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Reply #150 posted 10/06/19 11:44am

Morgaine

violetcrush said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:



violetcrush said:


TheTruth123 said:
Those were “starter marriages”. That’s one way you learn. And grow.

“Starter marriages”??? lol lol lol I didn’t realize there are “practice runs” for marriage biggrin * Prince was 37 when he first married. He had had several serious relationships, including an engagement (I believe the one that got away), plus a boatload of other women, and he was 43 when he married for the second time. There was no practice needed. He was plenty mature enough by his first marriage. He just was not monogamous - in any of his relationships.

That engagement just like the "other" engagement would NEVER have turned into marriage.....


What “other” engagement?? I have no doubt he regretted losing her though. SO many signs of it. And quite interesting that she was the last one he wanted to see/work with again before he passed.


I think Prince felt sadness when so many relationships didn't work out. And for as much as he spoke about not living in the past, it seems there were periods of time/people that he truly missed. Not all were exes, either. Fortunately, he was able to make amends with several of them.

I also believe there were several women who were very important to him and find it odd that so many fams feel a need to make one more important than another. Vanity. Susan, Sheila, Mayte, Mani are the ones that stand out most for hoe It's also very possible there were others the public will never know about.
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Reply #151 posted 10/06/19 11:52am

Morgaine

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Morgaine said:


Totally agree. He was never monogamous with ANY woman for any real length of time. He was smart enough to do it, he just chose not to.
And saying his two marriages were "starters" not only denegrates his wives but also speaks quite ill of him.

I do tend to think, and I’ve said this on other threads, that his first marriage was a result of the pregnancy. However, he was plenty mature enough to make it work, and he did want kids - not sure how much at that point, but he wanted kids. It’s sad that the second marriage didn’t work, because by his mid 40’s he seemed to really want kids, and was trying to get kids involved in music.


I think he was in love with Mayte and was engaged to her long before she got pregnant. Only she & Prince know whether she got pregnant before or after they were married. He was also seen wearing what would be his wedding band before they actually married.
Losing a child the way they did, the age & power differences, his inability to be faithful were all factors in the marriage ending.
I don't think he necessarily loved Mayte more, I think part of it was timing & their being friends for years before starting an intimate relationship helped him make more of a commitment to marriage.
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Reply #152 posted 10/06/19 12:00pm

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Morgaine said:

violetcrush said:
What “other” engagement?? I have no doubt he regretted losing her though. SO many signs of it. And quite interesting that she was the last one he wanted to see/work with again before he passed.
I think Prince felt sadness when so many relationships didn't work out. And for as much as he spoke about not living in the past, it seems there were periods of time/people that he truly missed. Not all were exes, either. Fortunately, he was able to make amends with several of them. I also believe there were several women who were very important to him and find it odd that so many fams feel a need to make one more important than another. Vanity. Susan, Sheila, Mayte, Mani are the ones that stand out most for hoe It's also very possible there were others the public will never know about.

Stand out most for what??? Not sure what that word is supposed to be. I think the reason that many fans do not credit Susannah for being a very important person and love in Prince's life is because he kept their relationship very private, and discussed it only in his songs. I think there were in fact some female relationships which were more important to him than others though - just like any man who has had several relationships. They mean different things and have a varying impact based upon age, time frame, events, etc. Susannah was the first to be engaged to Prince and she planned/lived in his Galpin home with him. We also know now that she continued to see him for years after she left MN. Most fans, especially the female fans, have their idea/opinion of who he may have loved the most deeply, and it was most likely more than one woman. I happen to think Susannah was in the top three, if not at the top of that list smile

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Reply #153 posted 10/06/19 12:01pm

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Morgaine said:

I think Prince felt sadness when so many relationships didn't work out. And for as much as he spoke about not living in the past, it seems there were periods of time/people that he truly missed. Not all were exes, either. Fortunately, he was able to make amends with several of them. I also believe there were several women who were very important to him and find it odd that so many fams feel a need to make one more important than another. Vanity. Susan, Sheila, Mayte, Mani are the ones that stand out most for hoe It's also very possible there were others the public will never know about.

lol lol Oh?

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Reply #154 posted 10/06/19 12:04pm

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PennyPurple said:



TheTruth123 said:


ChocolateBox3121 said:


Actually the argument Sheila had with him was about five years before Prince(r.i.p.) transitioned. He contacted her a couple of years before April 21,2016 to ask Sheila for a drum set he wanted for the museum he was turning PP into.



Jill suggested they get together soon after Denise's funeral not Prince(r.i.p.).



I think Sheila said in one of her first interviews after April 21, 2016 that she and Prince hadn’t spoken for (it was either): a year or several years. A few years later she told us they had an argument about a year prior to his passing and that she felt he was pushing her away. It definitely wasn’t 5 years prior. Jill just told us about a month ago in an interview that Prince said during the Banity funeral time that he wanted to work with her again.

Sorry, I rarely ever agree with ChocolateBox, but ChocolateBox is correct on this one.



I second. You might want to reread her responses.
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Reply #155 posted 10/06/19 12:11pm

Morgaine

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I think so too. Didn’t Mayte say in her book that he wrote a song and she knew when she heard it he was “trying to come back to her”?

I think what happened was so traumatizing that he acted oddly. Sometimes it takes people years to get back their full sanity from a situation like that and even realize what the heck happened. I think that’s exactly where he was after his divorce from Amani. Like, “Wait. Let me assess all of what went on here.” (with Mayte. Dr Funkenberry said at that point there was hope for a reconciliation between M1 & P but neither of them “could put their egos aside.”

Nah, I just don’t think that is the case. Prince had two full years after the death of the baby to deal with grief and emotions. I think he was just done with with the marriage - probably due to both his transition to JW and the love was not there for him. He recorded Strange But True in early 1999 - one year before they divorced - which is very telling with regard to what was happening at that time.
H M Buff, his Engineer at the time, said he fought to get that on the RU2TJF album. He said Prince initially didn’t want to include it, because it was so personal. The lyrics are quite blatant:
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“Okay, let me say this quick - before I start to cry
You are the only one that I gave it to, the one I fantasize for
And time away from you has taught me
What I should have known
That this hole I'm trying to fill with another yeah, it's grown
And I got your package
But when I tried to write back I bailed
See, trying to express the future, sometimes language fails
And over this time I've learned
My life force is increased by knowing you
Every door that closes, another one opens


Strange but true”
*
He was singing about an ex love - someone he was with before Mayte. But I do agree that the relationship with Manuela may have begun as a diversion for him and then progressed when she went all in with converting to JW.


I don't think grief like that ever really goes away. He lost a son. It's pretty obvious that it affected him deeply in many ways. One way is he became a JW looking for answers. I do believe LG, whether consciously or not, took advantage of Prince & seems to have acted in ways that served him/his ego more than they served P.

It's quite possible that if their son had lived, they would have stayed married. Mayte had grown up with parents who married, separated, cheated, got back together over & over & has stated she didn't see an affair as a deal breaker due to her parents' relationship.
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Reply #156 posted 10/06/19 12:11pm

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Morgaine said:

violetcrush said:
I do tend to think, and I’ve said this on other threads, that his first marriage was a result of the pregnancy. However, he was plenty mature enough to make it work, and he did want kids - not sure how much at that point, but he wanted kids. It’s sad that the second marriage didn’t work, because by his mid 40’s he seemed to really want kids, and was trying to get kids involved in music.
I think he was in love with Mayte and was engaged to her long before she got pregnant. Only she & Prince know whether she got pregnant before or after they were married. He was also seen wearing what would be his wedding band before they actually married. Losing a child the way they did, the age & power differences, his inability to be faithful were all factors in the marriage ending. I don't think he necessarily loved Mayte more, I think part of it was timing & their being friends for years before starting an intimate relationship helped him make more of a commitment to marriage.

I have a different opnion in that I think she most likely was pregnant before the marriage. Based on what he was doing and saying during interviews at that time it was clear he was focusing on his music, battle with WB, and dating various women. I think he was very unhappy during that time, and assocates who worked with him then have stated that as well. I think the pregnancy gave him something to look forward to - something positive around a lot of negativity in his world at that time. I think he was going to do the right thing and marry the woman who would be the mother of his child.

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He wrote his life into his songs. If you look at the 1995 tracklist for Emancipation there are no songs about love, marriage, or baby, however, there are several songs about lost love and wanting someone back. The songs about the marriage and baby were recorded in early 1996, and then the tracklist was changed.

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  • Fall 1995 configuration
  1. Emancipation
  2. Right Back Here In My Arms
  3. Slave
  4. (Slowly Candle Burns)
  5. 2020
  6. New World
  7. Feel Good
  8. Journey 2 The Center Of Your ♥
  9. D.J.
  10. (Excuse Me Is This) Goodbye - recorded in 1991

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Reply #157 posted 10/06/19 12:20pm

Morgaine

violetcrush said:



Morgaine said:


violetcrush said:
What “other” engagement?? I have no doubt he regretted losing her though. SO many signs of it. And quite interesting that she was the last one he wanted to see/work with again before he passed.

I think Prince felt sadness when so many relationships didn't work out. And for as much as he spoke about not living in the past, it seems there were periods of time/people that he truly missed. Not all were exes, either. Fortunately, he was able to make amends with several of them. I also believe there were several women who were very important to him and find it odd that so many fams feel a need to make one more important than another. Vanity. Susan, Sheila, Mayte, Mani are the ones that stand out most for hoe It's also very possible there were others the public will never know about.


Stand out most for what??? Not sure what that word is supposed to be. I think the reason that many fans do not credit Susannah for being a very important person and love in Prince's life is because he kept their relationship very private, and discussed it only in his songs. I think there were in fact some female relationships which were more important to him than others though - just like any man who has had several relationships. They mean different things and have a varying impact based upon age, time frame, events, etc. Susannah was the first to be engaged to Prince and she planned/lived in his Galpin home with him. We also know now that she continued to see him for years after she left MN. Most fans, especially the female fans, have their idea/opinion of who he may have loved the most deeply, and it was most likely more than one woman. I happen to think Susannah was in the top three, if not at the top of that list smile



Oops haha smile .

Those are the women I feel had the most influence on him in re to women he was intimate with.
I've no doubt Susannah was important to him based upon the songs he wrote for her. I do not think he was at a point in his life, when they were together, where he wanted to be married or have children. I think he loved her and proposed mainly because he didn't want to lose her.

As I said earlier, I don't rank his relationships in numbers or importance. Mostly because I did not know him & can only guess at his motivation, thoughts, & feelings.

Also because having loved more than one person in my life, u recognize no two relationships are the same, nor any more important than another; they were different people at different times in my life that affected me in different ways. I would guess this would be similar for most people, including P.
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Reply #158 posted 10/06/19 12:25pm

Morgaine

violetcrush said:



Morgaine said:


violetcrush said:
I do tend to think, and I’ve said this on other threads, that his first marriage was a result of the pregnancy. However, he was plenty mature enough to make it work, and he did want kids - not sure how much at that point, but he wanted kids. It’s sad that the second marriage didn’t work, because by his mid 40’s he seemed to really want kids, and was trying to get kids involved in music.

I think he was in love with Mayte and was engaged to her long before she got pregnant. Only she & Prince know whether she got pregnant before or after they were married. He was also seen wearing what would be his wedding band before they actually married. Losing a child the way they did, the age & power differences, his inability to be faithful were all factors in the marriage ending. I don't think he necessarily loved Mayte more, I think part of it was timing & their being friends for years before starting an intimate relationship helped him make more of a commitment to marriage.


I have a different opnion in that I think she most likely was pregnant before the marriage. Based on what he was doing and saying during interviews at that time it was clear he was focusing on his music, battle with WB, and dating various women. I think he was very unhappy during that time, and assocates who worked with him then have stated that as well. I think the pregnancy gave him something to look forward to - something positive around a lot of negativity in his world at that time. I think he was going to do the right thing and marry the woman who would be the mother of his child.


*


He wrote his life into his songs. If you look at the 1995 tracklist for Emancipation there are no songs about love, marriage, or baby, however, there are several songs about lost love and wanting someone back. The songs about the marriage and baby were recorded in early 1996, and then the tracklist was changed.


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  • Fall 1995 configuration

  1. Emancipation

  2. Right Back Here In My Arms

  3. Slave

  4. (Slowly Candle Burns)

  5. 2020

  6. New World

  7. Feel Good

  8. Journey 2 The Center Of Your ♥

  9. D.J.

  10. (Excuse Me Is This) Goodbye - recorded in 1991



We'll have to agree to disagree then.

Again, I've no desire to declare Mayte, or any other woman, the most important woman to him. I believe they were all important to him when he was with them for who they were.

I think if it hadn't been Mayte, he'd have found another female to marry & have babies with. He seemed to be more focused on that around that time; even Carmen talked about it. But she wanted a career more & he, as always, wasn't faithful leading to them breaking up.
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Reply #159 posted 10/06/19 12:30pm

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The Prince and Larry Graham thread has turned into a Susannah stan thread.

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Reply #160 posted 10/06/19 12:31pm

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Morgaine said:

violetcrush said:

Stand out most for what??? Not sure what that word is supposed to be. I think the reason that many fans do not credit Susannah for being a very important person and love in Prince's life is because he kept their relationship very private, and discussed it only in his songs. I think there were in fact some female relationships which were more important to him than others though - just like any man who has had several relationships. They mean different things and have a varying impact based upon age, time frame, events, etc. Susannah was the first to be engaged to Prince and she planned/lived in his Galpin home with him. We also know now that she continued to see him for years after she left MN. Most fans, especially the female fans, have their idea/opinion of who he may have loved the most deeply, and it was most likely more than one woman. I happen to think Susannah was in the top three, if not at the top of that list smile

Oops haha smile . Those are the women I feel had the most influence on him in re to women he was intimate with. I've no doubt Susannah was important to him based upon the songs he wrote for her. I do not think he was at a point in his life, when they were together, where he wanted to be married or have children. I think he loved her and proposed mainly because he didn't want to lose her. As I said earlier, I don't rank his relationships in numbers or importance. Mostly because I did not know him & can only guess at his motivation, thoughts, & feelings. Also because having loved more than one person in my life, u recognize no two relationships are the same, nor any more important than another; they were different people at different times in my life that affected me in different ways. I would guess this would be similar for most people, including P.

Yes, I agree with your thoughts/opinions here. Although, I do think that there are cases of both men and women regretting losing someone whom they loved deeply, and/or also wanting them back. We know Prince was no exception based upon the many songs he wrote about heartache, lost love and wanting someone to come back to him - although, it certainly does not mean it would have lasted. I think Susannah was a big case of "I didn't realize what I had until it was gone" for Prince. I'm sure there were some others in that category for him too. I mainly look at the songs plus other evidence that we have, and discussions with the women.

*

I agree that he would not have been ready to settle down when he was with Susannah, and she confirmed this during her interview as well. However, it's clear that he went to great lengths to try to keep her in his life - and also for many years after she left MN. I just think they had a deeper connection that went beyond the physical. I think he respected her intellect, humor, culture, and musical experiences, which would have been different from his own as a child. I think he was challenged by her, and she inspired him to write some of his most beautiful songs.

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Reply #161 posted 10/06/19 12:33pm

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The Prince and Larry Graham thread has turned into a Susannah stan thread.

eek

Oh whatever lol EVERY woman with whom he had a serious relationship has been metioned and discussed in this thread - mainly Mayte, because she was there during the Prince and Larry lovefest.

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Reply #162 posted 10/06/19 12:51pm

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Morgaine said:

violetcrush said:

I have a different opnion in that I think she most likely was pregnant before the marriage. Based on what he was doing and saying during interviews at that time it was clear he was focusing on his music, battle with WB, and dating various women. I think he was very unhappy during that time, and assocates who worked with him then have stated that as well. I think the pregnancy gave him something to look forward to - something positive around a lot of negativity in his world at that time. I think he was going to do the right thing and marry the woman who would be the mother of his child.

*

He wrote his life into his songs. If you look at the 1995 tracklist for Emancipation there are no songs about love, marriage, or baby, however, there are several songs about lost love and wanting someone back. The songs about the marriage and baby were recorded in early 1996, and then the tracklist was changed.

*

  • Fall 1995 configuration
  1. Emancipation
  2. Right Back Here In My Arms
  3. Slave
  4. (Slowly Candle Burns)
  5. 2020
  6. New World
  7. Feel Good
  8. Journey 2 The Center Of Your ♥
  9. D.J.
  10. (Excuse Me Is This) Goodbye - recorded in 1991

We'll have to agree to disagree then. Again, I've no desire to declare Mayte, or any other woman, the most important woman to him. I believe they were all important to him when he was with them for who they were. I think if it hadn't been Mayte, he'd have found another female to marry & have babies with. He seemed to be more focused on that around that time; even Carmen talked about it. But she wanted a career more & he, as always, wasn't faithful leading to them breaking up.

If ANY relationship that Prince(r.i.p.) has had is brought up. U CAN BEST BELIEVE! That person is going to add and bring up Susannah as the TOP CHOICE in their universe and the WHOLE thread is going to turn into her thread. That person wouldn't have it ANY other way & U will NEVER win when it's concerning her.

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Reply #163 posted 10/06/19 12:51pm

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violetcrush said:

Yes, I agree with your thoughts/opinions here. Although, I do think that there are cases of both men and women regretting losing someone whom they loved deeply, and/or also wanting them back. We know Prince was no exception based upon the many songs he wrote about heartache, lost love and wanting someone to come back to him - although, it certainly does not mean it would have lasted. I think Susannah was a big case of "I didn't realize what I had until it was gone" for Prince. I'm sure there were some others in that category for him too. I mainly look at the songs plus other evidence that we have, and discussions with the women.

*

I agree that he would not have been ready to settle down when he was with Susannah, and she confirmed this during her interview as well. However, it's clear that he went to great lengths to try to keep her in his life - and also for many years after she left MN. I just think they had a deeper connection that went beyond the physical. I think he respected her intellect, humor, culture, and musical experiences, which would have been different from his own as a child. I think he was challenged by her, and she inspired him to write some of his most beautiful songs.

^^^^THIS IS HOGWASH!

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Reply #164 posted 10/06/19 12:54pm

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



violetcrush said:






Yes, I agree with your thoughts/opinions here. Although, I do think that there are cases of both men and women regretting losing someone whom they loved deeply, and/or also wanting them back. We know Prince was no exception based upon the many songs he wrote about heartache, lost love and wanting someone to come back to him - although, it certainly does not mean it would have lasted. I think Susannah was a big case of "I didn't realize what I had until it was gone" for Prince. I'm sure there were some others in that category for him too. I mainly look at the songs plus other evidence that we have, and discussions with the women.


*


I agree that he would not have been ready to settle down when he was with Susannah, and she confirmed this during her interview as well. However, it's clear that he went to great lengths to try to keep her in his life - and also for many years after she left MN. I just think they had a deeper connection that went beyond the physical. I think he respected her intellect, humor, culture, and musical experiences, which would have been different from his own as a child. I think he was challenged by her, and she inspired him to write some of his most beautiful songs.




^^^^THIS IS HOGWASH!


lol lol lol
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Reply #165 posted 10/06/19 12:54pm

Morgaine

violetcrush said:



Morgaine said:


violetcrush said:



Stand out most for what??? Not sure what that word is supposed to be. I think the reason that many fans do not credit Susannah for being a very important person and love in Prince's life is because he kept their relationship very private, and discussed it only in his songs. I think there were in fact some female relationships which were more important to him than others though - just like any man who has had several relationships. They mean different things and have a varying impact based upon age, time frame, events, etc. Susannah was the first to be engaged to Prince and she planned/lived in his Galpin home with him. We also know now that she continued to see him for years after she left MN. Most fans, especially the female fans, have their idea/opinion of who he may have loved the most deeply, and it was most likely more than one woman. I happen to think Susannah was in the top three, if not at the top of that list smile



Oops haha smile . Those are the women I feel had the most influence on him in re to women he was intimate with. I've no doubt Susannah was important to him based upon the songs he wrote for her. I do not think he was at a point in his life, when they were together, where he wanted to be married or have children. I think he loved her and proposed mainly because he didn't want to lose her. As I said earlier, I don't rank his relationships in numbers or importance. Mostly because I did not know him & can only guess at his motivation, thoughts, & feelings. Also because having loved more than one person in my life, u recognize no two relationships are the same, nor any more important than another; they were different people at different times in my life that affected me in different ways. I would guess this would be similar for most people, including P.


Yes, I agree with your thoughts/opinions here. Although, I do think that there are cases of both men and women regretting losing someone whom they loved deeply, and/or also wanting them back. We know Prince was no exception based upon the many songs he wrote about heartache, lost love and wanting someone to come back to him - although, it certainly does not mean it would have lasted. I think Susannah was a big case of "I didn't realize what I had until it was gone" for Prince. I'm sure there were some others in that category for him too. I mainly look at the songs plus other evidence that we have, and discussions with the women.


*


I agree that he would not have been ready to settle down when he was with Susannah, and she confirmed this during her interview as well. However, it's clear that he went to great lengths to try to keep her in his life - and also for many years after she left MN. I just think they had a deeper connection that went beyond the physical. I think he respected her intellect, humor, culture, and musical experiences, which would have been different from his own as a child. I think he was challenged by her, and she inspired him to write some of his most beautiful songs.



I think P went to great lengths for many people, male & female.

Yes, I believe Susannah was very important to him. I also believe Vanity was extremely important to him as well, as was Mayte, Mani, Shelia, etc. I believe they all challenged him in various ways. With the loss of their son & subsequent miscarriage, it's not surprising to me he wanted to forget Mayte as he'd have likely been reminded of his deceased son with her.
It's truly, imho, unfair to compare his relationships with women. It pits female vs female & I so abhor that part of patriarchy. Suffice to say they were all important to him at various times - it's unnecessary to make one woman #1.
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Reply #166 posted 10/06/19 1:00pm

violetcrush

ChocolateBox3121 said:



Morgaine said:


violetcrush said:



I have a different opnion in that I think she most likely was pregnant before the marriage. Based on what he was doing and saying during interviews at that time it was clear he was focusing on his music, battle with WB, and dating various women. I think he was very unhappy during that time, and assocates who worked with him then have stated that as well. I think the pregnancy gave him something to look forward to - something positive around a lot of negativity in his world at that time. I think he was going to do the right thing and marry the woman who would be the mother of his child.


*


He wrote his life into his songs. If you look at the 1995 tracklist for Emancipation there are no songs about love, marriage, or baby, however, there are several songs about lost love and wanting someone back. The songs about the marriage and baby were recorded in early 1996, and then the tracklist was changed.


*


  • Fall 1995 configuration

  1. Emancipation

  2. Right Back Here In My Arms

  3. Slave

  4. (Slowly Candle Burns)

  5. 2020

  6. New World

  7. Feel Good

  8. Journey 2 The Center Of Your ♥

  9. D.J.

  10. (Excuse Me Is This) Goodbye - recorded in 1991



We'll have to agree to disagree then. Again, I've no desire to declare Mayte, or any other woman, the most important woman to him. I believe they were all important to him when he was with them for who they were. I think if it hadn't been Mayte, he'd have found another female to marry & have babies with. He seemed to be more focused on that around that time; even Carmen talked about it. But she wanted a career more & he, as always, wasn't faithful leading to them breaking up.

If ANY relationship that Prince(r.i.p.) has had is brought up. U CAN BEST BELIEVE! That person is going to add and bring up Susannah as the TOP CHOICE in their universe and the WHOLE thread is going to turn into her thread. That person wouldn't have it ANY other way & U will NEVER win when it's concerning her.


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Hey ChocoBox, can I borrow your “Pot meet Kettle” gif for this post??!! Wait, didn’t you forget to add that when Prince invited you to PP for your own personal concert he told you that Susannah actually meant nothing to him and his songs Empty Room, Forever In My Life, IIWYG, Adore, Come Home, and ITBIS were actually all written for YOU?!!! eek cool lol
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Reply #167 posted 10/06/19 1:02pm

Morgaine

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



violetcrush said:






Yes, I agree with your thoughts/opinions here. Although, I do think that there are cases of both men and women regretting losing someone whom they loved deeply, and/or also wanting them back. We know Prince was no exception based upon the many songs he wrote about heartache, lost love and wanting someone to come back to him - although, it certainly does not mean it would have lasted. I think Susannah was a big case of "I didn't realize what I had until it was gone" for Prince. I'm sure there were some others in that category for him too. I mainly look at the songs plus other evidence that we have, and discussions with the women.


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I agree that he would not have been ready to settle down when he was with Susannah, and she confirmed this during her interview as well. However, it's clear that he went to great lengths to try to keep her in his life - and also for many years after she left MN. I just think they had a deeper connection that went beyond the physical. I think he respected her intellect, humor, culture, and musical experiences, which would have been different from his own as a child. I think he was challenged by her, and she inspired him to write some of his most beautiful songs.




^^^^THIS IS HOGWASH!


lol lol lol


It's an opinion. Which is ok. We all have them. It would be nice if it was stated as an opinion as the fact is NONE OF US is Prince & can say exactly what he thought or felt.
Imho we'd do better just saying they all had their place in his life & that we're grateful for the music which is really why we're all here.
Hopefully wink
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Reply #168 posted 10/06/19 1:06pm

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Morgaine said:

violetcrush said:



Morgaine said:


violetcrush said:



Stand out most for what??? Not sure what that word is supposed to be. I think the reason that many fans do not credit Susannah for being a very important person and love in Prince's life is because he kept their relationship very private, and discussed it only in his songs. I think there were in fact some female relationships which were more important to him than others though - just like any man who has had several relationships. They mean different things and have a varying impact based upon age, time frame, events, etc. Susannah was the first to be engaged to Prince and she planned/lived in his Galpin home with him. We also know now that she continued to see him for years after she left MN. Most fans, especially the female fans, have their idea/opinion of who he may have loved the most deeply, and it was most likely more than one woman. I happen to think Susannah was in the top three, if not at the top of that list smile



Oops haha smile . Those are the women I feel had the most influence on him in re to women he was intimate with. I've no doubt Susannah was important to him based upon the songs he wrote for her. I do not think he was at a point in his life, when they were together, where he wanted to be married or have children. I think he loved her and proposed mainly because he didn't want to lose her. As I said earlier, I don't rank his relationships in numbers or importance. Mostly because I did not know him & can only guess at his motivation, thoughts, & feelings. Also because having loved more than one person in my life, u recognize no two relationships are the same, nor any more important than another; they were different people at different times in my life that affected me in different ways. I would guess this would be similar for most people, including P.


Yes, I agree with your thoughts/opinions here. Although, I do think that there are cases of both men and women regretting losing someone whom they loved deeply, and/or also wanting them back. We know Prince was no exception based upon the many songs he wrote about heartache, lost love and wanting someone to come back to him - although, it certainly does not mean it would have lasted. I think Susannah was a big case of "I didn't realize what I had until it was gone" for Prince. I'm sure there were some others in that category for him too. I mainly look at the songs plus other evidence that we have, and discussions with the women.


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I agree that he would not have been ready to settle down when he was with Susannah, and she confirmed this during her interview as well. However, it's clear that he went to great lengths to try to keep her in his life - and also for many years after she left MN. I just think they had a deeper connection that went beyond the physical. I think he respected her intellect, humor, culture, and musical experiences, which would have been different from his own as a child. I think he was challenged by her, and she inspired him to write some of his most beautiful songs.



I think P went to great lengths for many people, male & female.

Yes, I believe Susannah was very important to him. I also believe Vanity was extremely important to him as well, as was Mayte, Mani, Shelia, etc. I believe they all challenged him in various ways. With the loss of their son & subsequent miscarriage, it's not surprising to me he wanted to forget Mayte as he'd have likely been reminded of his deceased son with her.
It's truly, imho, unfair to compare his relationships with women. It pits female vs female & I so abhor that part of patriarchy. Suffice to say they were all important to him at various times - it's unnecessary to make one woman #1.

I agree with your thoughts. One of the main reasons I tend to think that Susannah was very significant in his life is that he stayed in touch with her until the end. Even just prior to his death he had reached out to her. I think she was important to him as a lover and then later as a friend.
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Reply #170 posted 10/06/19 1:07pm

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lol There is just no stopping it.....

A MASK ISN'T TOO MUCH TO ASK!!
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Reply #171 posted 10/06/19 1:14pm

violetcrush

Morgaine said:

violetcrush said:


lol lol lol


It's an opinion. Which is ok. We all have them. It would be nice if it was stated as an opinion as the fact is NONE OF US is Prince & can say exactly what he thought or felt.
Imho we'd do better just saying they all had their place in his life & that we're grateful for the music which is really why we're all here.
Hopefully wink

I just think some of the responses are pretty hilarious when it comes to certain women who we all KNOW were a significant part of Prince’s life, but some just can’t admit to that fact. How many times, other than the songs he wrote for the first marriage and baby, did Prince publicly state that he wrote a love song for a certain woman? He did so in 1996 with ITBIS and in 1997 with FIML. So, I would say that is pretty significant.
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I do agree with you that others were also significant in his life - not male friends and female love interests.
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Reply #172 posted 10/06/19 1:14pm

TheTruth123

violetcrush said:

Morgaine said:



I think P went to great lengths for many people, male & female.

Yes, I believe Susannah was very important to him. I also believe Vanity was extremely important to him as well, as was Mayte, Mani, Shelia, etc. I believe they all challenged him in various ways. With the loss of their son & subsequent miscarriage, it's not surprising to me he wanted to forget Mayte as he'd have likely been reminded of his deceased son with her.
It's truly, imho, unfair to compare his relationships with women. It pits female vs female & I so abhor that part of patriarchy. Suffice to say they were all important to him at various times - it's unnecessary to make one woman #1.

I agree with your thoughts. One of the main reasons I tend to think that Susannah was very significant in his life is that he stayed in touch with her until the end. Even just prior to his death he had reached out to her. I think she was important to him as a lover and then later as a friend.


I believe that Susannah, Wendy and Lisa were always important to him.
They could push his buttons like only a family can, and vice-versa.
Prince stayed in MN and didn’t forget his friends, nor those in his musical families.
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Reply #173 posted 10/06/19 1:18pm

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Was just listening to Revelation again. It does sound as though it’s for Mayte or someone from the past. Really could be Susannah too. A love that was ...”Buried deep in the ocean” DEEP in the ocean.
Wonder who it could be for.
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Reply #174 posted 10/06/19 1:19pm

TheTruth123

Morgaine said:

mELdOURADOsELVAGEM said:


He shouldn't have used her, I always felt it was wrong. It's the principle.


You think Prince used Andy? I think he mentored many females & most of the time, the "using" was mutual.


No. I am contemplating today actually that he might’ve found himself in an obsession and didn’t feel it was right so he ended it.
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Reply #175 posted 10/06/19 1:19pm

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https://prince.org/msg/5/432850


Aww, come on!! When Prince first met Mayte he was publicly with a plethora of women, and continued to be through the early to mid 90’s!! Lori Elle, Carmen, Robin P, Troy Beyer, Nona Gaye, the woman in the Insatiable video, etc etc.
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He was as ready to settle down as a Gigolo in his prime biggrin
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He never changed regardless of his age.
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Reply #176 posted 10/06/19 1:20pm

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I think what is significant is that you turn every thread you post in, into a thread about Susannah, just like you use to do about Andy.

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Reply #177 posted 10/06/19 1:22pm

violetcrush

TheTruth123 said:

violetcrush said:


I agree with your thoughts. One of the main reasons I tend to think that Susannah was very significant in his life is that he stayed in touch with her until the end. Even just prior to his death he had reached out to her. I think she was important to him as a lover and then later as a friend.


I believe that Susannah, Wendy and Lisa were always important to him.
They could push his buttons like only a family can, and vice-versa.
Prince stayed in MN and didn’t forget his friends, nor those in his musical families.

YEP!!! I think you are 100% correct. Prince also continued to perform with both Wendy and Lisa throughout the years, and his comments about them at his first P&M show were sweet and touching. He loved them.
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Reply #178 posted 10/06/19 1:23pm

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lol There is just no stopping it.....




Apparently, we either have Fly version 2: Susannah or someone who is a major ST (stalker) fAN (fan). Yep, a stan. And some of them are completely sold on their own ideas of Prince and who was important to him. Here's a newsflash: they were ALL important to him....and conversely, NONE of them were important enough for a lasting committment. nod lol lol

And that is the truth. nod

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Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #179 posted 10/06/19 1:25pm

Morgaine

violetcrush said:

Morgaine said:



I think P went to great lengths for many people, male & female.

Yes, I believe Susannah was very important to him. I also believe Vanity was extremely important to him as well, as was Mayte, Mani, Shelia, etc. I believe they all challenged him in various ways. With the loss of their son & subsequent miscarriage, it's not surprising to me he wanted to forget Mayte as he'd have likely been reminded of his deceased son with her.
It's truly, imho, unfair to compare his relationships with women. It pits female vs female & I so abhor that part of patriarchy. Suffice to say they were all important to him at various times - it's unnecessary to make one woman #1.

I agree with your thoughts. One of the main reasons I tend to think that Susannah was very significant in his life is that he stayed in touch with her until the end. Even just prior to his death he had reached out to her. I think she was important to him as a lover and then later as a friend.


I'd agree that's possible however, just because he didn't keep in contact with others does not mean they meant nothing or less to him.

It's not surprising to me that he had little to do with Mayte after as she likely reminded him of his son. I've known many people who avoid others for similar reasons.

We know he kept in contact with Denies for many years & they were very similar in many ways. She was hugely important to him as evidenced by his public statements in concert after she passed.

None of us is Prince, so there's no way to know for sure.
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