the music and where it could go.

If he spends time jamming with Questlove and the Roots (the hub of the Philly soul resurgence), watching Common, Jay Z, Nas, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, and even Eminem put their flows together, share views about lyrical content, feel some of the flava RES, and Kelis/the Neptunes are bringing see how The RZA from WuTang puts his sounds together...and how masters like Jazzy Jeff take the old and make it new again...maybe even spend more time with THEN he'd have some experiences that he can take back up to Paisley Park and marinate on. and THEN we might see something distinctly wicked and on the vanguard coming from Prince again. All of the above could help him reach the charts again, but only real interaction could allow him to figure out what the genre has to offer his artistic development.

Jay-Z, like many thuggish rappers has more to him than that bling bling character. It just remains to be seen whether the industry and market will allow these guys to grow and become more well-rounded figures in how they express their art... and likewise, how willing they are to risk that artistic leap toward expressing other sides of themselves even though its not whats expected of them. Most rappers never get the chance to develop as artists... maybe interaction with Prince, a Me'Shell, even Lenny or a Jeffrey Gaines would infuse their art with new flavor as well.
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Reply #77 posted 07/14/03 4:43pm

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FlyingCloudPassenger said:

omfg nnnNNNOOO!

shake Don't do it Prince, don't DON'T...dddDDOOONNN'''TTT!!!

That rap phase is over Prince...we'll join your club faster... err we'll buy every non-WB album from the club...twice... batting eyes we'll mow your Paisley Park lawn...we'll get grandma to join the club...naw man...

Don't do it it man, not Jay Z... doh!, stay away, you can't change them...nooo, nooo pray oh please oh please...nooo nooo pray
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Reply #78 posted 07/14/03 4:45pm

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FlyingCloudPassenger said:

omfg nnnNNNOOO!

shake Don't do it Prince, don't DON'T...dddDDOOONNN'''TTT!!!

That rap phase is over Prince...we'll join your club faster... err we'll buy every non-WB album from the club...twice... batting eyes we'll mow your Paisley Park lawn...we'll get grandma to join the club...naw man...

Don't do it it man, not Jay Z... doh!, stay away, you can't change them...nooo, nooo pray oh please oh please...nooo nooo pray


i MOST DEFENITELY AGREE WITH YOU. i HOPE HE DOESN'T DO IT. jUST lEAVE HIM ALONE!!!
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