violetcrush said:

violetcrush said:

Morgaine said:

violetcrush said:

What “other” engagement?? I have no doubt he regretted losing her though. SO many signs of it. And quite interesting that she was the last one he wanted to see/work with again before he passed.

I think Prince felt sadness when so many relationships didn't work out. And for as much as he spoke about not living in the past, it seems there were periods of time/people that he truly missed. Not all were exes, either. Fortunately, he was able to make amends with several of them. I also believe there were several women who were very important to him and find it odd that so many fams feel a need to make one more important than another. Vanity. Susan, Sheila, Mayte, Mani are the ones that stand out most for hoe It's also very possible there were others the public will never know about.

Stand out most for what??? Not sure what that word is supposed to be. I think the reason that many fans do not credit Susannah for being a very important person and love in Prince's life is because he kept their relationship very private, and discussed it only in his songs. I think there were in fact some female relationships which were more important to him than others though - just like any man who has had several relationships. They mean different things and have a varying impact based upon age, time frame, events, etc. Susannah was the first to be engaged to Prince and she planned/lived in his Galpin home with him. We also know now that she continued to see him for years after she left MN. Most fans, especially the female fans, have their idea/opinion of who he may have loved the most deeply, and it was most likely more than one woman. I happen to think Susannah was in the top three, if not at the top of that list

Morgaine said:

I think Prince felt sadness when so many relationships didn't work out. And for as much as he spoke about not living in the past, it seems there were periods of time/people that he truly missed. Not all were exes, either. Fortunately, he was able to make amends with several of them. I also believe there were several women who were very important to him and find it odd that so many fams feel a need to make one more important than another. Vanity. Susan, Sheila, Mayte, Mani are the ones that stand out most for hoe It's also very possible there were others the public will never know about.

Oh?

PennyPurple said:

violetcrush said:

Morgaine said:

violetcrush said:

I do tend to think, and I’ve said this on other threads, that his first marriage was a result of the pregnancy. However, he was plenty mature enough to make it work, and he did want kids - not sure how much at that point, but he wanted kids. It’s sad that the second marriage didn’t work, because by his mid 40’s he seemed to really want kids, and was trying to get kids involved in music.

I think he was in love with Mayte and was engaged to her long before she got pregnant. Only she & Prince know whether she got pregnant before or after they were married. He was also seen wearing what would be his wedding band before they actually married. Losing a child the way they did, the age & power differences, his inability to be faithful were all factors in the marriage ending. I don't think he necessarily loved Mayte more, I think part of it was timing & their being friends for years before starting an intimate relationship helped him make more of a commitment to marriage.

I have a different opnion in that I think she most likely was pregnant before the marriage. Based on what he was doing and saying during interviews at that time it was clear he was focusing on his music, battle with WB, and dating various women. I think he was very unhappy during that time, and assocates who worked with him then have stated that as well. I think the pregnancy gave him something to look forward to - something positive around a lot of negativity in his world at that time. I think he was going to do the right thing and marry the woman who would be the mother of his child.

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He wrote his life into his songs. If you look at the 1995 tracklist for Emancipation there are no songs about love, marriage, or baby, however, there are several songs about lost love and wanting someone back. The songs about the marriage and baby were recorded in early 1996, and then the tracklist was changed.

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• Fall 1995 configuration

1. Emancipation
2. Right Back Here In My Arms
3. Slave
4. (Slowly Candle Burns)
5. 2020
6. New World
7. Feel Good
8. Journey 2 The Center Of Your ♥
9. D.J.
10. (Excuse Me Is This) Goodbye - recorded in 1991

violetcrush said:

violetcrush said:

The Prince and Larry Graham thread has turned into a Susannah stan thread.

Morgaine said:

violetcrush said:

Stand out most for what??? Not sure what that word is supposed to be. I think the reason that many fans do not credit Susannah for being a very important person and love in Prince's life is because he kept their relationship very private, and discussed it only in his songs. I think there were in fact some female relationships which were more important to him than others though - just like any man who has had several relationships. They mean different things and have a varying impact based upon age, time frame, events, etc. Susannah was the first to be engaged to Prince and she planned/lived in his Galpin home with him. We also know now that she continued to see him for years after she left MN. Most fans, especially the female fans, have their idea/opinion of who he may have loved the most deeply, and it was most likely more than one woman. I happen to think Susannah was in the top three, if not at the top of that list

Oops haha . Those are the women I feel had the most influence on him in re to women he was intimate with. I've no doubt Susannah was important to him based upon the songs he wrote for her. I do not think he was at a point in his life, when they were together, where he wanted to be married or have children. I think he loved her and proposed mainly because he didn't want to lose her. As I said earlier, I don't rank his relationships in numbers or importance. Mostly because I did not know him & can only guess at his motivation, thoughts, & feelings. Also because having loved more than one person in my life, u recognize no two relationships are the same, nor any more important than another; they were different people at different times in my life that affected me in different ways. I would guess this would be similar for most people, including P.

Yes, I agree with your thoughts/opinions here. Although, I do think that there are cases of both men and women regretting losing someone whom they loved deeply, and/or also wanting them back. We know Prince was no exception based upon the many songs he wrote about heartache, lost love and wanting someone to come back to him - although, it certainly does not mean it would have lasted. I think Susannah was a big case of "I didn't realize what I had until it was gone" for Prince. I'm sure there were some others in that category for him too. I mainly look at the songs plus other evidence that we have, and discussions with the women.

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I agree that he would not have been ready to settle down when he was with Susannah, and she confirmed this during her interview as well. However, it's clear that he went to great lengths to try to keep her in his life - and also for many years after she left MN. I just think they had a deeper connection that went beyond the physical. I think he respected her intellect, humor, culture, and musical experiences, which would have been different from his own as a child. I think he was challenged by her, and she inspired him to write some of his most beautiful songs.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The Prince and Larry Graham thread has turned into a Susannah stan thread.

Oh whatever EVERY woman with whom he had a serious relationship has been metioned and discussed in this thread - mainly Mayte, because she was there during the Prince and Larry lovefest.

Morgaine said:

violetcrush said:

I have a different opnion in that I think she most likely was pregnant before the marriage. Based on what he was doing and saying during interviews at that time it was clear he was focusing on his music, battle with WB, and dating various women. I think he was very unhappy during that time, and assocates who worked with him then have stated that as well. I think the pregnancy gave him something to look forward to - something positive around a lot of negativity in his world at that time. I think he was going to do the right thing and marry the woman who would be the mother of his child.

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He wrote his life into his songs. If you look at the 1995 tracklist for Emancipation there are no songs about love, marriage, or baby, however, there are several songs about lost love and wanting someone back. The songs about the marriage and baby were recorded in early 1996, and then the tracklist was changed.

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• Fall 1995 configuration

1. Emancipation
2. Right Back Here In My Arms
3. Slave
4. (Slowly Candle Burns)
5. 2020
6. New World
7. Feel Good
8. Journey 2 The Center Of Your ♥
9. D.J.
10. (Excuse Me Is This) Goodbye - recorded in 1991

We'll have to agree to disagree then. Again, I've no desire to declare Mayte, or any other woman, the most important woman to him. I believe they were all important to him when he was with them for who they were. I think if it hadn't been Mayte, he'd have found another female to marry & have babies with. He seemed to be more focused on that around that time; even Carmen talked about it. But she wanted a career more & he, as always, wasn't faithful leading to them breaking up.

If ANY relationship that Prince(r.i.p.) has had is brought up. U CAN BEST BELIEVE! That person is going to add and bring up Susannah as the TOP CHOICE in their universe and the WHOLE thread is going to turn into her thread. That person wouldn't have it ANY other way & U will NEVER win when it's concerning her.

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violetcrush said:

Yes, I agree with your thoughts/opinions here. Although, I do think that there are cases of both men and women regretting losing someone whom they loved deeply, and/or also wanting them back. We know Prince was no exception based upon the many songs he wrote about heartache, lost love and wanting someone to come back to him - although, it certainly does not mean it would have lasted. I think Susannah was a big case of "I didn't realize what I had until it was gone" for Prince. I'm sure there were some others in that category for him too. I mainly look at the songs plus other evidence that we have, and discussions with the women.

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I agree that he would not have been ready to settle down when he was with Susannah, and she confirmed this during her interview as well. However, it's clear that he went to great lengths to try to keep her in his life - and also for many years after she left MN. I just think they had a deeper connection that went beyond the physical. I think he respected her intellect, humor, culture, and musical experiences, which would have been different from his own as a child. I think he was challenged by her, and she inspired him to write some of his most beautiful songs.

^^^^THIS IS HOGWASH!

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

violetcrush said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

violetcrush said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, I agree with your thoughts/opinions here. Although, I do think that there are cases of both men and women regretting losing someone whom they loved deeply, and/or also wanting them back. We know Prince was no exception based upon the many songs he wrote about heartache, lost love and wanting someone to come back to him - although, it certainly does not mean it would have lasted. I think Susannah was a big case of "I didn't realize what I had until it was gone" for Prince. I'm sure there were some others in that category for him too. I mainly look at the songs plus other evidence that we have, and discussions with the women.

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I agree that he would not have been ready to settle down when he was with Susannah, and she confirmed this during her interview as well. However, it's clear that he went to great lengths to try to keep her in his life - and also for many years after she left MN. I just think they had a deeper connection that went beyond the physical. I think he respected her intellect, humor, culture, and musical experiences, which would have been different from his own as a child. I think he was challenged by her, and she inspired him to write some of his most beautiful songs.

^^^^THIS IS HOGWASH!

Morgaine said:

There is just no stopping it.....

Morgaine said:

violetcrush said:

It's an opinion. Which is ok. We all have them. It would be nice if it was stated as an opinion as the fact is NONE OF US is Prince & can say exactly what he thought or felt.
Imho we'd do better just saying they all had their place in his life & that we're grateful for the music which is really why we're all here.
Hopefully

violetcrush said:

Morgaine said:

TheTruth123 said:

I think what is significant is that you turn every thread you post in, into a thread about Susannah, just like you use to do about Andy.

TheTruth123 said:

PennyPurple said:

There is just no stopping it.....

Apparently, we either have Fly version 2: Susannah or someone who is a major ST (stalker) fAN (fan). Yep, a stan. And some of them are completely sold on their own ideas of Prince and who was important to him. Here's a newsflash: they were ALL important to him....and conversely, NONE of them were important enough for a lasting committment.

And that is the truth.

[Edited 10/6/19 13:24pm]

violetcrush said: