Mmmm...if it doesn't get a Australian release, looks like I'm going to have to import it.

Well, the way I heard it, or read it, Bart's website was one of those sued by Prince's lawyers and he's held a grudge ever since.
If you think he's a downer now, you should have checked out the old prince.org. He had the same one track mind, just a whole lot more of it. Bart's constant mantra "All Prince cares about is money", hasn't changed one iota.
So for all those wondering why he spends years and years constantly complaining about an artist (on a website devoted to said artist, mind you) he can't stand anymore, wonder no more.
While others who have lost interest in Prince and his music move on, Bart the embittered, holds onto his grudge with the deathgrip of a man in full blown rigor mortis.
Whatever floats your boat.

Happy Fourth of July, everybody!

shygirl said:

Wrong.

shygirl said:

And it is still true, it has never been disproven (and actually Prince keeps proving I'm right again and again and again and again...).

Let's see: I correctly predicted Rave would suck and bomb, I correctly assessed Uptown's early review of Rave as not positive at all, I correctly predicted the first version of NPGMC woudl consist of QT + Java + mp3s and would suck, etc.

hilarious

BartVanHemelen said:

He didn't get MY money!


I don't pretend. It's no surpise, since I know this is the same thing that happened last year and year 1.


No suprise either, like "NPGMC gives no refunds"; As far as I can tell customer service and consumer rights have never crossed their minds.

pfunk77 said:

Why don't you stop worrying about what I have to say? If I think Prince is screwing his fans then that's just what I think. Or are you somehow personally offended by it?

GustavoRibas said:

I completely agree with that; Prince should do as he promised years ago: a truly free club where fans can get the rare stuff, like concerts and aftershows and plenty of vault material, provided they are charged fairly, their consumer rights respected and their orders handled by proper customer service. So no more rehashed old and boring stuff from the late 90's, no more b.s. about cd's being "exclusive", no more terrible custmore service, no more disrespect for consumer rights and no more totally ridiculous prices.

Oh well somebody tell me: did Prince ever managed to keep a promise and think past the dollarbill?

slm4m said:

yeah that's what I said.


Yeah and it's only natural for Prince to bitch for years at the majors and then do business again with them whenever it suits his wallet.

shygirl said:

Funny how much attention he still gets from the fams.

huggy said:

You appear to be on a mission to comment negatively on nearly everything Prince does. This is your right, but I personally feel that most of your statements and accusations are ridiculous and are colored by some sort of vendetta you seem to have against Prince.

My experience with Prince over the past several years seems to be 180-degrees removed from yours and I offer it up as a counterpoint. So when you call for "no more ridiculous prices" or ask "Did Prince ever manage to keep a promise and think past the dollar bill?" I reserve the right to say that I think you're full of BS.

pfunk77 said:

Are you following me around in here or something? When I have got something to say I say it whether it is preceived as negative or not.


And I think that your statements are colored by some sort of defense in the name of Prince against me, which seems to me much more ridiculous than I appear to be doing.

That's fine; I am not bothered by you. Yet the same does not hold for you. If you want to pay 18.99$ for 4 instrumental tunes Prince could play in his sleep, which is promised first as "members only", but then (like always) offered to non-members for much less you are sticking your head in your ass and are screwed. But since you wanted that and feel it is so good what Prince does, then that is your right.
However if you try and tell me that his business practices are normal, good , correct or anything remotely "positive" you can think of, then I also "reserve the right" to say that I think you're full of BS.
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[This message was edited Tue Jul 8 0:35:20 PDT 2003 by huggy]

pfunk77 said:

And yet you cannot offer a single argument to disprove anything he's said.

What bothers you is not his negativity, but that he's putting his finger in the wound time and time again. Alas, you know that you can't disprove what he's saying, so instead you come up with this lame "some sort of vendetta" crap. If he's wrong, prove it. Simple as that.

BartVanHemelen said:

Bullshit. Your statement says far more about YOU than it does me. I can accept that not everyone agrees with everything that Prince does. But you cannot accept that ANYONE agrees with ANYTHING that he does. Your viewpoint surfaces time and time again: you feel that Prince is screwing over his fans with each and every thing that he does, and you go out of your way try to convince each and every person here that they are being taken advantage of. So "vendetta" is quite an apt word.

I could be here for hours arguing point by point, but because it's so important to you I'll start with the two from my last post: 1) $10 + $3 P/H is a more than fair price for a 56-minute album and 2) the statement that Prince always puts money over his "promises" is simply insane.

Finally, I come back to something that I've asked before - you and Huggy are clearly not Prince fans - any more. I'm sure that you were at some point, but those days seem to be over. You clearly do not enjoy either the man's recent music or his practices. So what's the attraction to coming here to bitch, bitch, bitch?

pfunk77 said:

Guess what? In the past few days it has emerged there are online retailers with will beat NPGMC when it comes to delivering NEWS in BOTH price and delivery time.

pfunk77 said:

In both of those cases you don't argue shit. It's not about fair price, it's about club members not getting the best deal. You can cownload the entire album from MSN for $7 -- RIGHT NOW.

Just look at the overwhelming evidence: at no point NPGMC ever told beforehand that:
a) the CD release date was a scam since the CD wouldn't be available for shipping until at least a week later
b) the CD would be available to regular channels soon, so soon in fact that there will be plenty of NPGMC members outside the US that will see it in stores BEFORE their NPGMC shipment has reached them, and even worse: it will be CHEAPER. That's a FACT.

If they'd told both of these, do you think there would be any need for a second wave of shipments, let alone a third? HELL NO. Even to this day the Google ad reads:

---

New Prince CD exclusive
N.E.W.S now on sale only at NPGMC.
join now for live DVD preview, too!
www.npgmusicclub.com

---

Notice that word "exclusive"? Or that phrase "now on sale"? Those are LIES, since at this moment there are NO more copies available, and when they will be available again is at a date that the CD will be instores around the world.

There, nothing but FACTS. And all point to one thing: "get the money and run". Keep people stupid, make them spend in the hopes of getting another CD worth selling for lots at eBay and "forget" to inform the people spending all that money that it will be in stores before most will even get their CDs.

BartVanHemelen said:



Hail Bart!!! Psychic to the Org!!! Tell us Bart, what will Prince to next??

BartVanHemelen said:

How do you know that as a FACT??? Do you know ANYONE who was able 2 buy NEWS (The real cd, not mp3) outside the club, and getting it delivered before and cheaper than the club members???

BartVanHemelen said:

So what...It's NOT the same deal as the REAL cd, and that's a FACT!!!

BartVanHemelen said:

Did you expect the cd 2 drop at your doorstep the same day as you placed your order???

I'm not saying that Prince / NPGMC is perfect, but as far as I know, NO NEWS will be available 2 the public before clubmembers got their NEWS. Stop your FACTS before they are REAL FACTS.

N.E.W.S. is on its way to members as we speak. No-one has the CD from retail yet.

Perhaps they're not the same in every detail.

I wonder.

pfunk77 said:

Errr... wrong I am a Prince MUSIC fan, but not a fan of the man. I've never been a fan of the man, since I don't know him personally and once you are a fan of the man himself you cross the line of idolatry and you can't think straight anymore. (examples run rampant in here)

So it is basically very simple: Prince promises thousands of people worldwide, "exclusive" music, i.e. only avalaible at the club. However: first he takes 25$ from thousands of peoplefor a basic membership without music and then he charges non-American fans 18.99$ for a cheap cd consisting of 4 instrumentals, which THEN (after he made his investment back) is also quickly released to the general public in violation of the club "exclusive" offer... AND not just that: no... it is delivered much faster AND much cheaper.

In short: like during the first 2 years of this "club", members who are loyal to the lies of "free the music"(where are those vault tracks???), to the bogus about recordcompanies charging ridiculous prices (yes, Prince bitched and bitched about that too!) and still put their faith in the man (Oh prince is such "a lover of truth and God" ), are being screwed ... AGAIN.

Q:No how can YOU defend CRAP like that?
A:You can't.
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[This message was edited Wed Jul 9 1:15:59 PDT 2003 by huggy]

Dude said:

Plenty of European fans will experience that pretty soon.

Dude said:

Let's wait and see. Already there are people cancelling their orders with NPGMC because they KNOW that they'll find the CD in their local stores before they would have gotten theirs from NPGMC, and they'll pay less. It's not just me.

NEWS available at play.com £9.99 inc. p&p.
and at cd wow £8.99 inc. p&p dispatch date 21 july.
Both very good online stores

WAH WAH WAH, GET A LIFE.

DIE HARD PRINCE FANS BUY ANYTHING HE PUTS OUT

SO ALL YOU HATERS, IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT HE IS DOING NOW

WITH HIS MUSIC AND NPG MUSIC CLUB, JUST MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE

THE DIE HARD FAMS WILL BE OK.

npg4vr said:

hey, lets look at the evidence here

1) Login name of "NPG4VR"
2) Use of the word "haters"
3) use of the word "fams"

verdict = TWAT

(well either that or Larry's started posting again)

Listen people, I don't agree with the way prince markets himself these days. I wanted, and still want to see those exclusives that only he can deliver. I am also surprised by the fact that out of a major recording contract he seemingly releases less music than more! However...

...Prince remains the most creative and enduring of all recording artists. If I say "Madonna", do you reply "great singer", "cutting edge", "not beholdent to her label"... I would say, can't sing, repetative lyrics, and a complete ho to the industry. Without a producer, that woman ain't jack.

If you don't want to buy from him, then don't. I would say I'd rather have him with my money, then let the record companies divide it up, and give him a bit, he is the one creating the music! Look at Issac Hayes, and see if that man is happy with his contract.

That said, I really think his site content needs to improve.