Turn Prince again Mayte/? I hear so much talk being that I work in the film industry I hear a lot of actors talking and they say L.G is not innocent and he introduced Prince to Manny. Man I just miss him and I am sorry I have to find somene to blame for taking him for us smh

all lies.

I think Mani got herself introduced all by herself. She was a long-time fan. Alot of this info is in past threads.

heavenhollywood said:

Turn Prince again Mayte/? I hear so much talk being that I work in the film industry I hear a lot of actors talking and they say L.G is not innocent and he introduced Prince to Manny. Man I just miss him and I am sorry I have to find somene to blame for taking him for us smh

The Truth is somewhere between the 1999/2000Rave interviews and the Rainbow Children

heavenhollywood said:

Turn Prince again Mayte/? I hear so much talk being that I work in the film industry I hear a lot of actors talking and they say L.G is not innocent and he introduced Prince to Manny. Man I just miss him and I am sorry I have to find somene to blame for taking him for us smh

In what way do these two very different events collaborate? Prince died because of Prince ( And some enablers let it happen ) but ultimately, we can mainly blame Prince for not taking the second chance he was given after the emergency landing. As sad as it is.

Also, I forgot to add: Prince was a grown ass man, he decided he wanted Mani in his life and he decided that the marriage is over. It's silly to believe that another person had such a power over him. Did Larry manipulate him during his most vulnerable moment? POSSIBLY but we can't say for sure. Maybe Graham just used that moment for his own personal agenda, maybe Prince would've gotten into that religion anyway, who knows. But did he have any influence on their marriage? I don't think so

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OperatingThetan said:

Prince's first JW contact was George Benson. As a JW Elder, Larry's position would not be to encourage a divorce or introduce 'other women' to Prince. In fact, quite the contrary. Mani was a fan of Prince for many years before she met him. At one time, there were even posts by her still public on prince.org. Regardless, she was not a JW when Prince met her and there's no evidence Larry knew her previously either. Neither Jehovah's Witnesses or Larry Graham (as a JW in good standing) would approve or advocate Prince or any other congregation member taking or becoming dependent, on illegal opiates sourced from the street. This may have been one reason of many Prince hid his addiction, but JWs are not directly accountable. As a group JWs are generally clean-living. Members can be disfellowshipped (expelled) from their congregation for smoking and drunkeness is not tolerated either. Whatever misgivings I may personally have regarding the tenets and doctrines of JWs, this is not one of them.

What do you mean George Benson was Prince's first JW contact?

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I suspect like many of us we knew or come across a few Jehovah's Witnesses in our lives

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But Larry Graham came into Prince's space by 1997 because he performed with him a few times with Chaka Khan. Prince met Larry at a Jam Of The Year aftershow in Nashville on August 23rd 1997. Sinbad (the comedian) was on tour, and part of his tour featured Graham Central Station. It was Prince who said Larry brought him into the JW learning and denomination. George Benson hung out with Prince sometimes but even said Prince was already in the JW by the time. He was at Prince's wedding in Maui to Mani. George Benson met Prince in the latter 1990s.

OldFriends4Sale said:

OperatingThetan said:

Prince's first JW contact was George Benson. As a JW Elder, Larry's position would not be to encourage a divorce or introduce 'other women' to Prince. In fact, quite the contrary. Mani was a fan of Prince for many years before she met him. At one time, there were even posts by her still public on prince.org. Regardless, she was not a JW when Prince met her and there's no evidence Larry knew her previously either. Neither Jehovah's Witnesses or Larry Graham (as a JW in good standing) would approve or advocate Prince or any other congregation member taking or becoming dependent, on illegal opiates sourced from the street. This may have been one reason of many Prince hid his addiction, but JWs are not directly accountable. As a group JWs are generally clean-living. Members can be disfellowshipped (expelled) from their congregation for smoking and drunkeness is not tolerated either. Whatever misgivings I may personally have regarding the tenets and doctrines of JWs, this is not one of them.

What do you mean George Benson was Prince's first JW contact?

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I suspect like many of us we knew or come across a few Jehovah's Witnesses in our lives

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But Larry Graham came into Prince's space by 1997 because he performed with him a few times with Chaka Khan. Prince met Larry at a Jam Of The Year aftershow in Nashville on August 23rd 1997. Sinbad (the comedian) was on tour, and part of his tour featured Graham Central Station. It was Prince who said Larry brought him into the JW learning and denomination. George Benson hung out with Prince sometimes but even said Prince was already in the JW by the time. He was at Prince's wedding in Maui to Mani. George Benson met Prince in the latter 1990s.

No, they met much earlier, and George Benson gave him a signed guitar around 1995, one of his trademark Gibsons. You are right about the 1997 meeting between Prince and Larry in Nashville though.

I remember reading a Larry Graham interview in a Jazz magazine in 1995 where he mentioned that he heard from others that Prince was doing cover versions of his songs ( The Jam, Hair, I Believe in You ) and two years later they met.

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So folks in the film industry talk about LG´s influence on Prince and hooking him up with M2 ?

Seriously ?

Mayte's book explains this quite well.

OperatingThetan said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

TheTruth123 said:

TheTruth123 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

In what way do these two very different events collaborate? Prince died because of Prince ( And some enablers let it happen ) but ultimately, we can mainly blame Prince for not taking the second chance he was given after the emergency landing. As sad as it is.

Also, I forgot to add: Prince was a grown ass man, he decided he wanted Mani in his life and he decided that the marriage is over. It's silly to believe that another person had such a power over him. Did Larry manipulate him during his most vulnerable moment? POSSIBLY but we can't say for sure. Maybe Graham just used that moment for his own personal agenda, maybe Prince would've gotten into that religion anyway, who knows. But did he have any influence on their marriage? I don't think so

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It was a rebound. He said so in rock ‘n’ roll love affair. He was traumatized by the death of his son, and because of that he acted out in ways he wouldn’t have normally. It’s very human and very normal. I’ve also believe that he believed that maybe it wasn’t meant to be. I don’t know if he was right or wrong about that. I believe that Prince was a man and a soul who was always meant to be free, unattached. You couldn’t hold him down because he was just that high with God and self. Not in a bad way either. He was independent and the more independent the closer to God he was. And let’s be clear about something (not to anyone specifically but to all): Becoming one of Jehovah’s Witnesses saved his life at that point. It was the real beginning of his spiritual journey. [Edited 9/27/19 15:04pm] [Edited 9/27/19 15:42pm]

What do you mean by 'couldn't hold him down'? I don't think at all that Mayte was trying to hold him down. But in a 1999 interview where he talked about contracts and looking at another beaufiul woman but cannot do anything because of the contract. Then that is just another word for cheat.

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I don't think Prince was more in tuned with God than most people or that high up, if he was he would be laying hands on the sick and they recover lol I have a sister in law, that thinks herself like that. But it is usually her making 'God' fit into her way of thinking when she is making decisions. And no bad decision is really a bad decision, it's always a part of the master plan. God approves it blah blah blah. But I do believe on some level Mayte not being able to produce children and not converting to JW had a lot with Prince wanting to be free and unattached.

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The Wise One who understood the law that was handed down from God long ago, held fast in his belief that the Lord would bring him another one who loved him so

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How do we really know becoming a JW saved his life though? We don't really know how Prince would could have rebounded afterwards.

Several posters have mentioned either JW or LG 'saved P's life' after his son's death. Is this literal?

PeggyO said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

TheTruth123 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

What do you mean by 'couldn't hold him down'? I don't think at all that Mayte was trying to hold him down. But in a 1999 interview where he talked about contracts and looking at another beaufiul woman but cannot do anything because of the contract. Then that is just another word for cheat.

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I don't think Prince was more in tuned with God than most people or that high up, if he was he would be laying hands on the sick and they recover lol I have a sister in law, that thinks herself like that. But it is usually her making 'God' fit into her way of thinking when she is making decisions. And no bad decision is really a bad decision, it's always a part of the master plan. God approves it blah blah blah. But I do believe on some level Mayte not being able to produce children and not converting to JW had a lot with Prince wanting to be free and unattached.

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The Wise One who understood the law that was handed down from God long ago, held fast in his belief that the Lord would bring him another one who loved him so

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How do we really know becoming a JW saved his life though? We don't really know how Prince would could have rebounded afterwards.

I don’t think Mayte was trying to hold him down either. I wasn’t thinking of her necessarily when I said this. I simply believe that Prince was just so independent that I don’t know if he would’ve stayed with any one woman forever. At least not any he met in his lifetime. It’s not about cheating. Do you mean the interview where he is talking about him and Mayte each “doing their own thing” now? Prince was healing people. He did not just mentor people musically, he helped them heal their traumas or conditioning and find self-esteem. (Some Of his protégés). I have met all kinds of people who are religious. They are not all the same. I do think initially he was more outwardly enthusiastic about it which is normal. This was just his process. I don’t know that Mayte “can’t produce children”. I think she only tried with one person right? I know that this is the way that God sent Prince help at that awful time in his life. And He used Larry Graham to do it. God did that because he knew that prince would be willing to seek Him. Prince was a very special person.

Seems Prince's world-view was shaken after the death of his child. He may have felt he was being punished for his previous 'lifestyle' and may have seen LG's religious certainty as a lifeline. He sure chose one of the most dogmatic religions and perhaps he thought he needed something really stringent to reign him in.

Re: his numerous relationships; I don't recall him dating true peers; women who had achieved on his level. It must have been boring for him to be mentoring so much. A pretty, young face only goes so far...

TheTruth123 said:

TheTruth123 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

What do you mean by 'couldn't hold him down'? I don't think at all that Mayte was trying to hold him down. But in a 1999 interview where he talked about contracts and looking at another beaufiul woman but cannot do anything because of the contract. Then that is just another word for cheat.

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I don't think Prince was more in tuned with God than most people or that high up, if he was he would be laying hands on the sick and they recover lol I have a sister in law, that thinks herself like that. But it is usually her making 'God' fit into her way of thinking when she is making decisions. And no bad decision is really a bad decision, it's always a part of the master plan. God approves it blah blah blah. But I do believe on some level Mayte not being able to produce children and not converting to JW had a lot with Prince wanting to be free and unattached.

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The Wise One who understood the law that was handed down from God long ago, held fast in his belief that the Lord would bring him another one who loved him so

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How do we really know becoming a JW saved his life though? We don't really know how Prince would could have rebounded afterwards.

I don’t think Mayte was trying to hold him down either. I wasn’t thinking of her necessarily when I said this. I simply believe that Prince was just so independent that I don’t know if he would’ve stayed with any one woman forever. At least not any he met in his lifetime. It’s not about cheating. Do you mean the interview where he is talking about him and Mayte each “doing their own thing” now? Prince was healing people. He did not just mentor people musically, he helped them heal their traumas or conditioning and find self-esteem. (Some Of his protégés). I have met all kinds of people who are religious. They are not all the same. I do think initially he was more outwardly enthusiastic about it which is normal. This was just his process. I don’t know that Mayte “can’t produce children”. I think she only tried with one person right? I know that this is the way that God sent Prince help at that awful time in his life. And He used Larry Graham to do it. God did that because he knew that prince would be willing to seek Him. Prince was a very special person.

I don't know. I don't think we can ever know that. Especially as people get a little older. What was he doing that he needed to be so free, in the latter 90s and 2000s? I think if his children lived he probably would have still been married. Yeah that 2000 interview 'going back to the garden'

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Well a lot of people heal that way. But I meant healing like Jesus and the 12 apostles.

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I'm not really feeling the God sent Larry Graham thing.

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Yes Prince was special. God is no respecter of persons though so you and I are special too.

OldFriends4Sale said:

TheTruth123 said:

violetcrush said:

TheTruth123 said:

It was a rebound. He said so in rock ‘n’ roll love affair. He was traumatized by the death of his son, and because of that he acted out in ways he wouldn’t have normally. It’s very human and very normal. I’ve also believe that he believed that maybe it wasn’t meant to be. I don’t know if he was right or wrong about that. I believe that Prince was a man and a soul who was always meant to be free, unattached. You couldn’t hold him down because he was just that high with God and self. Not in a bad way either. He was independent and the more independent the closer to God he was. And let’s be clear about something (not to anyone specifically but to all): Becoming one of Jehovah’s Witnesses saved his life at that point. It was the real beginning of his spiritual journey. [Edited 9/27/19 15:04pm] [Edited 9/27/19 15:42pm]

I don’t think Rock n Roll Love Affair has anything to do with Prince’s relationship with Manuela. I think it’s a story about “young Prince” and one of his relationships - possibly Vanity or another protege. Especially the lyrics “she wanted to see her name on the big screen” and “she left her past and those lily white fences and headed out to Hollywood in search of her soul, but she had to pay the toll”... that is not Manuela’s story. * Prince remained unattached because he could not be monogamous in any relationship. He was always looking for the next female connection. It had nothing to do with God. He had several great women who loved him, but he blew it by cheating and demanding too much control.

RnRLA is about Prince's(r.i.p.) HOT romance with Andy. I can see it ALL over their faces when I saw them perform it together live & in the flesh on The Jimmy Kimmel Show(a show I was cast on before). When the cameras was off he couldn't keep his eyes off of her. Besides arranging a seperate segment recorded the SAME day with Andy and his newly formed revamped NPG band with an added horn section with Kirky J on the skins. That I don't think ever aired.

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

violetcrush said:

TheTruth123 said: I don’t think Rock n Roll Love Affair has anything to do with Prince’s relationship with Manuela. I think it’s a story about “young Prince” and one of his relationships - possibly Vanity or another protege. Especially the lyrics “she wanted to see her name on the big screen” and “she left her past and those lily white fences and headed out to Hollywood in search of her soul, but she had to pay the toll”... that is not Manuela’s story. * Prince remained unattached because he could not be monogamous in any relationship. He was always looking for the next female connection. It had nothing to do with God. He had several great women who loved him, but he blew it by cheating and demanding too much control.

RnRLA is about Prince's HOT romance with Andy. I can see it ALL over their faces when I saw them perform it together live & in the flesh on The Jimmy Kimmel Show. When the cameras was off he couldn't keep his eyes off of her. Besides arranging a seperate segment recorded the SAME day with Andy and his newly formed revamped NPG band with an added horn section with Kirky J on the skins. That I don't think ever aired.

Well, it was a "hot" romance that fizzled out pretty quickly To be expected with a 52 yr old and a 22 yr old

KoolEaze said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

George Benson met Prince in the latter 1990s.

No, they met much earlier, and George Benson gave him a signed guitar around 1995, one of his trademark Gibsons.

They had met by 1995 because they are known to have performed together in London then:

http://www.princevault.co...ch_1995-am

ChocolateBox3121 said:

violetcrush said:

TheTruth123 said: I don’t think Rock n Roll Love Affair has anything to do with Prince’s relationship with Manuela. I think it’s a story about “young Prince” and one of his relationships - possibly Vanity or another protege. Especially the lyrics “she wanted to see her name on the big screen” and “she left her past and those lily white fences and headed out to Hollywood in search of her soul, but she had to pay the toll”... that is not Manuela’s story. * Prince remained unattached because he could not be monogamous in any relationship. He was always looking for the next female connection. It had nothing to do with God. He had several great women who loved him, but he blew it by cheating and demanding too much control.

RnRLA is about Prince's(r.i.p.) HOT romance with Andy. I can see it ALL over their faces when I saw them perform it together live & in the flesh on The Jimmy Kimmel Show. When the cameras was off he couldn't keep his eyes off of her. Besides arranging a seperate segment recorded the SAME day with Andy and his newly formed revamped NPG band with an added horn section with Kirky J on the skins. That I don't think ever aired.

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I agree. I think they loved each other. She is a talented songwriter.

TheTruth123 said:

Morgaine said:

OperatingThetan said:

Prince's first JW contact was George Benson. As a JW Elder, Larry's position would not be to encourage a divorce or introduce 'other women' to Prince. In fact, quite the contrary. Mani was a fan of Prince for many years before she met him. At one time, there were even posts by her still public on prince.org. Regardless, she was not a JW when Prince met her and there's no evidence Larry knew her previously either. Neither Jehovah's Witnesses or Larry Graham (as a JW in good standing) would approve or advocate Prince or any other congregation member taking or becoming dependent, on illegal opiates sourced from the street. This may have been one reason of many Prince hid his addiction, but JWs are not directly accountable. As a group JWs are generally clean-living. Members can be disfellowshipped (expelled) from their congregation for smoking and drunkeness is not tolerated either. Whatever misgivings I may personally have regarding the tenets and doctrines of JWs, this is not one of them.

Ok first off, OP why did you start a separate thread when this was already being discussed in the other. As to the above, I agree with most of it but LGs behavior doesn't jibe with what the JWs that I know say is acceptable. What hit me as unacceptable JW behavior is LG singing the chorus (& other parts of the song) to Baby Knows. I mean the song is about hot sexy women in a club, one who has "a butt that goes 'round', her "coochie" will make him beg & turn this man, already a "dog into a hound." I don't know him. I'd guess none of us do. I would hope he didn't just use P for material gain & fame. I can't prove either. Imho the main reason for the divorce between P & Mayte began from losing two babies - over 70% of couples divorce for that very reason. Mani just happened to be there for reasons mentioned above. P is responsible for all of his actions, he was a grown a## man. I have said before that I believe if their son/later pregnancy had lived P would have had a better foundation to fall back upon. I cannot imagine, as a world famous wealthy man, how devastating it would be to have all of that at your fingertips but not be able to save your first child. And a son at that. Plus he & Mayte, whether together or no, would have continued a friendship. Say what you want about her, she obviously loved him deeply. The saddest part to me is not LG, but the loss of his/their son. Nobody ever truly recovers from that. And I really doubt people in the industry are talking about P & Mayte. Obviously LG had a huge influence on P & Mayte was not going to be a JW. P could not be a JW & married to someone who was not one also. P chose JW over his marriage - it's actually pretty simple & in keeping with his ideas about the past being in the past.

Good for her!

rlittler81 said:

Mayte's book explains this quite well.

And what does she say? Does she say anything about Larry Graham, aka "Old Sheep in Wolf's Clothing"!

langebleu said:

KoolEaze said:

No, they met much earlier, and George Benson gave him a signed guitar around 1995, one of his trademark Gibsons.

They had met by 1995 because they are known to have performed together in London then:

http://www.princevault.co...ch_1995-am

Thanks langebleu